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Chapter 46: Discussion
« on: May 13, 2016, 02:38:12 pm »
This thread is for discussing Chapter 46.  Bernadette and Polly are now both in A-Rank.  Will they be able to smoothly make progress towards escape?

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Re: Chapter 46: Discussion
« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2016, 02:49:03 am »
And we're back to our sexy gladiators!

Guess they were able to satisfy their secret "admirer?"

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Re: Chapter 46: Discussion
« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2016, 12:43:58 pm »
I know I'd be satisfied....! ;) (lascivious joking)

On a side note.... do we know ANYTHING about Bernadette's mother?  Wouldn't it be interesting if the warden was her mother?
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Re: Chapter 46: Discussion
« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2016, 06:27:08 am »
I know I'd be satisfied....! ;) (lascivious joking)

On a side note.... do we know ANYTHING about Bernadette's mother?  Wouldn't it be interesting if the warden was her mother?

She'd have to be taking Elixirs of Youth on a fairly regular basis, seeing as Bern is easily in her thirties, and even if the Warden had Bern young, she'd easily be in her 50s.

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Re: Chapter 46: Discussion
« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2016, 11:38:32 am »
Thirties? I thought Bern was around 16-21. Warden looks maybe 16 years older (one of reasons to ditch a child is being too young/inexperienced to take care of them). Given no child pregnancy laws in this country, Warden could be as young as 32-early forties. She hardly looks 50.
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Re: Chapter 46: Discussion
« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2016, 04:59:12 am »
I always assumed all the main characters are in their 20's (except maybe Regina, Crest and Suspiria who i would say are around 19), because they seem a bit too mature and experienced to be under 20 (Bern was part of some gang and then worked as a bodyguard or something..), and it would be a little weird.

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Re: Chapter 46: Discussion
« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2016, 06:42:34 am »
Bern has been stated to be old enough to be Crest's mother and he's in his mid to late teens.

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Re: Chapter 46: Discussion
« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2016, 12:16:08 pm »
Bern has been stated to be old enough to be Crest's mother and he's in his mid to late teens.

So what your saying is.. Bernedette is a Bad-Ass, Milla Jovovich Sexy, Sword-wielding MILF?!? 
{I think I'm in love!  ;)}

... "I'll be in my bunk..."
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Re: Chapter 46: Discussion
« Reply #8 on: May 19, 2016, 06:15:13 pm »
I always assumed all the main characters are in their 20's (except maybe Regina, Crest and Suspiria who i would say are around 19), because they seem a bit too mature and experienced to be under 20 (Bern was part of some gang and then worked as a bodyguard or something..), and it would be a little weird.

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Bern has been stated to be old enough to be Crest's mother and he's in his mid to late teens.

You don't happen to have quote for that one?

Let's assume she's early 30s, Warden could still realistically be in her mid 40s.
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Re: Chapter 46: Discussion
« Reply #9 on: May 20, 2016, 06:53:53 am »
Darn. Was hoping for a full sex scene here on this chapter.

...maybe if it becomes a side story, i'll buy it<3

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Re: Chapter 46: Discussion
« Reply #10 on: May 20, 2016, 11:19:28 am »
I dont think the author intended to turn it into full-blown lesbian pornography.. there are other places for that. However I am a bit confused.. so they had sex already? Are they being watched?
Also, am i the only one bothered by Polly's constantly changing eye color?

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Re: Chapter 46: Discussion
« Reply #11 on: May 20, 2016, 01:27:31 pm »
I think the author is not necessarily censoring sex. I mean there obviously is sex and violence aplenty, along with other themes like cannibalism. I think though, that Brion, like many authors believes "sex should be shown only if relevant to the plot." If you can get the point across without showing much, this is probably enough.

It seems so, otherwise she wouldn't say that she's cheated.

Oddly, this is probably okay, as both are feeling guilty about the idea of an open relationship. May is beating herself because she wants to be faithful to Bern, but knowing that even Bern got talked into something like this might ease her mind. Not that the average couple wants to cheat, but here it might give peace of mind.
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Re: Chapter 46: Discussion
« Reply #12 on: May 22, 2016, 07:45:46 pm »
I think the author is not necessarily censoring sex. I mean there obviously is sex and violence aplenty, along with other themes like cannibalism. I think though, that Brion, like many authors believes "sex should be shown only if relevant to the plot." If you can get the point across without showing much, this is probably enough.

Depends on how frugal I'm trying to be with page space.  But as I am generally trying to keep things pretty tight, I prefer to show *nothing* that's not relevant to the plot.  If the constraints were a bit looser, it'd be okay to show anything with thematic relevance, and I like to read comics with that kind of looseness as well.
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Re: Chapter 46: Discussion
« Reply #13 on: May 23, 2016, 10:13:22 am »
And here is the crux of her guilt.. she really does love Polly.. and Bern enjoyed being with her.. and she knows it!

How does the Bible put it... 'A man who looks at a women with desire in his heart has already committed adultery with her...' {and NO that's not the same as appreciating  or admiring a lovely woman.. this is about coveting the desire to be intimate with her 'if you could get away with it and not get caught!' THAT is the sin.. the desire for something that is not yours to have or have no right too..bacause you are already married/committed to someone else}.

- Not totally applicable in most Christian views in this case 'ie two women' but the principle is derivative; at least to the morally minded Bernadette! :)

Poor Bern.. the heart is a treacherous thing.. I'm really admiring her for knowing in her heart she does in-fact desire Polly, and her conscience is rightly bothering her!  She has a honest heart at least and knows.. she should apologize to Maytag and ask her forgiveness.
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Re: Chapter 46: Discussion
« Reply #14 on: May 23, 2016, 05:41:31 pm »
I used to believe as you do, sunphoenix.

(Then I took an arrow to the knee)

Erm, I mean, then I went to several different churches.

One, a fundamentalist, talked about how the law of the Hebrews was actually impossible to follow, which is why we are saved by grace.

After walking out of said church (something to do with a "family" sermon where he condemned LGBT people) I went to a more down-to-earth easygoing church. I learned that it was okay who I was.

All of this while I was reading a book known as the Virtue of Imperfection.

We have this mentality that sin is wrongdoing, but what I learned was that sin is actually better described by Final Fantasy X. They kept trying to banish Sin (both kinds) through sacrifice, but it kept coming back. It was only by rejecting this mentality that we got at the true source of sin, guilt. Letting go of guilt is the only way to truly kill off sin. That and a massive Aeon.

http://ontologicalgeek.com/change-or-live-final-fantasy-x-as-catholic-dystopia/

What this passage was trying to put was not that "you people may think you're okay but I have a new law and you're way worse off than you think (yay! Good News!)" but more like...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9c8bYuxLEg

"Until I learned to love myself
I was never ever lovin' anybody else"

The problem of adultery is not in itself, but that it produces emotions that make you feel cut off from the loved one. Self-hatred. This in turn make you act out in ways that distance you from other people. Even thinking about someone else produces these feelings. Not the idea of being damned to hell cuz you looked at a cute girl while in a relationship.

Bern needs to lighten up. May does know what she's going through and feels way worse about her own infidelity. But yea, it is how she feels. Tough to let go that feeling of worthlessness.
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Re: Chapter 46: Discussion
« Reply #15 on: May 25, 2016, 12:57:07 pm »
heh! Told ya! :)

Here something to bake your brain about... what if the "Interested party" who wanted to see the two of them.. {ahem}.. together.. WAS the Warden?!?

Think about it.. the Warden was clearly impressed with Bern's devotion and CLEARLY unexpressed LOVE of Polly... and think of what the warden got in return... two BAD-ASSED fighters kicking tail all over the arena.. Both Women, probably something she herself would like to rub in the face of all the males watching and or fighting in the arena.  I'm sure arena sales have gone through the roof!
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Re: Chapter 46: Discussion
« Reply #16 on: May 26, 2016, 12:07:01 pm »
Except we saw the person who was interested.

Holdon, gotta find the comic...

http://flipside.keenspot.com/comic.php?i=2593

Yeah, here it is. The guy who says "They're good."
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Re: Chapter 46: Discussion
« Reply #17 on: May 26, 2016, 12:51:15 pm »
HAHAHA! You have fallen for the writing trick! :)  There is no actual definitive proof that Either of those two was the interested party.. but we are led to draw a conjecture.. that may be entirely false! :)

I have used the same writing ploy in some of my writing as well! :)
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Re: Chapter 46: Discussion
« Reply #18 on: May 27, 2016, 05:34:35 am »
Oh c'mon. Yes, I imagine you could say it was a false lead.

But at a certain point if noticeably evil wizard in muttering on a mountaintop "Soon..." we generally don't assume that actually he is only there to buy ice cream and the actual culprit is the innkeeper.

Though there was a show like that. I saw this one called Josh Kirby...Time Warrior!  and the scientist guy was trying to collect parts for a device before an evil guy in a mech. Turned out the scientist was scattering a device that could stop the powers that be from controlling the world and he needed to collect them first. But it came so out of left field that it wound up being absurd.  Of course, most of the show was absurd so... (I mean really,  it was bad)

This guy appears to be a rich dude, and one of the many "charitable parties" that pays for entertainment. While it is plausible that the Warden has been secretly helping Bern all this time, either because she's into them, or because she hates the government or something, let's put that idea on hold for now.

Update: Also, awwwww, May is gonna be left out in the cold if they don't find a way to contact each other again.
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Re: Chapter 46: Discussion
« Reply #19 on: May 30, 2016, 02:52:00 pm »
Y'know, I could be wrong, but I'm not really sure Bern has anything to worry about here, I'm pretty sure May would be open to polygamy.

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Re: Chapter 46: Discussion
« Reply #20 on: May 30, 2016, 04:06:54 pm »
But, that's not the point.  She's not open to it. She feels regret, and shame for her having Polly still in her heart.  When she knows she'd be upset with Maytag for the same stuff.  Everyone's a bit hypocritical, and I'm happy to see that she is too.  Makes her more real.

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Re: Chapter 46: Discussion
« Reply #21 on: May 30, 2016, 04:50:14 pm »
Well yeah, now. But who knows how things'll be when this is all over. She may not be willing to lose either of them again.

Oh! Oh! Like Scandal, Liana and Kay in DC comics!

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Re: Chapter 46: Discussion
« Reply #22 on: June 10, 2016, 04:56:13 am »
"Another easy win for (those two)" they kinda bolded that part.

I have a feeling it's gonna get harder before it gets easy. Probably wind up either in S matches or challenging the Warden for their freedom.
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Re: Chapter 46: Discussion
« Reply #23 on: June 10, 2016, 01:03:10 pm »
Oh shit is that Melter?

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Re: Chapter 46: Discussion
« Reply #24 on: June 10, 2016, 02:03:48 pm »
Oh shit is that Melter?
Could be Moss as well.

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Re: Chapter 46: Discussion
« Reply #25 on: June 10, 2016, 02:59:54 pm »
Moss.

Melter, as seen here has short cropped hair, no bangs, and high necked outfit.

Moss has bangs creeping into the eyes and shoulder-length hair.

Assuming it isn't another character.
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Re: Chapter 46: Discussion
« Reply #26 on: June 10, 2016, 05:10:08 pm »
Anyone remember Ash from Book Zero?

It might be a bit of a stretch for me to say it's her buuuut… I believe Brion F. did say she may be making a return (stated in the commentary at the end of book zero…) i don't think Moss would be in Marvallo at the coliseum tailing Bernadette. I don't think he ever found her that interesting.

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Re: Chapter 46: Discussion
« Reply #27 on: June 10, 2016, 07:29:19 pm »
Anyone remember Ash from Book Zero?

It might be a bit of a stretch for me to say it's her buuuut… I believe Brion F. did say she may be making a return (stated in the commentary at the end of book zero…) i don't think Moss would be in Marvallo at the coliseum tailing Bernadette. I don't think he ever found her that interesting.

Good catch! And yes, I was thinking that was weird since he was more into May. I briefly considered that maybe he was watching after her because May had been targeted but kinda a long shot.
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Re: Chapter 46: Discussion
« Reply #28 on: June 12, 2016, 03:00:19 am »
"Escape"? Escape as in fighting for their eventual freedom by this country's rules, or "escape" as in eventually "escaping" by literally fighting to plot an escape, and slipping out? I do recall posting that they should do the former...

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Re: Chapter 46: Discussion
« Reply #29 on: June 13, 2016, 08:27:32 am »
Paying off their debts by being honest and accepting work means they get out of here with nobody pursuing them. Assuming Bern and Polly don't fall for some "double or nothing" trick where they lose all their marks if they fail some task.
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