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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 42: Discussion
« on: November 25, 2014, 02:45:29 am »
For me Bern choosing option 1 would be kinda stupid, she loves May and want to see her faster so to do that she will willingly cheat on her with random strangers for whole night to make that happen?

And we talk about a person who is a shy monogamous lesbian who so far had 2 sexual partners in the comic with who she was intimate which based solely on the romantic feelings they shared(we could also add Polly here as 3rd unrequited option), and who is also easy embarrassed by even her friends or associates seeing her nude body, and now such person would be forced to undress herself and spend whole night of becoming sexual slave(which means vaginal, anal and also possibly oral sex, or even double penetration and all that without considering her anything other than a piece of meat to fuck) by random group of guys.

Question is why Bern need to meet with May right away, I know Bern loves her, but that is childish and it's her biggest weakness, she should just grit her teeth, acknowledge that she fucked up and take the punishment as real warrior to climb the rank normally using only her skills and not the selling her body or injuring it or killing someone else for the shortcut promotion, choosing that would be showing she is indeed weak.

After all Polly will go out earlier than her, she just can ask Polly to give May a message and then they could go back here and pay for Bern marks if needed.
This whole drama if you will read from start is basically over nothing.
So what, Bern will see May 6 months or even later than with original plan(cause even if she is rank D with two magical swords and changing her attitude towards fights for real she will climb back fast), is Bern so insecure in her love with Maytag that she thinks May will find someone else during that time enough to accept one of the crazy deals which would make her giving important part of herself over literally nothing?
Cause even once Bern didn't think how this would affect her own life, just it's all over I will see May later than planned thing.
She needs to become a bit of selfish person. An individual should not degrade herself so much over love for another where it's not needed and it is not life threatening situation for both.

Seeing how Warden played this all out into cornering them, Bern and Polly should just take a break, breathe in or two and resolve this like thinking adults.
But seeing Bern reaction from last panel looks like the decision will be made soon one way or another.

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 42: Discussion
« on: November 23, 2014, 10:19:18 am »
I can't really see them trying to escape, if author really wanted to play that card he wouldn't put so many pages on the whole horrible fate options which await Bern angle.

And he wouldn't use Warden to tell us how weak Bern is every time because she didn't want to be active and violent from start, which Polly by the way should tell Bern anyway is a way to fight here, but for "plot" reasons to put Bern into desperate situation like cornered animal, she kinda forgot that while herself fightning seriously.

Bern willingly choosing to become a prostitute, a torturer/murderer or mutilating herself...
I can't really see any of such options making her stronger or better, all in some way will make her selling part of herself for easy gain of A rank match which itself would show she is weak and needs the special Warden treatment.

It would be nice for Bern to say fuck you to Warden offer and trying to gain rank normally even if that would take more time.
Sometimes the biggest weakness of Bern is her love for May so I can't really see her wasting such "opportunity" to see May quicker even if that will mean hurting herself but also May in the process, cause I don't think May would be happy with any option here for Bern as a choice.

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 42: Discussion
« on: November 21, 2014, 07:03:25 am »
Those are really hard choices. Knowing Bern though I would say she'll CUT HER OWN EYE OUT (ew!)

The telling point is whether she would look cool with some kind of eyepatch, and...of course she would!
Eh, now I really want to see her choosing option 2.

Option 3 is not possible for Bern.

Option 1 is, but it would mean she would give up on everything she is and what ideals she holds dear.

Backing now out towards option 4 would mean that the Warden would make her stay here a very, very long time giving her maybe 1 fight per week to punish her for again wasting her time and these "great" opportunities she gave Bern to do.

So option 2 would be the least harmless one for person like Bern.

And I agree just seeing Bern with a black eyepatch would be quite a cool thing to see ::)

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 42: Discussion
« on: November 18, 2014, 04:40:43 am »
As option 1 I myself can't really imagine wanting to please a bunch of perverted guys for few hours straight as night lasts as their sexual toy where they could use me in whatever way possible, the trauma would be enormous, and the thought I sold myself for some easy gains would eat me alive, not mentioning the self-hate from cheating on a person I currently love very much and stay in monogamous relation.
Something like that could destroy a person who is not into such things.
I would assume Bern feelings would be similiar on this topic.

I would rather agree to option 2 so far than 1.

If the eye removal is only temporary it will hurt as hell for a bit short while and then they should regenerate it anyway before Bern A rank match, similiar like they heal up people who would lose their eyes or limbs during official matches so they would be fit to fight later.
I can't really belive it would be permanent.

On emotional but also physical level option 2 would be lesser evil for Bern knowing her so far.
May too was ready to cut off her limbs for Bern, and Bern out of love for May could do the same.

Also from how Warden said things the people with money pay to watch Bern do things, as with the rape past incidents, looks like the new administration thought a little and why to give something for free, if they can put inmates in such position where they could agree to do it "willingly". Seeing how this all played out, it looks to me that the Warden and new overseer just waited for Bern to put herself in no exit spot and in right moment they decided to push her further so she would agree to this and let them earn good pile of money. After all Warden was here and listened to Bern talks with Polly so she knows now how to play this right and she also knows that Bern with time with her abilites would jump the ranks anyway, and this might be the only time to force her into doing such tasks.

The most disappointing thing here for me is sadly Polly, how come someone who lives years in this Marvallo system and is part of enforcers is so naive and lacking any kind of real knowledge, I can understand Bern being shocked how things works here, but seeing Polly being as much surprised is just strange.
I don't belive that system outside the colloseum works differently than the system inside of what we saw so far, money rule and everythins else is secondary and doesn't matter. It's a sick system cause a guy who has tone of money could kill someone and then just make some of his family or friends or he himself could just pay off the marks with money.

And the tasks kinda gave us who the people behind are, option 1 some perverted guys who just want to have fun with prostitute for the night and we have to admit Bern is a redhead beauty, option 2 looks to be some psycho option who wants to see a girl mutilate herself or he wants to do the deed himself as some eye fetish go.

I'm a bit scared what option 3 could be with the gradation.

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 37: Discussion
« on: May 17, 2013, 12:54:07 am »
Doesn't this whole situation set Polly's death flag kinda high?

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 36: Discussion
« on: April 11, 2013, 01:12:19 am »
Finally, I wonder how he will explain Mary change compared to what we saw happening from Mary's memories...

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 36: Discussion
« on: March 22, 2013, 02:31:43 am »
Well we will see.

I kinda hope that May will ask them about BloodyMary case where she clealy heard that it wasn't a willing happy transfomation.

But if the Thin Man(whovever that is Rhodes or Lehm) changes them anyway due thinking that's for their own good and that kinda helps them to accomplish their wants, what might be May's hidden desires?
Be liked by everyone for who she is and not for who she acts?
Make Bern open sexualy?

I doubt Maytag would wish for anything though, precisely because she understands herself. She's said before how awful she is. Rotten to the core. I get the feeling she would view herself as the worst sort of person to get the Thin Man Treatment.

I agree... unless she might consider him...'fixing' her?  Which I hope she is not pondering that.  Maytag is VERY self-aware... and I like her just the way she is!  :)
May would prefer to work on that on her own than make it by some cheat.
But who knows what her hidden subconciousness might to say about it if she would be put in the process anyway even against her will.

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 36: Discussion
« on: March 09, 2013, 01:04:32 am »
Wow, what a creep, like some version of Mad Hatter...

It really makes me wonder with how everyone on TM side tells it's all done willingly, but remembering BM gory memories it's something else completly...

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 36: Discussion
« on: February 22, 2013, 12:04:48 am »
I thought the older guy was the Thin Man...
Looks I was mistaken, well for sure the guy looks to be very thin judging from cover if he is the one in the middle.
If he experimented on people then all of his crew are similiar experiments who were a success?
I like the designs of new characters as always, variety is a nice feature here.

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Bonus Story Discussion
« on: February 13, 2013, 12:58:08 am »
Oh Bern. Why would you crush on this woman?  She's crazy.

Obviously, Polly turned out alright in the end but... sheesh.
To be true how a monogamous conservative lesbian falls in love with either goth sexy violence freak or a bisexual free love to all cheating jester, both not in Bern morality range by a mile, raises some questions ;)
Bern needs a wife which would stay at home and would cook for her and then kiss her when she would be back from bodyguard job and then had sex under the covers :P
Damn power of love...

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Bonus Story Discussion
« on: February 11, 2013, 11:44:35 pm »
And still Bern acts a bit in naive way at least looking how the past chapter played out for her...

I doubt more scars coming from punishment from Enforcers will make her change her morality and mentality, rather will strenghten that.

Also nice reminder left from a first love ;)

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Bonus Story Discussion
« on: February 05, 2013, 12:48:31 am »
Ok...
So Polly is a sorcerer?
Metal one.
Or the ball is magical weapon?
Or both?

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Bonus Story Discussion
« on: January 30, 2013, 01:46:07 am »
Yeah, it would fit the scar profile ::)

But for that to happen, Polly would need to be nagged by Bern a lot, or maybe Bern qustioning her policy will make them fight for real for the leadership of the gang, to the first blood?

Looking at them how these two started and fallen for each later, it's even more off than May and Bern becoming a loving couple :P

I just hope in future there will be some conflict between first love and a true love case, I so wanna see May discovering the feeling of jealousity...

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Bonus Story Discussion
« on: January 29, 2013, 12:49:54 am »
Oh Polly, someone will soon get a moralising speech from Bern...

I too wonder about the ball, if it's a magical weapon type, I too would not see Polly as a sorcerer type.

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Bonus Story Discussion
« on: January 24, 2013, 01:11:39 am »
I wonder if we'll find out how Bern got her scar? We know it came from Polly/Blackbird, and if this is all a flashback anyways it may be a good time for it!
That should be expected from such a backstory?
And I don't think such a scar could be done with Polly ball thingie :-\

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Bonus Story Discussion
« on: January 17, 2013, 12:11:38 am »
Nice!
I wanted to learn a bit about Polly and it seems this side chapter will give us exactly that.
Will it go as much back to tell us about Polly childhood or just her gang time?

I would bet that Bern arrival to the gang will make Polly heart brighten from the black color :-*

And the real name is Polymer Lyrica, parents must have hated her :P

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 35: Discussion
« on: January 15, 2013, 12:52:14 am »

Also I wonder what Grant will do when he will wake up sober and learn that his only daughter and/or her friend got such punishment for healing him, I still hope that guy has some spark to set up than just being old alcoholic geezer who doesn't care about anything anymore.

I don't know. I would rather Grant stay as he is.  Having some transformation into his old hero self/good father figure because Bern's sacrifice 'showed him the error of his ways'? It's a little cliche.

I would rather he continue drinking himself to death because, y'know, that happens sometimes. People destroy themselves, and there's nothing you can do to stop them, no matter how hard you try or how much you sacrifice. And I think that's an okay moral for Bern to learn.
I would want to see some positive cliche in Flipside for once ::)
Why not?

But again for story direction, if Bern would be back from her punishment just to see her father again drunk to death, damn that should be a powerful eye opener for her to modify her moral course a bit.

I suppose that too wouldn't be a bad route.
I wonder if we will get to see the scene of the torture punishment or we will just skip to after effect.

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 35: Discussion
« on: January 13, 2013, 03:59:15 am »
"Personal responsibility" was just an argument of the healer's father, not any official policy of the nation, as far as I know.
I meant it more as Bern own personal responsibility for what she did.

Also I wonder what Grant will do when he will wake up sober and learn that his only daughter and/or her friend got such punishment for healing him, I still hope that guy has some spark to set up than just being old alcoholic geezer who doesn't care about anything anymore.

He was a knight who had some skills after all, who taught Bern what she currently knows, even if that's more childish style of fightning than something real if I understand that correctly(but again why other warriors with their adult fightning style couldn't do what Bern did is too a bit amusing).

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 35: Discussion
« on: January 12, 2013, 12:19:32 am »
Oh god that will wreck Bern. And has some similarities to the whole 'Hurting May to punish Bern' thing back in the beginning with the cutting off of fingers and... breasts. But, I don't think they'll go for it.

The Enforcers don't know Bern like we do. They don't know that hurting those around her is a more effective punishment. ( Or that tossing her back and forth through a portal would be pretty punishing also. )

So they'd be hurting their Enforcer, letting Bern go 'free' and hoping that their friendship is important enough that Bern is still punished by it. Which is right, but again, they don't know that.

Why trade a definite punishment, for one that may work and also hurts your employee?
We don't know laws between Enforcers, if indeed Bern was Polly responsibility and done something bad like Polly stated it I think it could be expected that Polly could take the blame for it and with that the punishment...
But I agree, this will hurt Bern more than if she would get the punishment herself, especially if through the process Polly would get killed or heavy mutilated or become disabled...
I don't think Bern could live with herself if that happened, of course we know that all can be fixed in Iscariot as long the patient is alive...
I just hope that Bern will speak and take the punishment too, like 50/50 at least, or whole, Polly only fault is that she wasn't there but it was Bern own action of breaking Marvallo laws to heal her father(even if morally right).
Where is personal responsibility if Polly will take Bern punishment like that?

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 35: Discussion
« on: January 10, 2013, 12:13:26 am »
1000 marks?

Isn't this something similiar to death by a thousand cuts concept?

Seeing how grim this sounds it's basically slow death penalty or heavy mutilation for an assault where no one died, just 2 guys were beaten down and a free service was extorted.

Kill your law brakers and you get a clean perfect society...

So while May is being changed into some kind superior and/or monster being Bern will be either heavy beaten or cut which will leave these 1000 marks on her body...
And it seems she will take the penalty cause in her own moral code she herself thinks she broke the law as the KFC guy told her, that's why she stayed, even if it was justified by saving a person.

I can see Bern basically say Polly that she should leave her alone,and seeing this convo between Enforcers they seem tonot like each other too much...

Also from where these guys would know Polly connection to Bern?

In some way I can understand what BurnGarn said about Bern perspective in the comic, lately it's always bad things which happen to her on almost constant basis, and seeing how the plot goes the perspective seems to be even worse for the future.
But after all this comic is fueled mostly by drama revolving the main set of characters, than about happy things happening to them(I still hope Crest will get a bit of similiar treatment as Bern and May got so far) ;)

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 35: Discussion
« on: January 09, 2013, 09:42:33 am »

(Unless the 'sham' comment by Polly isn't just an insult she's using and this is, in fact, a false proceeding in some way?? )
This is something which confused me massively here, why she used such a word where the situation is pretty clear, Bern broke Marvallo law, extorted a free service and then willingly gone with Enforcers for punishment, how that can be called like that?

Especially from Polly mouth who so far was potrayed as a true supporter of this system which in her way is much better than past situation she had with her vigilante gang...
Obviously personal relation toBern plays some emotionalrole here...
Or maybe we will learn now that Enforcers, or maybe citizens here, are too some kind of corrupted bunch which fabricates evidence or confessions to get people to pay them for crimes they didn't do?
Few fake witnesses, some naive visitors to this country and everyone can be arrested to pay up for their "crimes".

Maybe t wil be explainedbeter with today's update.

Also I too hope that there will be some consequences of Bern action, than just Polly saving her route.

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 35: Discussion
« on: January 08, 2013, 12:22:45 am »
Oh. This latest page made me love Bernadette a little bit more.

I really like this arc.
Yeah, surprisingly in a way she managed to stay true to her own moral code...
She's done a bad thing, so she simply waited to be punished for it.
I kinda expected she would try to run away at least leaving this country and it's laws.

And now we see men in black edition, I wonder what the punishment for such crime as Bern did is here, she extorted a free pricy service out of a healer by threatening her, and then willingly got arrested.
I rather doubt that courts exist here, I also kinda doubt Polly would get Bern out of the hook, cause that would make the chapter pointless, so I think Bern will need to pay the price of her own morally good doings.
If all is defined by money here, then in some way Bern will need to give them back that amount she had "stolen".

From other side if this system would kill every criminal, then it would be quite effective in keeping everything correct to their standard.

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 35: Discussion
« on: December 22, 2012, 07:15:57 am »
I wouldn't look everywhere for some evil plots like that...

Polly left Bern side earlier, and left a message saying she's gone to do some Enforcers business, she didn't know Bern father will be dying next day, she couldn't know.

But we saw that Polly is supporter of this system and is working so it would stay like this...

About theory that the Thin Man is the creator of this Marvallo system and it's ruler?
That would connect everything nicely.


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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 35: Discussion
« on: December 21, 2012, 12:02:18 am »

Of course, having Bern try to force help out of people with the use of violence was a disservice to her cause. And maybe this is where you were going that I didn't catch on to.

Yeah, I'm not saying she was right or wrong, depends on your point of view.  When it comes to stories with moral dilemna, it's no good if it's easy to figure out the right thing to do.
I like that about the comic when most of things go more into gray area, which can't be clearly admitted to be white or black.

Even whole issue and dynamics between May and Bern relationship and problems can be easily backed up from one of the sides, and both sides can be right depending on perspective.
I won't hide I'm more in a Bern camp of moral standards and monogamy in relationships area as my personal taste go, and she and her problems are something I can relate with more easily(I too love women and have a gf, regardless of gender issues) than supporting a cheating bisexual jester or a grumpy boy as Crest is ;)
Also if I ever was in Bern shoes I would confront May about the cheating long time ago and gave her an ultimatum then, and dump if she would not want to accept it, Bern is a saint for that she didn't do it and instead lived in misery knowing that the girl she loves each time she goes out is cheating on her(that makes you wonder if they have knowledge of STD there), or simply loves May way too much she doesn't deserves initially.
Let's say I'm one of the people who think that break-up would do good for both of them, even if temporary, they could taste new things then and see that they really want only each other...

Also about this Marvallo society, it seems to be based on extreme version of libertarianism, the state only use enforcers to protect it's citizens from harm and violence, every individual can do whatever he wants and is not forced to do anything if not wanted, in a way that's a total freedom on paper, but only gifted individuals which can manage on their own and offer something to society will be able to live in it and survive.
In the basics that is a perfect society, but as we see in this case of Bern sick father, it can backfire for individuals who can't afford medical help due to their poverty issues.
In a way such society should with time eliminate beggars, poor, disabled and all other individuals who can't cope and live in such setting by hard default standards.
The funny thing is that on top in such society should be the most wealthy person or group of people who would set it up like that, since as Brion said, they don't even need to pay taxes, and we see that this society doesn't have any kind of social or health care.
And from what Polly said the Enforcers are working for the guy who seems to be the "ruler" of this place. I suppose for Polly who lived here and see how the streets look now under this new set of rules and how it looked in the past, the system is quite good.

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 35: Discussion
« on: December 15, 2012, 12:35:43 am »
What if Bern here took another approach and used the guys logic against him?
Everyone has personal responsibility, and his daughter agreed upon it to perfom a task for agreed price after agreed amount of time passed.
But without any notice she called that deal off by throwing Grant out and in a way pushing Bern into this violent situation not even trying to wait.

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 35: Discussion
« on: December 14, 2012, 06:42:05 am »
Except you can't prove it's a magical sword. If Bern had the other then maybe though.
But Grant sold his sword, and for money he bought booze and women for some long time it seems which killed his liver, so actually it would point that even one sword is a really pricy artifact to get.

Oh yeah. Good point.

I wonder... if someone FROM Marvallo was in this situation... would they just give up and let their father die? People keep on saying "Go get more money", so would their response just be, "I should have had more money?". Is this a country of people desperately collecting money at every turn, so that they'll be prepared?

I'm guessing there aren't banks or insurance companies so...

If your house burns down, if you fall sick, if you lose your savings for whatever reason... You're just out of luck? That's it?

That seems like such a nerve wracking way to live.
I wouldn't go so far after seeing today's update, but it seems there's no society laws here at all, aside of that no violence law.
So everyone is for themselves, we can expect that families or friends help each other pro bono, but all other strangers or even worse outsiders?
They are out of luck if they don't have the mney up front.

We know that Polly will be back in one day, I'm really curious how deep Bern will bury herself here before that, I hope it will be the rogue wanted criminal route :P

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 35: Discussion
« on: December 11, 2012, 01:18:08 am »
Except you can't prove it's a magical sword. If Bern had the other then maybe though.
But Grant sold his sword, and for money he bought booze and women for some long time it seems which killed his liver, so actually it would point that even one sword is a really pricy artifact to get.

I will just blame the whole pressure of the situation for Bern to not be able to think this through, and just panicked going with threat route.

Now since Colonel Sanders entered the scene I see it can go in three ways...
Bern will give up since her father got cured, he didn't break any laws, and Bern will take whole blame on herself.
Maybe she will continue this longer and become wanting criminal with her father on her side to escape from this country jurisdiction.
Or after explaining her situation they will work things out without involving the Enforcers.

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 35: Discussion
« on: December 05, 2012, 11:58:20 pm »
I guess it's a typo in the image link, showing Chapter 34 Page 19 instead of Chapter 35 page 19.
Seems to be a typo then...

Who else hears the theme from "Bodyguard" going where the healer ask Bern to be her hired help instead of these guys to enforce her safety/business?
I'm kinda curious if Bern will go fully with the threat now.

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 35: Discussion
« on: December 04, 2012, 12:59:16 am »
I'm not gonna lie, I can't wait for this arc to end. I'm not a big fan of Grant as a character and Bern shackling herself to him, even as her father, is wearing thin on me.
I think there's no single person, Bern included, who likes Grant current character...
But I think that Bern would do the same not only for Grant but to a total stranger which she would stumble upon dying on the street where no one else would try to help him/her.
That's her own moral code, which seems to overwrite the law codes of this materialistic country.
I like seeing that Bern decided on the drastic kind of action.

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 35: Discussion
« on: December 01, 2012, 12:21:43 am »
I have no idea if Bern would view it this way but...

Refusal to help someone who's dying can be considered 'murder' in a way. So, threatening the healer with violence in order to stop her from 'murdering' her father by letting him die... that might just be okay in Bern's eyes.
In a way it is, and I think that Bern now could snap and make her own version of justice against the healer, injure the guards and then force the healer with a sword against her throat to do the deed, but that at the same time would mean she broke this place only law, her own code too, and could become a wanted criminal with a personal responsibility to take care off...
That's one of the directions.
I'll admit I didn't expect the healer to make such move, she in a way is forcing Bern to act and cornering her, may it be just a form of extreme negotiatons?
She knew right away that Bern didn't have money and that she couldn't get it in the time so why she even agreed to keep the old guy?
Also as totally crazy prediction, maybe Bern could try to robe Polly house for the money out of desperation?

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