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Re: Chapter 47: Discussion
« Reply #60 on: December 28, 2016, 12:23:43 pm »
You can vote here in this thread!  Which do you like better?  Sexy Xmas, or Relaxing Xmas?

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Re: Chapter 47: Discussion
« Reply #61 on: December 28, 2016, 02:26:26 pm »
Relaxing Xmas ::)

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Re: Chapter 47: Discussion
« Reply #62 on: December 28, 2016, 03:13:37 pm »
Relaxing. (Sorry, Maytag!) :)

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Re: Chapter 47: Discussion
« Reply #63 on: December 28, 2016, 04:37:16 pm »
Relaxing has my vote. I sorta just wanna see everyone calm and happy with no worries weighing them down for once. Just a cute Christmas scene that'll trick me into thinking that nothing is wrong yeah

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Re: Chapter 47: Discussion
« Reply #64 on: December 28, 2016, 05:03:18 pm »
Relaxing. Cocoa!  :-*
"この世界の悪があれば本当に、それは人類の心の内にあります."
(Truly, if there is evil in this world, it lies within the heart of mankind)
—Edward D. Morrison

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Re: Chapter 47: Discussion
« Reply #65 on: December 28, 2016, 05:07:08 pm »
Relaxing Xmas.

Now I want some hot cocoa.

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Re: Chapter 47: Discussion
« Reply #66 on: December 28, 2016, 05:16:19 pm »
Relaxing, in sexy outfits.  Why not have both.

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Re: Chapter 47: Discussion
« Reply #67 on: December 28, 2016, 06:03:26 pm »
Relaxing Xmas!

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Re: Chapter 47: Discussion
« Reply #68 on: December 28, 2016, 07:05:19 pm »
Relaxing. I have enough of the other kind elsewhere.

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Re: Chapter 47: Discussion
« Reply #69 on: December 29, 2016, 01:07:27 am »
Sexy!

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Re: Chapter 47: Discussion
« Reply #70 on: December 29, 2016, 02:00:44 am »
Wow.  What a bunch of wet blankets! lol! Sexy!
"...no amount of force can control a free man, a man whose mind is free.  No, not the rack, not fission bombs, not anything - you can't conquer a free man; the most you can do is Kill him." - Robert A. Heinlein


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Re: Chapter 47: Discussion
« Reply #71 on: December 29, 2016, 02:40:22 am »
That's not exclusive.
Relax with your sexy dressed partner in your arms.

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Re: Chapter 47: Discussion
« Reply #72 on: December 29, 2016, 08:35:34 am »
Relaxing FTW, sorry Maytag ;)

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Re: Chapter 47: Discussion
« Reply #73 on: December 30, 2016, 05:59:11 am »
sexy and relaxing for me. Go Maytag

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Re: Chapter 47: Discussion
« Reply #74 on: December 30, 2016, 06:13:20 am »
Relaxing (but it can have a bit of sexy to it)...but mostly relaxing.

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Re: Chapter 47: Discussion
« Reply #75 on: December 30, 2016, 09:46:53 am »
Relaxing Christmas, sexy new year's eve  ;)

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Re: Chapter 47: Discussion
« Reply #76 on: December 30, 2016, 03:35:33 pm »
I shall go for sexy cocoa.

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« Reply #77 on: December 30, 2016, 09:56:22 pm »
I would have to go with sexy.  :)

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Re: Chapter 47: Discussion
« Reply #78 on: December 31, 2016, 01:27:53 am »
SEXY!!!

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Re: Chapter 47: Discussion
« Reply #79 on: December 31, 2016, 07:32:36 am »
I've always had relaxing x-masses so a sexy one would be a nice change of pace. unfortunately i have no one to do it with.
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Re: Chapter 47: Discussion
« Reply #80 on: January 03, 2017, 05:51:54 am »
Maytag's got your number, jack. I'm sure of it. That look she gave you confirms it to me. She suspects something...

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Re: Chapter 47: Discussion
« Reply #81 on: January 05, 2017, 04:17:24 pm »
Yeah... this is one twisted sick bitch! She likes hurting people, oh she calls it experimenting... but the real truth is she likes to make people as twisted as she is and enjoys the anguish it causes them.
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Re: Chapter 47: Discussion
« Reply #82 on: January 06, 2017, 12:15:03 pm »
I don't get it. She heard that this is a deathwish, she does want to see Bern again, and she got money to fund her dream. Why bring a knife? Unless, maybe she intends to kill fake Bern?
"この世界の悪があれば本当に、それは人類の心の内にあります."
(Truly, if there is evil in this world, it lies within the heart of mankind)
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Re: Chapter 47: Discussion
« Reply #83 on: January 08, 2017, 07:34:03 am »
One must try to remember... Maytag, is if not clinically at least by her own admission a border - line sociopath'?'... I'm not sure if that is the proper term in our medical diagnosis... but she does not relate to others and does not empathize with them... but she has become very proficient at acting like she does. Hence, Crest ' s issues in trusting her.  So I've felt for a while that Maytag if not aware of something about the dark room that know one else has suspected she has a working theory that she had always considered trying knowing it would likely work.... but has been reluctant to do so as she must 'lower' her mask of empathy to do so.  Which is why I suspect she just recently started questioning Lehm... because she is very close to solving the dark room and she was fishing to try to discern if Lehm was 'appropriate/worthy ~ perhaps' for her to give him what he wants.

Bottom line is Maytag is not truly mentally opporating on the same social perception of most sane poeple.  That is not to say she is insane... but that our definitions of 'sane rational' behavior do not apply to her.  Maytag is a highly functioning perhaps EXTREME case of Ausberker ' s  (sp?) autism.  She is dangerous... as any reasoning being can be, but she is not irrational or unpredictability dangerous which IS the thing society needs to be watchful for in the case of dangerous sociopaths. 
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Re: Chapter 47: Discussion
« Reply #84 on: January 09, 2017, 07:32:57 am »
The problem with her analysis is that it is based on her deepest fears.

Lemme put it this way. There are about three or four conditions that have "lack of empathy" as a key component.

  • Borderline Personality Disorder (These types of people are the ones that we see getting into abusive and unstable relationships)
  • Sociopathy/Psychopathy (A high-functioning sociopath might go into business or politics, where a straight up psychopath are likely to lie and cheat and kill)
  • Autism/Asperger's (largely because they are out of touch with normal feelings)
  • Schizophrenia (largely because they are out of touch)
  • Schizoid (they have a mask-like personality, where they cannot typically show their feelings. )

I think I answered my own question. Maytag is testing herself. She knows she isn't depressed enough, even in despair, to kill herself. But the deeper despair, below the one consciously tested by Bern's rejection, is "am I the sort of person who would hurt my loved ones? Is this why Bern hates me?"

I think this is actually key. Realizing that what Crazy Psycho Lady said is definitely not true, means she isn't the person she fears. Which is the real fear (this has both a conscious and subconscious fear, the latter gives bite to the former, making it impossible to pass). 

She is probably an Aspie or a Schizoid, not a Sociopath or Borderline.
"この世界の悪があれば本当に、それは人類の心の内にあります."
(Truly, if there is evil in this world, it lies within the heart of mankind)
—Edward D. Morrison

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Re: Chapter 47: Discussion
« Reply #85 on: January 10, 2017, 06:37:32 am »
I highly doubt she has Asperger's. She seems to be an expert at reading people's feelings and motives. Someone on the spectrum, even high functioning, would probably be unable to master such skills (hell even for normal people it's difficult). I dont think shes a psychopath either, she was confronted by phase 3 like everyone else, the feelings she has for Bern are real, and plus she is not malevolent, seems to be the contrary. I had a different feeling about what she's doing, like she sensed something fishy is going on (hopefully) and the idea is to be rescued.. idk

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Re: Chapter 47: Discussion
« Reply #86 on: January 11, 2017, 02:24:33 pm »
I was mainly listing available disorders that had a chance. Of these:

  • Borderline Personality Disorder, she seems too emotionally stable
  • Sociopathy/Psychopathy, as you say her emotions are real, and she seems to lack the sort of malice Crazy Psycho Lady has
  • Autism/Asperger, maybe you're right.
  • Schizophrenia, she is entirely too grounded, no delusions.

Honestly, I don't think she would go this far in, wanting to be rescued. This is an experiment. She wants to find out who she is.

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The one time we legitimately see May lose her cool. This is key to her subconsciousness. And it looks like she's figured this out. She's gonna have to introduce herself, ummmm, to herself.
"この世界の悪があれば本当に、それは人類の心の内にあります."
(Truly, if there is evil in this world, it lies within the heart of mankind)
—Edward D. Morrison

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Re: Chapter 47: Discussion
« Reply #87 on: January 11, 2017, 03:10:39 pm »
I like this. I just hope she can escape somehow before whatsherface can do anything.

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Re: Chapter 47: Discussion
« Reply #88 on: January 13, 2017, 02:10:48 pm »
What's her face, indeed.

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There is a Zen koan, or saying, that says: "Show me your original face before you were born." A variation of this koan says, "Without thinking of good or evil, show me your original face before your mother and father were born."

This person started out as glowing eyes.
"この世界の悪があれば本当に、それは人類の心の内にあります."
(Truly, if there is evil in this world, it lies within the heart of mankind)
—Edward D. Morrison

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Re: Chapter 47: Discussion
« Reply #89 on: January 13, 2017, 06:19:47 pm »
Indeed. I can't help but notice how Bern's hair changed. It seems like the "illusion" is actually real and created on the spot, for as long as she is in there. Freaky. Go Maytag