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Chapter 53: Discussion
« on: May 10, 2019, 10:55:58 pm »
The thread for discussing chapter 53: The Other Woman!

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Re: Chapter 53: Discussion
« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2019, 02:04:09 am »
Hopefully some 'Sexy Times!'  :-*
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Re: Chapter 53: Discussion
« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2019, 02:14:58 am »
Oh goody.

This title can be one of two things. A flashback of Polly's life (much like some of Bern's and May's chapters) or where things get kinda awkward and stuff. Well, I suppose it could be an action chapter too...

Oh yeah, or it could be a troll chapter like Tom's famous one page Chapter 55 (which consisted of one page or so before changing the subject).  We did hear that after this arc, the teams would join up, so maybe midway through the chapter, stuff happens to meet up with more of the team.

Judging from the hairstyle, I'd say flashback.
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Re: Chapter 53: Discussion
« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2019, 08:18:19 pm »
I'd say from the hairstyle.. she's just been 'freshly Ravished!' LOL!  :-*
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Re: Chapter 53: Discussion
« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2019, 12:48:08 am »
Oh, sweet, Sweet Polly... welcome to the Love Nest!  :-*
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Re: Chapter 53: Discussion
« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2019, 08:19:33 pm »
Notice she didn't call it a magic bed.  But it totally could be!  :-*

Also, notice the brick in the bathroom. Obviously Brion's trolling us with a recurring joke which normally shows up in the filler sections.

Btw, what are the features of these magic rooms? Does the water simply remain hot or does it scrub better or bubble bath?
Does the sink have garbage disposal or other features?
« Last Edit: May 27, 2019, 08:24:45 pm by bulmabriefs144 »
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Re: Chapter 53: Discussion
« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2019, 08:42:48 am »
I don't get why neither Bern nor Polly said that they had sex to stop Polly from getting raped. I know that doing so would ruin a drama climax Brion has been working towards for years, but character-wise I just don't get it.

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Re: Chapter 53: Discussion
« Reply #7 on: May 29, 2019, 08:45:52 pm »
"When I'm feeling blue, all I have to do
Is take a look at you, then I'm not so blue
When you're close to me, I can feel your heart beat
I can hear you breathing near my ear
Wouldn't you agree, baby you and me got a groovy kind of love
Anytime you want to you can turn me onto
Anything you want to, anytime at all
When I kiss your lips, ooh I start to shiver
Can't control the quivering inside
Wouldn't you agree, baby you and me got a groovy kind of love, oh
When I'm feeling blue, all I have to do
Is take a look at you, then I'm not so blue
When I'm in your arms, nothing seems to matter
My whole world could shatter, I don't care
Wouldn't you agree, baby you and me got a groovy kind of love
We got a groovy kind of love
We got a groovy kind of love, oh
We got a groovy kind of love!"
  :-*
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Re: Chapter 53: Discussion
« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2019, 05:22:57 am »
Ahhh, so that's it. 

And yeah that's pretty decent and noble of her. 

However it's a little like your family and friends sticking around while you suddenly can't get in touch with your client for your job.  They're relationships that serve different roles, and one can simply be friends with former benefits in the worst case.  I'm not saying it's not a good idea if she wants to leave, but Bern is clearly attached.

The sorta religious law most often cited with regards to adultery is the Ten Commandments, which kinda says "Ummm don't do that."  ;D However, unlike staunchly Christianity which basically codified monogamous relationships and which is a dualism, Judaism is a monism and... well it's complicated. https://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-monism-and-dualism/

Basically, the Jews believed matter is all one substance, and despite having multiple wives in Jacob's and David's and I think Solomon's case, they had a rule that says adultery don't do it. Which seems VERY hypocritical that you have multiple wives in a system against adultery, until you understand monism. In dualism where this and that are two different things (God and human, God and... well not God, man and woman, two different partners) this means literally "keep faithful to the one you love" or to quote a 50s or 60s song "be true to your school, like you would to your girl."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdffgfM_YWQ
Judaism as I say, however is a monism.  They say stuff like the Shema Yisrael for exorcism.  (Basically that God is One, so the reason it's for exorcism is that it means evil spirits cannot exist) Read this way, it's kinda similar to saying "don't commit adultery because you really can't, there's no difference between you, me, and the other girl. We're all one, and this is a sin because you're hitting a false perception that I could be jealous. I'm only jealous when you stop seeing me as your lover."  This is kinda similar to what May's been saying, and remarkably similar to this song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuZE_IRwLNI

You know, the real reason I went into this religious history discussion was so that I could shamelessly plug songs.   :P
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Re: Chapter 53: Discussion
« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2019, 08:36:06 pm »
Well? What are you waiting for, Maytag? Invite Polly for a three way! 😆 You know you want to... 😆

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Re: Chapter 53: Discussion
« Reply #10 on: June 05, 2019, 01:03:25 am »
Might not Be As Simple As All That...

Basically, Polly is emotionally like the younger sister of Bern, with an even deeper sense of sacrifice (we saw this when she offered to bid lower than Bern).  Like Bern she's annoyingly principled.  So despite May being okay with it, and Bern sorta wanting it, it would be a hard sell. Not impossible, but very hard. 

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Re: Chapter 53: Discussion
« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2019, 07:59:23 am »
Well, Maytag, it's difficult to make a 3rd wheel feel welcome, especially when you're with their crush. I'm surprised you don't seem to realize that yet. Or are you playing a different game now?

Maybe she's sensing that Polly is withholding something about her relationship with Bern (namely the rape-thing) and decided to prod Polly until she'll burst it out.

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Re: Chapter 53: Discussion
« Reply #12 on: June 08, 2019, 05:18:36 pm »
Why do I feel she's gonna go from asking a simply favor in a cheery voice to like :doomface: in a single page asking Polly serious questions.
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Re: Chapter 53: Discussion
« Reply #13 on: June 11, 2019, 12:48:59 pm »
...I'd feel better if you let me do this for you... {and give me a chance to get into those 'Sweet Polly - purebread' pants! 'yum'}  :-*
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Re: Chapter 53: Discussion
« Reply #14 on: June 13, 2019, 07:48:51 pm »
Uhm.. what was that look Maytag gave her in Cell 2?  That's the dangerous Maytag look... what gives?
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Re: Chapter 53: Discussion
« Reply #15 on: June 13, 2019, 08:43:56 pm »
Why do I feel she's gonna go from asking a simply favor in a cheery voice to like :doomface: in a single page asking Polly serious questions.

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Uhm.. what was that look Maytag gave her in Cell 2?  That's the dangerous Maytag look... what gives?

:doomface:

As I said.  She's hardcore plotting something. 

Or just annoyed the Polly seems to be resisting her ploy to jump her bones. 
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Re: Chapter 53: Discussion
« Reply #16 on: June 14, 2019, 09:04:55 pm »
Perhaps... but has Maytag..ever behaved as a sexual predator.. she has never had to do that, she's usually so charming and fun-loving she usually wins folks over her to want HER.

Yeah, I agree Maytag is ploting BIG TIME... just not sure if she trying to read Polly or what?

Maytag does not let her mask slip like that unless she's done playing around.
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Re: Chapter 53: Discussion
« Reply #17 on: June 17, 2019, 10:12:59 pm »
"Touch me in the morning... then just walk away!
We Don't have Tomorrow, but we had Yesterday!"
 

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Re: Chapter 53: Discussion
« Reply #18 on: June 21, 2019, 06:54:38 pm »
While we're on topic of songs...

https://hooktube.com/watch?v=bcLazPauA1c

Something about that sunrise scene here.

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Re: Chapter 53: Discussion
« Reply #19 on: June 26, 2019, 02:54:36 am »
Hmmm... looks like they are looking for Suspiria? Are we finally to Enter: Crest?  :)
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Re: Chapter 53: Discussion
« Reply #20 on: June 26, 2019, 05:02:58 am »
Wrong page uploaded? The newest comic is from last chapter.

Chapter 52, page 21:

http://flipside.keenspot.com/comic.php?i=3813

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Re: Chapter 53: Discussion
« Reply #21 on: July 01, 2019, 05:40:54 am »
From my experience the worst ppl to deal with are those that hate themselves.
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Re: Chapter 53: Discussion
« Reply #22 on: July 02, 2019, 07:05:53 pm »
Are the last two pages an intermission? It jumped from page 22 to 101 suddenly.

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Re: Chapter 53: Discussion
« Reply #23 on: July 04, 2019, 08:46:28 am »
Oh snap.. I think I just figured out how Bernadette gets her facial scars!

She raises her crossed swords to block a strike from Polly's flying orb... and the blades are smashed into her face...hence the 'x' scar on her face!
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Re: Chapter 53: Discussion
« Reply #24 on: July 04, 2019, 09:59:20 pm »
Are the last two pages an intermission? It jumped from page 22 to 101 suddenly.

Yeah, it is a temporary intermission while I am away at conventions.  This is a repost of a Polly side story that was previously only available in the books.  Sorry about that!

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Re: Chapter 53: Discussion
« Reply #25 on: July 22, 2019, 02:25:39 am »
Did you remove the intermission pages again? They aren't loading any longer.

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Re: Chapter 53: Discussion
« Reply #26 on: July 26, 2019, 05:02:43 am »
OH! Now I get it! Maytag read the lie in Polly's words... the other day... hence 'The Look' she gave her in that one panel.. she read her and insisted she stay ~ at least one night.  There were 'words' still unspoken between her and Bernadette.
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Re: Chapter 53: Discussion
« Reply #27 on: August 07, 2019, 08:25:28 pm »
It's interesting that Bern is having this conversation, but not with Maytag. Why is that? 🤔

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Re: Chapter 53: Discussion
« Reply #28 on: August 08, 2019, 05:03:48 am »
Because Polly is there, and she's basically explaining to Polly what May is like. What's more interesting to me is that they didn't mention this before, but I guess Bern didn't know Polly was condering leaving before.
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Re: Chapter 53: Discussion
« Reply #29 on: August 08, 2019, 06:25:04 am »
So, are they ever going to mention that the sex happened to save Polly from getting raped 19 more times?
And that Polly got into this situation to save Bern from getting raped 1 time?

Because I kinda can't really take this whole conversation seriously, given that background. Not simply saying it is SUCH an Anime-ish thing to do and it was vexing every single time it happened, no matter which series.