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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 46: Discussion

« on: July 12, 2016, 09:06:09 am »

I dont know, I thought they did that when the crowd didn't like somebody. Would be a bit weird considering they're the most popular fighters. We don't know what the dart does yet.

Whatever it is, it can't be something good, and no, Polly is not alright.

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 46: Discussion

« on: July 09, 2016, 03:57:56 pm »

Well. We've already seen that they're willing to "overlook" the death penalty when one of their gladiators doesn't do what they want. They wanted Bern and Poly in S-class. Since Poly and Bern refused, out come the poison darts.

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 46: Discussion

« on: June 25, 2016, 07:40:18 am »

" It's A TRAP." They're arguing to lure Bern and Polly into a false sense of security to launch an otherwise ill-advised attack and get their asses handed to them.

It's hard to think otherwise seeing as they had plenty of opportunity to discuss strategy while waiting for the match.

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 46: Discussion

« on: May 17, 2016, 06:42:34 am »

Bern has been stated to be old enough to be Crest's mother and he's in his mid to late teens.

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 46: Discussion

« on: May 16, 2016, 06:27:08 am »

I know I'd be satisfied....! (lascivious joking)

On a side note.... do we know ANYTHING about Bernadette's mother?  Wouldn't it be interesting if the warden was her mother?

She'd have to be taking Elixirs of Youth on a fairly regular basis, seeing as Bern is easily in her thirties, and even if the Warden had Bern young, she'd easily be in her 50s.

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 46: Discussion

« on: May 15, 2016, 02:49:03 am »

And we're back to our sexy gladiators!

Guess they were able to satisfy their secret "admirer?"

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 45: discussion

« on: May 12, 2016, 06:43:16 am »

Interesting. So Mary is likely changed since that encounter with Maytag, eating only "bad guys".. I hope she won't get killed.

Not like anyone can. She somehow managed to shrug off Q'talda's killer microbe spell, after all.

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 45: discussion

« on: May 10, 2016, 06:12:09 am »

Crest being the leader of the mission? That's a tall order. Crest really doesn't have much experience being in charge. He has made some good calls before true, but actually being in control and responsible for the outcome? Not so much.

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 45: discussion

« on: April 30, 2016, 04:32:15 am »

Glyph. You're suggesting that Suspira is stronger than Halcyon.  This has yet to be proven. Further, even if Suspira is stronger than Halcyon was, she's far less experienced, and her mentality wasn't exactly stable, considering the sudden, and traumatic, changes she recently went through at the time. Being able to "control" Suspira while failing to be able to control Halcyon is far less of a contradiction than one might think.

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 45: discussion

« on: April 28, 2016, 05:51:08 am »

Ok. THIS. This I pointed out at the time of the event. Either Halcyon was "in on it," deliberately "turned a blind eye" to the Conclave's actions, or was a complete idiot who was only useful as a figurehead despite his insanely high magical power.

I'm glad to see Crest picked up on it. So that explains why Crest has come to the conclusion that someone mind-controlled the Conclave and Suspira. Very interesting.

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 45: discussion

« on: April 26, 2016, 05:10:02 am »

I love how the rest of the cast is hanging on to Crest's every word here, when any sane individual would have said 'Is there a coherent point to this rambling, and if so can you please get to it' by now.

He's already shown there's more than one coherent point to his "rambling" and what he's saying has to be taken step by step or it's not going to make sense.

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 45: discussion

« on: April 25, 2016, 09:44:38 am »

Or.. worse yet. Q'talda, who may or may not have been the extra "invisible" person there may have set all this up to off Halcyon and take over. After all, she's the only one who knows how to prepare  the special "anti murder microbe" resin to protect herself.

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 45: discussion

« on: April 24, 2016, 04:59:00 am »

That looks like Crest hiding behind a tree looking at Q'talda. Still.. Do you suppose Halcyon was using a body double too?

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 45: discussion

« on: April 21, 2016, 07:30:33 am »

Wow, so Crest agrees that Suspira's parents are "genuine" but still doesn't buy the "Suspira was controlling everyone" bit, and he's got good arguments to back him up. Crest may be no sorceror, but he's a damn smart cookie.

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 45: discussion

« on: April 19, 2016, 08:05:28 am »

As much as it pains me to say this. Unfortunately, the burden of proof is on Suspira at the moment.

First, prior to the confrontation with The Conclave, Suspira did attack those three students. Granted, the students were up to no good, and did, quite publicly, attack her first, but her actions were legally considered assault.

Second, the fact that Suspira's "parents" came forward, puts doubt on Qtalda's "confession," and the events leading up to it.

Third. It is readily apparent that the Thin Man, through Melter did something to her, and she hid it, until it was too late to do anything about it. People who are "clients" of The Thin Man are, without exception, mentally unstable once they are returned to the outside world. We are yet to be shown if this is by design, or merely an unintended side-effect of his experiments.

Fourth, Crest has no way of knowing which is true. Suspira's parents alive or dead?

Crest's only hope is to try and find some independently verifiable evidence.

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 45: discussion

« on: April 05, 2016, 05:25:29 am »

Not a really good reason, girl. You're not Maytag, you're you. In Glyph's place, most decent guys would go "no" because there's no solid, stable relationship there.

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 45: discussion

« on: March 29, 2016, 05:24:17 am »

Page 41, and thus streaking was invented.

Well, at least they're having fun.

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 45: discussion

« on: March 24, 2016, 05:31:36 am »

Ok, yeah. Life without meaning is pretty damn depressing.

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 45: discussion

« on: March 19, 2016, 08:27:20 am »

Glad to see Moby admit she was wrong... but DAMN has she got a rather low opinion of men. And from "personal experience?" What kind of guys did she date?

Yeah, there's a perception going back hundreds if not thousands of years that humans of the male gender are just walking erections looking for a warm hole to put it in.

That is simply not true.

Crest isn't the only guy who has hang-ups about women.

In fact, a significantly large population of the male gender is very insecure around women, and even in those that are not, the fear of rejection, or being entrapped is very, very high.

A woman, who is a complete stranger, starts ripping her clothes of and physically jumping on a guy, is going to send MOST of them running. It's just so out of the norm, for starters, that they're not going to handle it well.

The guys that go "yeah baby!" and jump in with gusto are NOT the kind of guy that will do well in society, at all.

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 45: discussion

« on: March 15, 2016, 05:52:36 am »

That wasn't seduction. That was attempted rape. Pure and simple. She didn't try to make him comfortable or play up her sexuality, she tried to outright force him to have sex with her, and then justify it by saying "you're a guy, of course you like it."

Crest is completely in the right here. The one who's being a dick is Moby (no pun intended).

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 43: Discussion

« on: May 11, 2015, 06:02:55 am »

Black and Blue.

I guess next limbs will come off and flipside will go all monty python black knight on us.

Bit late for that. Both Mr. I-Beam and Yo-yo girl lost an arm already.

As for the "murder is wrong" thing. Murder is ALWAYS wrong. No exceptions. The death penalty is NOT murder.

You, uhhh just made one. By putting a fancy label on a word. Tell me, what is the difference between murder in revenge, sentencing someone to death through court proceedings, and killing in war? Not much. Someone was alive and had something going for them. Now they're dead, and their story is over. You've killed them.

Fact: the same physical action is employed for all three occasions, war, justice, or murder. There is fundamentally no difference besides the words. "I want you dead" vs "You are guilty, and sentenced to death" vs "It's war, so you have to die because you're the enemy." You can kill someone or you can spare them. But be honest about it.

 It is the taking of a guilty criminal's life as punishment for a specific crime, and all the way back to the code of Hamurabi, rape is an offense that warrants the death penalty. Even the second commandment specifically allows for the death penalty. "He who sheds innocent blood shall be slain by human hands."

No it doesn't. The original 10 commandments do not state this. This is the Mosaic Code. Last I checked, we neither care about women wearing the pants of men, nor kosher diet, nor mixing fibers in clothing. This law is not directly tied to the 10 commandments, and even if it was, this is a rationalization. A person shall be slain by human hands, mebbe. But it never said they must. It is also written "vengeance is mine." Bern very much has a choice in the matter.

The death penalty requires a little something called "due process." That is, bringing forth evidence, witnesses and delivering judgement from a higher power. A man running up and killing someone because he THINKS (or "knows") a guy raped his daughter would be homicide, a lesser form of murder, and could itself be punishable by death.

Self-defense is not murder. Someone breaks into your house, he's not there to deliver a check from Ed Mc Mahon. He's there to steal, KILL, and destroy. You still don't get to chase him down and kill him if he flees, however. Someone comes at you with a weapon, and you fight back, resulting in his death, it's not murder.

Because something is reasonable (and yes you have this right) does not make it the only option. A guy breaks into your house, you can club him until he leaves, or sic dogs on him.

Soldiers killing enemy soldiers on the battlefield is not murder. It's war. And both armies are fighting to survive. Combatants firing rockets into a civilian dwelling, or deliberately targeting unarmed non-combatants IS murder.

Again, you have delusions that there is a dinstinction. Call things by their proper name.

http://blog.independent.org/2013/02/07/now-we-know-war-is-murder/


Extremists running into a civilian establishment seeking to kill as many people as possible is not "holy." It's murder. Even if they try to "justify" it by claiming "provocation" afterwards, by pointing to a set of "laws" that isn't even written down. (The Koran does NOT say "go forth and kill everyone who utters the name mohammad, or dares draw a picture of his likeness," for example.)

Muslims believe that they are at war, and civilians are a threat to their way of life. They will have children who they will teach their way of life. Either realize that war is evil, but something you do in hopes that future generations will benefit, or stop kipping yourself and do not go to war.

As for Bern's options? She's already cut off his arm and left deep gashes in his chest, and he keeps coming! (Not to mention destroying his weapon.)

Also, remember her style is almost exclusively counter attacks. It is very difficult for her to do anything preemptive.

He's also extremely "proud," determined, and believes he has a license to kill, or die trying. Bern's in a really hard place right now, and I don't envy her for a moment.

And for once this entire post, I agree.

If he goes black knight, I'm probably changing the channel. "It's just a flesh wound."

The definition of murder since the Code of Hamurabi, the oldest written law, is "to kill an innocent person against whom you do not have a blood debt."

A blood debt is taking him (or evidence of his wrong doing) before a court and proving that he has done something to you that warrants death.

Killing someone in revenge is murder when it's not supported by the law, or an overriding public interest. Like say, shooting an axe wielding lunatic who is running down the street attacking people at random. If said lunatic happened to have raped your daughter/wife, or significant other at some time in the past, that's a bonus for you. As I said before, if you go out, on your own, with no evidence aside from your "knowledge" that he raped her and he is NOT wielding an axe, running around attacking people at random, and you shoot him anyway, that is murder because you have not proven that his actions warranted death.

That's not an exception, or contradiction. That IS the definition of murder under the law, and always has been. Anyone who says different needs to have a real long look in the mirror and ask his reflection why he's so eager to muddle the subject.

Killing an enemy combatant in war is different from murder because he is trying to kill you. Murder, as defined already, is you going out and killing someone "because you feel like it." Has that escaped your consciousness somehow?

The death penalty, which is clearly supported even by the second commandment "Thou shall not kill" applies to a very small segment of criminal behavior that is so vile, so heinous, so utterly depraved that the criminal in question has forfeited his right to live another moment, and failing to kill him puts the society at whole at risk, not only from his escaping and repeating the offense, or committing worse ones, but by inspiring others to copy it.  This is wholly different from murder, which, once again, is "I feel like killing someone" and then going and doing it.

That answers your argument "guess it's not very much." The fact that a person who was alive is now dead does NOT automatically guarantee he was murdered. Anyone who tries to muddy the definition of murder into something else clearly has some hidden agenda, and that worries me.

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 43: Discussion

« on: May 09, 2015, 04:41:21 am »

I guess next limbs will come off and flipside will go all monty python black knight on us.

Bit late for that. Both Mr. I-Beam and Yo-yo girl lost an arm already.

As for the "murder is wrong" thing. Murder is ALWAYS wrong. No exceptions. The death penalty is NOT murder. It is the taking of a guilty criminal's life as punishment for a specific crime, and all the way back to the code of Hamurabi, rape is an offense that warrants the death penalty. Even the second commandment specifically allows for the death penalty. "He who sheds innocent blood shall be slain by human hands."

The death penalty requires a little something called "due process." That is, bringing forth evidence, witnesses and delivering judgement from a higher power. A man running up and killing someone because he THINKS (or "knows") a guy raped his daughter would be homicide, a lesser form of murder, and could itself be punishable by death.

Self-defense is not murder. Someone breaks into your house, he's not there to deliver a check from Ed Mc Mahon. He's there to steal, KILL, and destroy. You still don't get to chase him down and kill him if he flees, however. Someone comes at you with a weapon, and you fight back, resulting in his death, it's not murder.

Soldiers killing enemy soldiers on the battlefield is not murder. It's war. And both armies are fighting to survive. Combatants firing rockets into a civilian dwelling, or deliberately targeting unarmed non-combatants IS murder.

Extremists running into a civilian establishment seeking to kill as many people as possible is not "holy." It's murder. Even if they try to "justify" it by claiming "provocation" afterwards, by pointing to a set of "laws" that isn't even written down. (The Koran does NOT say "go forth and kill everyone who utters the name mohammad, or dares draw a picture of his likeness," for example.)

As for Bern's options? She's already cut off his arm and left deep gashes in his chest, and he keeps coming! (Not to mention destroying his weapon.)

Also, remember her style is almost exclusively counter attacks. It is very difficult for her to do anything preemptive.

He's also extremely "proud," determined, and believes he has a license to kill, or die trying. Bern's in a really hard place right now, and I don't envy her for a moment.

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 43: Discussion

« on: May 07, 2015, 05:21:33 am »

Ooh, now that's a smart move. Jumping over Bern and landing a blow to the back of her head. Has to be a bit costly in terms of stamina though. Still, it's not easy to counter and Bern's magic-eating swords can't block back there, not with ease anyway.

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 43: Discussion

« on: May 05, 2015, 05:31:14 am »

What culture does he come from? There are cultures where a Warrior's pride is worth dying for. (Because if you surrender, and let yourself be taken captive by the enemy, your people will kill you as a traitor.) Vikings, some Scot clans, certain Asian countries, etc have or have had this mindset.

It could well be that he comes from such a culture, visited the country, was given some kind of insult to his heritage which requires answer by force, and had to be beat down before being arrested.

That's the kind of vibe I read from him now.

If none of the above is true, he's just a fracking idiot making up excuses as to why he wants to die fighting.

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 43: Discussion

« on: May 02, 2015, 07:04:55 pm »

Unless Mr. I-Beam's been promised his freedom by beating Bern to death, I'm having a hard time seeing how he can justify going to such lengths to try and beat her down. Further, he's not really doing it in an intelligent or rational manner. He's just panicking and trying all sorts of random stuff to see what works.

He's lost. It would be better for everyone if he puts his weapon down and surrenders. He keeps going like this, he WILL die, and Bern will most likely be punished for it.

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 43: Discussion

« on: April 30, 2015, 05:28:01 am »

Missing an arm is not enough for Mr. I-beam. He's still going. He must want to die.

Note: Escape is not an option. If Bern escapes, with Polly or without, and the enforcers DON'T, or can't get her, the Phalanx will. She will forever be known as a dangerous, and violent criminal with a propensity for escaping duly authorized punishment.

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 43: Discussion

« on: April 28, 2015, 06:19:59 am »

Bern, this would be a good time to say "STAY DOWN! Keep going the way you are and you WILL DIE as a direct result of your actions. Give up now, and you will get a fight another day. Nothing the Arena has promised you is worth you throwing your lives away."

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 43: Discussion

« on: April 24, 2015, 05:33:59 am »

Oh for pete's sake. What have these guys got to gain from this? If Bern hits them any harder, they're likely to die. Still, they're grabbing her legs, trying to yank the swords out of her hands, and just plain fighting dirty.

What's worse is that while the "death penalty" seems to be lifted for them, there is no guarantee that the same rules apply to Bern. So if she kills them, even accidentally, she will get penalized despite the fact that they just keep overexerting themselves.

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 43: Discussion

« on: April 23, 2015, 06:36:21 am »

Oy. Mr. I-Beam. Give. It. A. Rest. You are grabbing a sword bare-handed. Do you WANT to die?

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 43: Discussion

« on: April 21, 2015, 05:41:29 am »

Bern, this is where you take a bow and accept your rank-up prize.