Chapter 21: Discussion

[Tropico]

Yep. I now hate Glyph. Stepping uninvited into a couple is about the same as entering uninvited someone's bed: a sexual assault.

Is that true? Getting into somebody's bed can be considered sexual assault? I can see the logic... do they have to be actually in the bed when you do it, or just the fact that it's their bed is enough?

(um... not that I have any real interest or anything, just curious )

[Xshu]

I imagine if you get in their bed and you're naked, covered in rose petals, and posing for them, then that might be sexual assault. Getting in their bed and falling asleep is probably not assault. XD

[Emp_Dragon]

Getting in someone's bed without permission is still tresspassing though...

[Foof]

You're right, Necro.  We do have a lack of smexy men nakedness.  But I think Maytag being naked makes up for that.

[Oddball]

OH MAN GLYPH IS NOW AWESOME AND MY HERO hahahahah really can't wait for the next strip..

To you a Hero is some type of wierd sandwich not a nut who goes into a bath tub, sneaks up behind a naked Bern and taps her on the shoulder 

[Razzly]

I was wondering if women would regard Glyph's body as fan service.  So it is hawt I take it?  I always seem to think women would want just a bit more buff than that.  Not over the top, muscles upon muscles, but just some slightly more broad shoulders and a bit of definition. *shrug* I'm not homosexual so I can't really guess at what might be hawt and not on a guy's body.

NEXT PAGE PREDICTION: Bern Turns around and kisses Glyph. 

Yeah, because all men want enormous boobs, tans, and bleach-blonde hair too, right? 

I like the fanservice.

[contreras]

I was wondering if women would regard Glyph's body as fan service.  So it is hawt I take it?  I always seem to think women would want just a bit more buff than that.  Not over the top, muscles upon muscles, but just some slightly more broad shoulders and a bit of definition. *shrug* I'm not homosexual so I can't really guess at what might be hawt and not on a guy's body.

girls into manga/anime are usually into girl-looking guys

[Foof]

Glyph's nice and toned.  He isn't overly feminine or buff.  Muscles are nice, but not when it's over the top like Armstrong or Schwarts....Shwaurtz...uh...Ah-nuld.

[Tropico]

Those question marks are...
What if it's some entity that doesn't realize how it's being 'bad'?

I'm guessing the question marks are about him just walking in the room by accident and being surprised to see the girls in the tub... something like " what is this? the girls in the tub? awesome."

Aside from that, I'm betting nothing is going through his mind aside from "bom-chika wow-woww.."

Btw, I do hope this isn't some kind of 'just kidding!' thing where it's an enchantment or an illusion or something... I really want to see this playing out for real.

[eocene]

You've got to be fucking kidding me.

Seriously. What. The. Fuck.

I was prepping a long rant about how retarded this entire arc has been, but really, what's the point? I mean, you're obviously free to completely ignore your own character development for the sake of.... of what, exactly? I don't know even know what the point is. Nothing any of these people say or do is ever realistic or believable, I swear. Even if there is some stupid magical enchantment at work here, what's the point? You've already beaten us over the head with both May and Bernadette's perspectives in previous chapters. What new information are we getting out of this? Is there a point aside from fanservice for a few fans? This is ridiculous. 

Goddamn, this strip never fails to piss me off. I keep occassionally coming back, though, because I have to admit I have a morbid curiosity to see what ridiculous crap you're going to pull next. Christ.

[Furcas]

You've got to be fucking kidding me.

Seriously. What. The. Fuck.

I was prepping a long rant about how retarded this entire arc has been, but really, what's the point? I mean, you're obviously free to completely ignore your own character development for the sake of.... of what, exactly? I don't know even know what the point is. Nothing any of these people say or do is ever realistic or believable, I swear.

Can you give us an example of this, other than today's page? I'm genuinely curious.

[Tyris]

*blink*

...

*blink again*

Okay, something is very definitely afoot here and at the very least Bern is going to be pissed as all hell when she finds out what it is.

Anyone want to take a bet on just how much blood is going to be spilled?

[Miau]

WHAT. what. ....ffffff

My brain is still having trouble comprehending this.
I have a hard time believing this is some magic trick, or someone in disguise, or a dream, or whatever kind of crap could be pulled..

I wonder why Bern is acting this way... Is she caught up in the heat of the moment, or maybe consciously deciding to be more 'open' for May? I have a feeling she'll admit to regretting it later, regardless.

When I see those question marks though, I imagine it isn't anyone in the story, just Brion going "EVEN I DON'T GET IT GUYS" or something haha. Like it pulls out of the story and provides you with the "???" you were already thinking (that's probably not making any sense..). None of the characters look surprised or confused enough for it to apply to them.

[The Dude]

You've got to be fucking kidding me.

Seriously. What. The. Fuck.

I was prepping a long rant about how retarded this entire arc has been, but really, what's the point? I mean, you're obviously free to completely ignore your own character development for the sake of.... of what, exactly? I don't know even know what the point is. Nothing any of these people say or do is ever realistic or believable, I swear. Even if there is some stupid magical enchantment at work here, what's the point? You've already beaten us over the head with both May and Bernadette's perspectives in previous chapters. What new information are we getting out of this? Is there a point aside from fanservice for a few fans? This is ridiculous. 

Goddamn, this strip never fails to piss me off. I keep occassionally coming back, though, because I have to admit I have a morbid curiosity to see what ridiculous crap you're going to pull next. Christ.

Get over it yah wee pansy!
This comic is better than anything you could ever make.

[Hydra]

...And then Glyph woke up, and it was all a dream.

Or hell, maybe Maytag. Or Crest.

[Mirasaros]

Uhm.

W. T. F.

Okay....

Wow.

xDD

Something tells me that Maytag is having a dream... a very wet dream.... ><;;;;

[eocene]

Get over it yah wee pansy!
This comic is better than anything you could ever make.

Yeah, that's right! 8D Because NO ONE could EVER write anything better than this storyline! Man, if only I had thought to write out a story arc about a lesbian who just needed a MAN to set her straight and loosen her up a little! Brilliant! Why has no one else thought of this entirely believable and totally not-patronizing idea?! 8D

[The Dude]

Yeah, that's right! 8D Because NO ONE could EVER write anything better than this storyline! Man, if only I had thought to write out a story arc about a lesbian who just needed a MAN to set her straight and loosen her up a little! Brilliant! Why has no one else thought of this entirely believable and totally not-patronizing idea?! 8D

Ever heard of fan-service?

[eocene]

Not at the expense of all the character development up until this point.

Last I checked, Brion was trying to write an actual story, and not just ridiculous soft-core porn.

[Tyris]

...And then Glyph woke up, and it was all a dream.

Or hell, maybe Maytag. Or Crest.

Hell, maybe this is what Moss sees when he looks at Bern. Thing is, we just don't know.

What we do know is that this is distinctly out of the ordinary, and something is not right. We'd like to give Brion some credit and assume that the wrongness is in-story, not out of it.

[The Dude]

Not at the expense of all the character development up until this point.

Last I checked, Brion was trying to write an actual story, and not just ridiculous soft-core porn.

What makes you assume that this destroys any of the recent character development?

[Enkida]

Oh, smells like an enchanted bath.  Never trust Frank-N-Furter's tubs!

[contreras]

lol at the people freaking out

obviously this has an explanation, just keep reading

[eocene]

What makes you assume that this destroys any of the recent character development?

What makes you assume it doesn't? 

[erana]

Not at the expense of all the character development up until this point.

Last I checked, Brion was trying to write an actual story, and not just ridiculous soft-core porn.

You are right in the part about character development. However, if you read a few posts before, Xshu mentioned a suspiction Bern could be under a spell, and my own post agreeing by him because, otherwise, Glyph would be dead meat right after having been introducted. It seems that's exactly what's happening.

Either that, or Brion has turned into a ridiculous soft-core porn fanfic writter. I give him the benefice of doubt in that and vote for option A

[The Dude]

What makes you assume it doesn't? 

The last time I checked, illusions and manipulation could be caused by magic.

[Kiran]

Oh, smells like an enchanted bath.  Never trust Frank-N-Furter's tubs!

Voting on this.
A bath which make a lesbian wanting to make out with a guy she hates as a pervert,classy
Now we need also Crest so he could make out with Glyph.
I really want to see Bern look when she learns what she's doing...and with who ^^

[eocene]

However, if you read a few posts before, Xshu mentioned a suspiction Bern could be under a spell,

There are all sorts of things it could be. That still doesn't make this scene necessary to the story. Lets say it is a spell, and the point of this story arc is to highlight Bern's shyness. We've been over that, though, many many times. Is there really an important enough revelation at the end of this to warrant this whole long, drawn-out stop at the B&B? Or maybe the point is to show that Glyph really is a dangerous pervert after all (he knew about this B&B beforehand, remember; his "You guys have got to check this place out" line, or whatever it was) and not to be trusted, but golly, I'm pretty sure this has been well covered, as well. And this too big of an out-of-character situation to just be dismissed as extra fanservice.

You guys give Brion too much credit. No, I don't think he's actually going to turn into a soft-core porn writer. But he has a habit of making characters behave inconsistently or introducing situations that either are unncessary or don't make sense in context just for the sake of forcing a particular plot point. I'm sure this will be resolved, but as usual, it comes off feeling like he's had these basic major scenes in his head for a long time, and he is just connecting the dots to get from one point to the other in ways that are often clunky or that don't fit well with what he's built up in the meantime.

[wolf-demon_tsuki]

There are all sorts of things it could be. That still doesn't make this scene necessary to the story. Lets say it is a spell, and the point of this story arc is to highlight Bern's shyness. We've been over that, though, many many times. Is there really an important enough revelation at the end of this to warrant this whole long, drawn-out stop at the B&B? Or maybe the point is to show that Glyph really is a dangerous pervert after all (he knew about this B&B beforehand, remember; his "You guys have got to check this place out" line, or whatever it was) and not to be trusted, but golly, I'm pretty sure this has been well covered, as well. And this too big of an out-of-character situation to just be dismissed as extra fanservice.

You guys give Brion too much credit. No, I don't think he's actually going to turn into a soft-core porn writer. But he has a habit of making characters behave inconsistently or introducing situations that either are unncessary or don't make sense in context just for the sake of forcing a particular plot point. I'm sure this will be resolved, but as usual, it comes off feeling like he's had these basic major scenes in his head for a long time, and he is just connecting the dots to get from one point to the other in ways that are often clunky or that don't fit well with what he's built up in the meantime.

did it ever occur to you that maybe the reason he has his characters behave inconsistently with their developement is because he is trying to make them seem more human? besides if you had ever tried writing anything even halfway decent then you would know that alot those unnnessassary situations tend to be needed to move the plot along or else you have an excerpt not a story.

tho i do have a question for you eocene. if you hate the way brion is going about with his creation and you think it so horrid, what the fuck are you doing reading or even in the forums for?

[Belhalhar]

<nitpicking>Another proof for the water being magical is Maytags left hand on Berns shoulder....</nitpicking>