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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 39: Discussion
« on: December 17, 2013, 06:23:30 pm »
Well, I pointed out that both rape and hard labor as punishment can be corrupted (which is an argument against both to me). Anyway, you missed my point that even though men and women have different capabilities in some areas on average, this doesn't mean every man is more able to take hard labor than every woman, or that there aren't men with less capability than the average woman. If you decide that the average has to represent the individual then you're arbitrarily punishing some individuals and not others (even if it's optional this is unfair because capabilities vary, which makes the punishment optionally easier for some but not others) based simply on one arbitrary group they're a part of. You could just as well use hair color instead of sex to get results that are just as stupid, but different. If you can only assign hard labor or rape as a punishment to men then it is sexist against men (and vice versa if only women received those punishments). I don't think either hard labor or rape are good punishments, but it's not like one is always worse than the other to every last individual. They are both things often considered vile slavery and/or torture if forced on someone in a way that isn't a punishment (i.e. for the sake of sadism, greed, lust, etc.) and both can ruin lives and incite suicides (murder on the other hand always "ruins" or at least ends a life, so capital punishment is obviously the least physically tolerable punishment and annihilates the existence of the psychological as well), so it's meaningless to say that rape isn't okay as a punishment but hard labor is. Especially when we know that hard labor is not evenly tolerable among differing individuals even if one only considers the physical and ignores the psychological (as is commonly done). I could discuss other punishments, but that would branch the discussion a lot more and would have to delve into how important revenge, deterrence, and rehabilitation are. In many places revenge is apparently the most important thing by far (to the point where the punishment is far harsher than the crime), and I don't mean only in the third world.

Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 39: Discussion
« on: December 16, 2013, 07:44:49 pm »
Hard labor as a punishment simply becomes for-profit slavery (as opposed to "just" slavery) in favor of the owners and managers of prisons. Unspecified rape could just as "easily" become for-profit (and/or for-pleasure (of the raping, non-paying authorities), of course) sex slavery (as opposed to "just" slavery) for the same. I can see some people suiciding to avoid hard labor. Maybe it's not the normal response, but I don't think that suicide is the normal response to being raped, either. How horrible (or not horrible, as raping Maytag would be to Maytag via book 0) things are is completely variable, and it's meaningless to impose some standard level of minimum or maximum reaction of any polarity (negative or positive (or neutral, but absolute neutrality (the only true kind) is quite unlikely)) to any given event (not that each event is actually even "the same" as another of its classification, either). Anyway, if hard labor to for example repay debts (and line some authorities' pockets as well, because this will obviously happen) is acceptable, then what about women with debts? Hard labor for them, too? They wouldn't wouldn't usually repay their debts as fast as men would (per debt unit, not per debt percentage, which obviously varies with the total size of the debt), but physically or psychologically weak men wouldn't repay their debts as fast as "normal" men, either, especially if they killed themselves because they couldn't take it. Alternatively, if the hard labor was the same for all regardless of "ability" (which usually ignores the mind even though there is no possibility of doing something if the will to do so doesn't exist, and of course if the will doesn't exist there is likely no or at least insufficient will to gain the will, etc., recursively, either, making it impossible to gain the will, making it impossible to do the something) some would be harmed much more than others. If women can't get hard labor then the punishment is sexist. Whether that's a worthy ideal is up to each individual. It's not to me.

Flipside Discussion / Re: Mistake Thread
« on: December 06, 2013, 10:35:29 pm »
Panel four here says "You have have heard".

Flipside Discussion / Re: Mistake Thread
« on: October 28, 2013, 05:13:33 pm »
From page two of the intermission:

"adopter her sorcerer name" should read "adopted".

I suggest that "The only person she got along with is a Phalanx member- named Kindred." should read "The only person she got along with was a Phalanx member named Kindred." (tense change, no hyphen).

From page three of the intermission:

I suggest that "However it should be removed" should read "However, it should be removed". I ignore many times where I feel too many commas were used, but this is a time where I would have used one.

From page four of the intermission:

"contro- multiple clones" should read "control".

Flipside Discussion / Re: Mistake Thread
« on: October 21, 2013, 03:29:17 pm »
From page one of the intermission:

"and were developed Qtalda herself." needs "by" before "Qtalda".

Flipside Discussion / Re: Mistake Thread
« on: September 21, 2013, 05:07:14 pm »
Morior Mortis is spelled Morioh Mortis in panel one of this page.

Flipside Discussion / Re: Mistake Thread
« on: July 08, 2013, 04:36:36 pm »
Panel five here has "sorcer" instead of "sorcerer". Maybe this is an in-world word, but in case it isn't...

Flipside Discussion / Re: Mistake Thread
« on: June 27, 2013, 04:49:07 pm »
Panel five here has "porbably" instead of "probably".

Flipside Discussion / Re: Mistake Thread
« on: June 13, 2013, 11:10:15 pm »
Panel nine here reads "Besides, Maytag doesn't seem like the type of person who's die so easily...!"

Flipside Discussion / Re: Mistake Thread
« on: June 06, 2013, 04:26:36 pm »
Panel six here has "For better than" rather than "Far better than".

Flipside Discussion / Re: Mistake Thread
« on: May 20, 2013, 05:23:48 pm »
Panel five here has Polly missing her tear tattoo under her left eye (it should still be visible, even if perhaps seemingly compressed, from that angle).

Flipside Discussion / Re: Mistake Thread
« on: May 03, 2013, 05:32:02 pm »
Panel two here has "break you mind" instead of "break your mind".

Flipside Discussion / Re: Mistake Thread
« on: March 04, 2013, 04:53:07 pm »
c36 p06, panel 7: Corona is missing her dark circle by/over her left eye.

Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 35: Discussion
« on: January 12, 2013, 10:26:18 pm »
"Personal responsibility" was just an argument of the healer's father, not any official policy of the nation, as far as I know.

Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 35: Discussion
« on: January 08, 2013, 04:30:57 pm »
It can't be helped. The anti-intellectual only believes in what he thinks of, and doesn't often at all like Flipside or its characters anyway, so it's no wonder that he one-sidedly complains all the time. Brion sure is tolerant to let him keep spewing when odds are not so low that he's simply a troll, possibly taking "revenge" for Flipside not turning out to be TTGL.

Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 35: Discussion
« on: January 05, 2013, 10:39:38 pm »
No more walls of text in the chapter discussion thread, please?

You know, that seems vaguely contrary to some underlying aesop in the comic from back when it was good. Oh irony. But alright, I'll try to keep it simpler. For great anti-intellectualism!

There's no doubt that some people will choose the monster-free country, especially if rumour travels about what's happening in Iscariot.

People are living in Marvallo. All I'm doing is proposing one reason why they might have chosen to live there.
You seem a little jumpy at people who defend the place though.
Chill out a bit. There's no need to be quite as demeaning as you're being.

I apologize for being demeaning, but anyone with a brain knows that an entire society can't be judged based on one single upper class neighborhood. That's obviously moronic. It's the kind of thing anyone would realize is wrong if you just sat down and thought about it for a minute. But that stupidity is the basis for your opinion, and stupid opinions are kind of my berserk button. Now, I've already outlined examples of why you're wrong, which obviously nobody even read. But if you're going to continue arguing a logical fallacy, well, I guess it was my mistake for responding, since I can no better disprove broken logic than I can the existence of a deity.

Back on topic, the newest page is kind of funny. From the pathetic way Bern's behaving, I half expect her to collapse on the floor and burst into tears about how she never even wanted to be a knight.

In United or not, there's no way for commoners to improve their circumstances when business and government team up to look out for their own monied interests. you said:

"Unfortunately, fascism is hard to fight. Normally you'd have business and government fighting and weakening one another. When they work together, you need some outside force like another country or a roving band of adventurers to come in and shake everything up. Otherwise, fascism remains intact and the people suffer under it. Let's just hope The Great Benefactor doesn't decide to try spreading the glory of Marvallo into Iscariot. Luckily, Iscariot is a land of badass ruled by the big good, so at the very least it's probably still safe from being overrun by the wealthy ruling class."

Normally you'd have business and government fighting and weakening one another? No, normally you'd have corruption, and lots of it. Flipside to my knowledge doesn't even have "modern democracies", and even those have plenty of lobbying and job offers to politicians from businesses, even if you try to focus on the "best" ones in Europe. "Lower" forms of government tend to have even more corruption. The only way businesses care less is if your nation is of trivial importance, but then your nation is beholden to other nations for defense, and they will twist your arm, including at the behest of powerful businesses if the powerful businesses really want something, if they have a reason.

You fancy yourself politically knowledgeable and intellectual, but you look like an extremist who "imposes" his assumptions onesidedly on everything to me. This is beyond your love of tropes and TTGL (Flipside is not TTGL; get over it). Tell me exactly why gangs ruling would constantly turn the area into a "hellscape"? In real life gangs try to gain money and power like other groups. It's true that they tend to accept fewer limitations on their acts when compared to other groups of the same level of power, but that doesn't mean that they want to constantly be murdering and thus be getting murdered in return. Just like nations, gangs will typically not war forever, and will work out their place in time, resulting in (in their case) an uneasy peace. I'm not saying it would be great, but there's no reason it must be a hellscape.

Anyway, you say so much, but you don't tend to admit that there are any upsides in a system that isn't of your own preference, nor do you seem to allow positive motivations to maintainers of such a system. This is not the same as favoring an inferior system over a superior one, even given agreement between you and others on the rankings of systems, which isn't a given. Perhaps you admit that "the wealthy" enjoy this system, but you naturally value that at zero, so it doesn't count for much. Perhaps you should just accept the story for what it is rather than skipping huge portions of it only to then constantly complain with huge posts that Brion isn't TTGLing, politicizing, and troping Flipside to your tastes? TTGL is a shounen, and if you had to similarly classify Flipside it would be a seinen. Therefore TTGL's heavily shounen aspects are not something you should expect in Flipside.

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