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Re: Chapter 43: Discussion
« Reply #360 on: July 22, 2015, 05:41:03 am »
But honestly... was there any other choice that would have left her heart not feeling sick?  Yes, she is honest, she does want to help her dear friend out of a demeaning and terrible duty.

I expect Bern will tell Maytag of her infidelity and ask for forgiveness... I'm sure May will understand considering the terrible circumstances.  Maytag herself said something to the effect that friends are the people you suffer for... and if a little infidelity would save a friend willing to sacrifice so much for Bern from such a demeaning and degrading experience.. That's what friends are for and are supposed to do for each other!

Besides.. I think Maytag will like Polly... and would likely be the one to suggest a triplet relationship.  ;)
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Re: Chapter 43: Discussion
« Reply #361 on: July 22, 2015, 05:58:36 am »
Just gonna throw out a prediction: Bern and Polly's new "fan" is the Benefactor.

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Re: Chapter 43: Discussion
« Reply #362 on: July 22, 2015, 10:48:38 am »
But honestly... was there any other choice that would have left her heart not feeling sick?  Yes, she is honest, she does want to help her dear friend out of a demeaning and terrible duty.

I expect Bern will tell Maytag of her infidelity and ask for forgiveness... I'm sure May will understand considering the terrible circumstances.  Maytag herself said something to the effect that friends are the people you suffer for... and if a little infidelity would save a friend willing to sacrifice so much for Bern from such a demeaning and degrading experience.. That's what friends are for and are supposed to do for each other!

Besides.. I think Maytag will like Polly... and would likely be the one to suggest a triplet relationship.  ;)
Did May ask for Bern forgiveness when she was cheating on Bern constantly with people who interested her in the past? ::)

Also we should remember that May was herself willing to cheat on Bern in her own shitty circumstances with Moss, if Moss wanted he could have had her like that, and May was willing to do it even after promising with Bern not to cheat on her anymore just to get out of there to be with Bern.

Bern plot pretty much is the same, with one small difference with Polly taking the blame of Bern wanting to see May faster.
And well it indeed sounds a bit bad if Bern only motivation to do it with Polly is to repay the debt she put on Polly herself by her own actions or rather lack of them, it would be nice seeing Bern opening up and confessing she is into Polly like that and that she wants to do it with her.

I really doubt Polly and May will ever meet, this whole chapter point looks to be directed to change Bern a bit, both in her fightning mindset but also to break some sexual barrier.

And when Polly role will end I doubt we will see her anymore, not with her loving Marvallo country so much she will want to stay here anyway than going with Bern where she knows she can't really win Bern from May and polly also strike me now more as a monogamous person than someone who want to share her love with anyone, this sex if it indeed will happen will be her one time goodbye gift from Bern.

Still it would be amusing as hell if Polly gone with her and May and they would meet.
Makes me curious how the hell will they know if Bern and Polly came, with guys it's easy, but with both being girls it can be a bit tricky.
Magical orgasm meter device?

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Re: Chapter 43: Discussion
« Reply #363 on: July 22, 2015, 02:53:37 pm »
I get the impression Bern interpreted the Warden's offer as Bern + Polly having sex with A. N. Other(s), rather than with each other - so you could argue that that is the catch.

Still, there could be worse catches than being coerced into having lesbian sex with one of your best friends...

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Re: Chapter 43: Discussion
« Reply #364 on: July 22, 2015, 08:27:03 pm »
These vindictive cruel bastards want HER badly!  It so perverse how wicked-hearted miscreants want to corrupt  innocent and kind-hearted people.  Guess it just makes them feel more justified with their evil ways.

Again I don't think this is about solely the fans or the money.. these Sick SICK Bastards want to make Bern compromise her ethics... just to make a point that everyone is a corruptable as them! 

I mean come'on.. you think that Bern and Polly's conversations in their 'gilded cell' are not being monitored? Seriously?!?  These people ARE plain EVIL... and they take perverse pleasure in spreading the evil of their own avarice. Yes, the Arena coordinators will make a profit at this cause of one jaded fan's fantasy fulfilled, the fact that this DIRECTLY goes against Bern's professed monogamous fidelity... is NOT just a coincidence!  They REALLY want to erode her noble and honorable heart!

You cannot be corrupted unless you choose to be. Last I saw, Bern wasn't into abstinence. So the real issues are that Bern doesn't give in to the violence of her culture, and the biggie right now is Maytag.

You cannot be corrupted without your failing. As in, if Bern is doing something in a moment of weakness, this is her being corrupted. But if Bern does something "corrupt" for a noble reason, is it atill corrupt? Or has she made a choice that she believes  in,  in which case would that would be noble, since it is her choice not being manipulated by Warden.

As much as she loves May, this is someone she also loves. It was May's decision to be exclusive, she didn't make Bern do this. So this is a choice she can make according to her own morals. Now, here's the real thing. She loves Polly. But she doesn't want it to be cheap. To be like bad porn.
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Re: Chapter 43: Discussion
« Reply #365 on: July 23, 2015, 09:33:01 pm »
Yay for Polly + Bern jailbird hookup!

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Re: Chapter 43: Discussion
« Reply #366 on: July 25, 2015, 12:43:25 am »
i imagine that this might be a way to shake may's love for bern.  basically trying for a moment of weakness type of decision.  otherwise it is just a footnote in the whole scheme of things.  of course maybe there is some sort of hidden catch, but if the only two rules they have to follow is being nude and cumming, then they don't really have to make each other cum (they could self service), having someone watch you is a bit off, but far less than knowing someone is getting forced into sex on your behalf (or cheating).

option A. have polly pay for bern's weakness, resulting in significant guilt that never really goes away.
option B. sleep with polly, end up having the weight of it until she can resolve the issue with may and then herself.
option C. cheat and masturbate, having to deal with the minor guilt of cheating a cheater.

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Re: Chapter 43: Discussion
« Reply #367 on: July 25, 2015, 03:54:04 am »
Thing is if the rich guy behind the mirror won't think that Bern and Polly cummed enough for his taste and if he will treat it as disservice to him then I think the whole deal can be taken off and Polly will have to return to being sex slave or Bern and Polly will have to do it more with each other while the guy watches till they will make each other cum in such way the guy can accept the act.

I'm quite surprised they didn't ask about it again and just gone with the wind of things.
After all this is all arbitrary and everything is solely based on the guy's reaction to the lesbian act, because the guy who is paying enough to take Polly off from 18 days of being sex slave to paying customers will have the final say in this, and we really don't know if he is a good guy and just harmless rich pervert who gets off from seeing girls doing each other as just a watcher who are his favourites or if he has darker side if his wants aren't met.

Stil if you compare such paid hobby to guys who paid for girls being their personal sex slaves, mutilating themselves or mutilating others, can be considered a good one, cause he only intrudes on girls privacy during the sexual act.
And I really hope this whole exposure won't make Bern suddenly into such things and won't change her ways of who she is.
« Last Edit: July 25, 2015, 03:55:56 am by Kiran »

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Re: Chapter 43: Discussion
« Reply #368 on: July 25, 2015, 10:37:42 am »
Bern was always into such things. With May, and it's heavily implied that Polly and her were an item at one time.

The jealousy thing may be an issue, but it might make Bern change her mind about the open relationship, and allow other people in. Remember, May originally wanted that, but decided that if Bern wasn't doing anything, the infidelity was an issue. Bern might just say now "whatever, we've both been unfaithful, I forgive what you've done if you'd forgive this time."

Also, why do I feel like Bern is using "the right thing to do" as an excuse for some good sex with a friend? Pervy Bern...  ;D
« Last Edit: July 25, 2015, 10:39:37 am by bulmabriefs144 »
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Re: Chapter 43: Discussion
« Reply #369 on: July 26, 2015, 02:36:58 am »
Bern was always into such things. With May, and it's heavily implied that Polly and her were an item at one time.
You didn't read the extra Bern x Polly origin chapter from Book 7, did you?
I don't know if it's ok to spoil things here which would give you proper context about how they met.
But then you are right in one thing Bern was into Polly from start, and Polly was also heavy in love with Bern but they were never an item.

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Re: Chapter 43: Discussion
« Reply #370 on: July 26, 2015, 09:51:43 am »
I read it, but got Polly mixed up with the other girl. It was kinda a complicated story.

I also read May's origin story (2nd, not the one that got spoiled out, but the meeting Bern on the bridge) so that's my response to people who say that the whole Bern/May thing they never got. May was a "shy" (emotionless from 1st) girl who was rejected by most people who met her, and Bern loved her still.

Bad Apple, I think it was. Nah, that's not it. Dunno where that scene is.

Urgh... anyone know? Doesn't seem to be in Book 0 either.
« Last Edit: July 26, 2015, 06:11:52 pm by bulmabriefs144 »
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Re: Chapter 43: Discussion
« Reply #371 on: July 27, 2015, 11:56:57 am »
The scene you're thinking of is in chapter 11: http://flipside.keenspot.com/comic.php?i=407

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Re: Chapter 43: Discussion
« Reply #372 on: July 27, 2015, 06:02:16 pm »
wowza. I've been tuning in every now and then, waiting for the swords to finish beating Bern's foes and there's this genius development they have to make out and end of chapter
But I won't complain if Maytag is back

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Re: Chapter 43: Discussion
« Reply #373 on: July 28, 2015, 03:02:18 am »
The scene you're thinking of is in chapter 11: http://flipside.keenspot.com/comic.php?i=407
Younger Bern looks so adorable here. :-*

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Re: Chapter 43: Discussion
« Reply #374 on: July 28, 2015, 07:40:37 pm »
This is pretty much the defining reason why Maytag loves Bern.

http://flipside.keenspot.com/comic.php?i=409

A lonely girl who everyone rejected because she was emotionless and weird was completely accepted by someone who knows what it's like to be alone.

http://flipside.keenspot.com/comic.php?i=415

And this is why Bern loves Maytag. She values her honesty.

So, most of all, Bern owes it to May to tell her about the thing with Polly. The worry is that she won't accept her, but I'd hope she would.
"この世界の悪があれば本当に、それは人類の心の内にあります."
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Re: Chapter 43: Discussion
« Reply #375 on: July 29, 2015, 12:04:44 pm »
I'm a tad confused. Is Brion going to go to Maytag now? I thought he was going to finish this chapter first with Bern and Polly...?  ???

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Re: Chapter 43: Discussion
« Reply #376 on: July 30, 2015, 01:38:30 pm »
Brion usually ends chapters to line up vertically, usually in multiples of 15. Her agreeing to do the job was the end of the fighting arc, and the beginning of Maytag. There's a sort of smooth break between the two where the stories haven't to do with the other.
"この世界の悪があれば本当に、それは人類の心の内にあります."
(Truly, if there is evil in this world, it lies within the heart of mankind)
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