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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 50: Discussion
« on: April 22, 2018, 09:52:31 pm »
This is why I say Emily Blunt and not say... Catherine Hepburn.

A voice which is soft and feminine but yet somehow rugged.

I actually think Mariah Carey, honestly, is a better sample of May though. Sorta sexy, something of a diva, sometimes deadpan (calmly saying "I will hunt you down" in this song), and a little strange (unicorns).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9b8erWuBA44

Especially feel this video on the Crest date.

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 50: Discussion
« on: April 22, 2018, 04:48:56 am »
I can imagine Bern having a kinda deep voice, sounding kinda tomboy. Kinda like Emily Blunt.

Maytag I can imagine her with a more versatile voice, something kinda like one of those girls that puts on a much higher voice on the phone, and kinda more sexy when they are playing it that way, and deadpan when they've stopped acting. Kinda Lady Gaga (puh puh pokerface) or something.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8lz7obvHTo

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 50: Discussion
« on: April 16, 2018, 04:07:40 pm »
Open to debate.

Crest and Suspiria had about one or two hangout scenes before her change. They were kinda just friends though.

Suspiria does kind of like Crest, but there's also a healthy dose of Replacement Goldfish.

http://flipside.keenspot.com/comic.php?i=1171
http://flipside.keenspot.com/comic.php?i=1235

Crest on the other hand... didn't appear to be under a love spell. Most of his behavior was fairly normal (kinda a shy next-door neighbor romance), except for his drive to train. I couldn't figure out where that came from.

http://flipside.keenspot.com/comic.php?i=1145

(I don't see anyone under a charm spell getting this argumentative)

http://flipside.keenspot.com/comic.php?i=1241


Moby, it felt like she was acting out Suspiria's feelings, it was really super-obvious that something was wrong. Crest? Not as much, anyway.

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 50: Discussion
« on: April 05, 2018, 02:49:37 pm »
I won't confirm or deny anything, but I just have to say something about Occam's Razor.  it only makes sense to use it for real world problems.  I see people use it all the time to analyze fiction, and it makes no sense to use it that way.  Fiction does not comform to the "simplest explanation is usually the best" rule, not at all!  Fiction is often contrived, complex, convoluted.  In fact, even when it's trying to hide it's contrivances, it's always at least a little contrived.  Writers certainly don't choose plots on the basis of "the simplest answers," they choose whatever seems interesting or exciting.

If anything you'd be better off using Opposite Occam's Razor for fiction.  "The most complicated answer is usually correct."  That's probably true more of the time!

I would call it Tolkien's Dagger. "Whatever answer is most in line with what the author wants, complicated or not, is usually what will happen." So named for the fact that Tolkien's work was almost certain to exactly include whatever he planned, in his case mostly being an excessive amount of history and linguistic information, Norse myth with Christian overtones, and stealth humor (Bag End represented a cul de sac in England filled with old people).

Which effectively also means Dan Shive's work will feature a huge amount of transformations and esp gender stuff :-*, while Tom Siddons will have creepy imagery and high level philosophy  :-X, and Brion Foulke will tend to keep you guessing with false leads.  ???   

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Perhaps...that's the key to her sanity as Crest 'seems' to be the one person unaffected by her reality warping?  Because... Suspiria loves him...

Indirectly unaffected.

Moby is basically acting as a proxy for Suspiria's feelings. She's one horny gal.

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 50: Discussion
« on: March 30, 2018, 02:38:06 pm »
Comments in blue


BUT case in point here... Melter's 'claims' don't have to have ANY conclusive evidence cause his proof is 'oh your rewriting reality subconsciously so facts and memories are not going to prove anything... just trust what I'm saying is true.

WHY should Suspiria believe him at all?  He has brought no hard evidence to support his claims and if he was interested in convincing her she is mistaken.. why did he not just bring her living parents there to speak to her?  IF he knows her parents are alive and he wants to convince her that she has rewritten the conclave's memories why didn't he do that in the first place?

Sure he does. A theory that is true had a viable explanation for everything. A lie? Well, it's like Columbo says. A lie is like a puzzle, where the puzzle pieces don't match up. Reason for hair extensions? Check. Reason why the town and its inhabitants are strange? Check. Reason for a sudden spike in power? Check.

Plus, Suspiria is all "that's not true, that's impossible" on this. She'll have to search her feelings cuz she knows it to be true.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pw2sex1mJNI


AGAIN.. why is it so complicated that SHE, Suspiria, is the one making the Conclave ALL of them behave like scheming evil murderers and NOT the conclave leader as well ~ by "altering their memories unconsciously"... if memories CAN be altered that way...

Occam's Razor ~ Is it STILL not simpler that Qtalda ~ who has motivation, and power to do so has CONSCIOUSLY altered everyone's memories to serve her own purpose to conceal HER murder of Suspiria's parents?

I keep telling people. Occam's Razor is not unassailable. "If you hear hoofbeats, expect horses, not zebras." But what if you live in an area where zebras are common? What if there is reason why things are different from the most reasonable result?

As far as Qtalda's concerned, she is still an evil bitch. But this doesn't obstruct the real issue. Suspiria's power being out of control


If I were Suspiria I'd then say bring forth these people who claim to be my parents and let me question them... if memories can be altered and people EVEN brought back to life by magic... let me question them and see for myself if they actually are my parents or if that is simply what they've been mind altered to believe!

Honestly.. this ALL seems like the writer trying to write himself out of a plot hole... not a serious criticism it happens.. but the drama of Suspiria taking on the entire Conclave and winning was a real high point in the story as far as I'm concerned.. and I'm not so willing to "let it go in favor of a new direction"... without good solid storytelling to justify it.  THIS just all seems too Deus Ex-Machina...to me.


Actually, the whole deal isn't Deus ex Machina, because we had clear setup to this. She was OP and steadily growing in power, they actually showed all of this stuff.

Suspiria resenting Qtalda for kidnapping her from her family
Hatred of the Conclave
Lack of emotional control
Melter literally mentions the Seed of Potential well before she kills the Conclave
CS3 confirms that there is another side of the world, with apparently differences in magic

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 50: Discussion
« on: March 28, 2018, 11:32:47 am »
Known liar???

He uhhh normally doesn't speak that much at all.

He's a known thug (basically killing everyone in a room to get to May), but I can't remember him outright lying, like ever.

He's an artificial human, but this doesnt seem to translate into dishonesty.

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 50: Discussion
« on: March 28, 2018, 03:30:17 am »
Occam's Razor is that magic does exist, until proven otherwise.

1. Lehm's power is not the truth, it is simply a magical device for recording truth. The distinction is there, given that which great power comes great insanity.
2. Eye seems unconvinced of the existence of Qualia, as does CS3.
3. In fact, the only conclusive link to Qualia would be with Qtalda's microorganisms that eat human flesh, and she doesn't seem to know either.

Given this, it is possible the brush just spit out a random theory. Maybe not probable, but possible.

It's like this. If we could wave a magical paintbrush and know the truth, all would be great, but reality doesn't work that way. In fact, there is an entire branch of knowledge known as methodology, that figures out "how do we KNOW what we know?" Sadly, this system has fallen into disrepair, as evidenced by religion and philosophy webforums.

Further, we do know that fourth level has to do with mastering one's emotions, and Lehm as a 3rd level truth specialist also would have gotten in there without breaking any seals. Meaning his concept of the truth could very well be influenced by his emotions.

I'm not gonna talk about Melter yet. I gotta head to work soon.

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 50: Discussion
« on: March 26, 2018, 09:41:57 pm »
If her head 'no pun intended', has not been messed with by Lehm 'Thin-man' and Company... then there is no reason not to suspect that the events that Crest witnessed did not proceed as we saw in the comic.  HE WAS there when the Enclave ADMITTED to siding with Qtalda in killing her parents to gain control of her.  If I recall correctly, they even threatened to 'take care of' Crest for witnessing it all as they effectively told the Enclave leader he was a mere puppet-head and they had been doing things on Qtalda's orders for some time

I think Kamui is correct. She's not controlling this. It's more like... she hates Qtalda so Qtalda becomes the villain. This does not mean Qtalda is blameless, he could very well STILL be a manipulative asshole, but Qtalda didnt kill her parents. Or did, but part of reality warping involves temporal reversion (an alt revive effect). She remembers her parents killed  but then these strangers that looked like them came along and she figures they arent real when actually they died and she reverted them.

Here's the weird part though. She's saying he's a liar. The temptation is to think he is lying about her powers, but that part actually makes sense. What I think she thinks he's lying about is the timeline. The "fake" parents probably showed up before Danzig so she reasons this is the issue with this story. It isn't though. Reality warping as I said includes temporal reversion. So... what if later Suspiria gained control of her power, and realizing she headed down a dark path without her parents around, decided to bring them back to give herself a different path. Would it look like she got altered before then? Yes. But actually, it's her trying to do herself a favor that she doesnt yet underrstand.

Sunphoenix, that's easy. Because if he is being truthful, he knows that to make her see sense requires someone who cares for her and vice versa making it plausible.

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 50: Discussion
« on: March 14, 2018, 10:12:49 pm »
Lemme guess... she kinda would have failed all of them if she didn't push through somehow.

Her temper flareups especially vs the Conclave and old classmates.

The fact that these spikes have appeared is probably a good indicator her sense of self is not in control.

And the reality distortions... and probably her doing. As is her inability to distinguish whether her parents are alive or dead.

I don't think she needs to take a de facto dissolving test, so much as understand what each test represents. When she does this, her power is back under rein. Until she manages it, she might have backfires (wanting to create ice, and getting fire) or unconscious magic happening around her.

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 50: Discussion
« on: March 13, 2018, 06:33:54 pm »
Let's put it this way.

Western area is normally capped at level 3 due to some limitation in how they use magic. Seed of power normally at 4.

They sorta talked about Potency, and how even two level 3 wizards aren't necessarily as good as each other.

http://flipside.keenspot.com/comic.php?i=537

Look at Noventia. While she was Level 3, Suspiria's Potency was almost double hers (likewise Regina to Moss, and Dice to Noventia), so Level 3 to 4 is not just an incremental, but potentially exponential increase in power. 

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 50: Discussion
« on: March 13, 2018, 04:03:09 am »
Or.. considering what we know of the world's "true" nature of magic... those spurs are nano-reserve/production factories that either construct and/or store more Qualia than any normal person would have access to.  But you are right Suspiria, may very well be a Level 6 Sorcerer!

I hope Crest gets to kiss her before she vanishes again... she needs some one to tell her she is NOT a monster!

I, at least, think she's beautiful... strange and out of the ordinary... but no less in need of OR deserving of love.

Called it! High five!  ;D

And I think so too.

 I also think this is part of the current issue right now with all the weirdness going down. Bloody Mary is responsible for some stuff, but it's kinda like... someone with enough power lying around that they can unconsciously control the weather, only they are so moody that instead of the day being normal and sunny, it goes from sun the day before, to damp weather to a sudden freak snowstorm.

I think what Melter is getting at is there is alot of power to her, but as she is used to being lower level, the sudden bloom of her power means much of it is ambient reality warping energy that isnt really well-controlled. So in some ways, until she gets herself calmed down, alot of what she does is probasbly passively bdangerous for those she loves.

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 50: Discussion
« on: March 09, 2018, 04:20:46 pm »
I've thinking she's pushed herself beyond 3rd, 4th, and probably even 5th. Her symptoms are probably like when an athlete pushes beyond inhibitors and rips muscles. Her brain has created spurs because her power is overextended.

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 50: Discussion
« on: February 28, 2018, 12:32:49 pm »
I wonder if what they really did with her mind is fix it to a certain reality. As in, the random people in the town don't notice it changing, Crest and Regina notice because stuff happened and their minds are able to notice reality when it changes phase. Suspiria is able to see one reality, and if it changes, she doesn't.

So in the case of Suspiria's parents dying:
1. The townspeople would believe whatever their current reality said to believe, instantly overwriting when stuff changes. In the reality where the parents died, they might feel bad, otherwise they think she is crazy.
2. Crest and Gang notice stuff like outfits and architecture and the number of deaths changing, but also see distinct realities. That is, Crest would believe Crest's parents are still alive because he saw them, but also would be able to observe a reality where they weren't alive.
3. Suspiria, no matter what reality she lives in, has memories from one reality (we'll call it Reality 3a). In Reality 3a, she knows her parents died, and evidence to the contrary in this reality she decides is nonsense.
 

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 50: Discussion
« on: February 27, 2018, 08:40:41 pm »
I am still not convinced that Thin Man is behind this! This whole deal feels like some sort of internal coup with one of the members of the council trying to take all the power for themselves and make it look like someone else killed them off.

-Melter gave Regina advice on lucid dreaming.
-Then there are all these weird parallel universe events.
-There's that hole... I don't like the look of that pit at all.

Given that Melter seems not to be hiding stuff, this seems to rule him out. Suspiria too, she's not sure what's happening. Thin Man's a specialist. It's tempting to blame him for all the world's problems but the truth is, he can only use the paintbrush. Psycho chef makes monsters, but this doesn't look like the sort of magic she would have.

Something weird is going on. 

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 50: Discussion
« on: February 20, 2018, 03:29:28 am »
There's two options. Along way back, to get Crest and the others to believe in the whole  Suspiria's parents are still alive thing Qtalda mind-controlled Crest and the others. Spells sometimes have side-effects and this is a paranoid halucination. Regina is seeing something different. This also accounts for the other three having strange behavior esp the suicide.

There are dimensional side-effects through keeping a portal open like that, and one of them is unstable reality. Suspiria for all her power, cannot see through different dimension so Crest seems crazy to her.

These are not mutually exclusive btw. Both can be true.

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 50: Discussion
« on: February 11, 2018, 09:59:41 pm »
Glad you liked!  ;D

Also, it looks like time for a breakup.

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
« on: January 31, 2018, 06:08:03 pm »
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So, yeah, looking forward to seeing Suspiria face off with Melter, potentially with a fully-developed Bloody Mary by her side, but I suspect that they will be pwned by him.

Probably Jossed.

Melter helped Regina get that creepy crystal ball thingy and stuff.

And we've got at least some evidence that the Thin Man is a hero with bad reputation. His main crime is creating the X-Men (so to speak, they're monsters, but their powers are nothing to scoff at) and trying to reveal the truth (possibly stuff like this).

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 50: Discussion
« on: January 26, 2018, 04:38:33 am »
Judging from the picture, Brion's obviously on an acid trip... 😂

Pffft.  ;D

Also, at what point did... maybe it's just me, but I seem to remember the first chapter being called The Pit.  Which, in light of what is happening (towns changing suddenly), is unbelievably meta.

I'm reminded strongly of Bravely Default: Where The Fairy Flies


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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
« on: January 17, 2018, 08:05:42 pm »
Reality HAS been resetting itself. They just haven't noticed it until now.

https://youtu.be/iD-9xaUlg9Y?t=2m11s

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
« on: January 10, 2018, 02:18:23 am »
Each iteration ends with them looking into that crystal ball. And begins at town.

But is Brion really wanted to mess with us, he'd send Crest back to Chapter 1.

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
« on: January 01, 2018, 02:45:51 pm »
I still think he's helping her.

Regina is probably causing this. Also, Melter is creepy.


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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
« on: December 17, 2017, 09:22:07 pm »
I seriously think he's here to help.  :-* Telling her about lucid dreaming, cuz this is some sort of dream distortion that makes people behave weird.

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
« on: December 14, 2017, 08:02:22 am »
I don't get what your saying here..

How is Crest being a jerk by refusing unwanted sexual contact that is about to be forced upon HIM? 
How is HE being a jerk by reminding Moby what she'd already rejected as 'Not the way she is'.. {ie. being Rapey}?

I think your seeing what you want to see.. projecting your hang up on his wording, onto the situation instead of any actual character flaw on Crest's part.

He's not being a jerk by refusing unwanted sexual contact. That's being assertive. He's being a jerk for wrecking her emotionally by driving the point home over and over again that she's behaving out of character.

http://flipside.keenspot.com/comic.php?i=3353

He could have stopped here. This (or just refusing to give the person raping any enjoyment), would probably be what Maytag would do.
Actually, tbh Maytag's patented approach to life is the acceptance technique, so she might even LET her rapist do whatever, just to deny him any enjoyment of having her resist (most rapists are also sadists).

But he didn't. He went on for two pages, telling a woman who is doped up on magical juices, how there's something "wrong" with her. When the two other messed up characters are about to stab themselves, having a third led to extreme guilt and shame is not a very "not a jerk" thing to do. I can't see this ending well, unless someone can break this effect.

Also, Crest has known Moby, what, two weeks? Where does he get off telling her what is or isn't her, after one date? There is definitely something wrong here, but I think that thinking Crest is unaffected is wrong. It's an Amplify spell.

  • Deadpan smoker got more deadpan
  • Vennice is more guilty about her treatment of Suspiria
  • Crest is more of a judgemental  jerk
  • Moby is a bigger rapist
  • Glyph is more upset about his player nature
  • Regina is stuck in a dream world with Melter

If we have someone not affected, it would be Regina, not Crest. Crest has probably caused Moby to later pull out her own knife.

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
« on: December 13, 2017, 03:10:15 pm »

Seeing how Crest dealt with Moby like a true Maytag would it's rather the 2nd easy one happening, but maybe i still cling to some hope that what happens started with the characters having these ugly feelings inside and the magic just made it stronger than it being complete mind control evil magic to do bad things. Also since we don't see what other two, meaning Vennice and Glyph, are doing with the knives, seeing Moby was defeated by Crest eyes and voice already, that should be more interesting to see as a result, especially since Glyph has someone to stop him in that moment, while Vennice was looking like someone who will cut her veins alone in the room to just bleed out without anyone noticing.

Seeing the result of Crest vs Moby I'm just disappointed, since I hoped Crest wouldn't get out of it so easy like usual, but maybe that's the boon of being the only male MC in this comic.

Since Regina seems to be in a dark zone, I assume she is actually asleep. Especially since she didn't respond much in the latter part. So, odds on him getting saved are not as good as you'd think.

Also, I willing to lay 10:1 odds that Lehm is NOT the bad guy in this story. It seems more like someone is running the government, from a sadistic kick of messing with people.

You might want to relook at Crest.

http://flipside.keenspot.com/comic.php?i=1437
http://flipside.keenspot.com/comic.php?i=1441

He is not resisting and being a hero like Maytag. It amplified his jerkishness. Which just happened to screw with Moby's own issues.

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
« on: December 12, 2017, 12:14:12 pm »
Plot Twist: Brion's not really writing the story post Eye arc. Someone's mind is filling in the blanks sorta like Lehm's paintbrush.  :o

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
« on: December 10, 2017, 04:03:42 pm »
I'm not saying it isn't out of character.

I'm saying as a victim of a few "this isn't like you" moments and others where someone tried to guilt-trip me into certain behavior (biggest sore point for me is people who believe I'm a nice person also meaning I'm a pushover when they do exploitative behavior), there is a difference between similar and identical behavior. Not to mention there's moments sometimes, where you've promised to just keep friends... but then you get drunk, and are horny, and that's a bit more difficult.

But yeah, it's obviously a psychological spell.

Update: I still feel this way, even after trying to help a friend who was very much out of character. I don't feel like that's a cool thing to say even if it's the case.

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
« on: December 10, 2017, 04:21:53 am »
i have an issue with this scene. Remember how I had issue with the rape? It's the same deal. Crest is guilty of the same thing that Moby is trying to do to her "this is what you want/this is not what you want, do this, do this instead." I'm sure all of you have read Green Eggs and Ham. How much sympathy did you feel with Sam I Am? If you're anything like me, you'd say "none." The guy bullies ppl tell them that this is what they REALLY want until they break down and try the thing. Did (what's his name) enjoy the eggs at Sam I Am's request, or did he merely humor the guy at vain attempt to finally be left alone. What kind of story is it where anyone is supposed to identify with the bully (hence the fact that Sam I Am is named wehile the other guy is just another victim in his worldwide quest to enslave all others under the banner of green eggs and ham :D )? No, nobody deserves to be raped, no one also deserves to be told what is and isn't their decision.

Spells like this can't generate something that isn't already there. She does have feelings for him, the difference is the intensity is distorted by magic. So telling her that her feelings, her decisions aren't real, is basicaly denying her agency. We have the right to make poor decisions based on our personal feelings, without being told "this isn't you" and led down a narrow path, just as we have the right not to be raped.

Yeah, I know this is a rant. But it's something similar to what I heard in church a couple weeks ago. Someone was praying when they had prayers and concerns, for her friend who had decided to skip the last round of chemo and instead pursue alt medicine, "I pray that she will see the error of her ways." I don't think you get to pray that kind of thing. Pray that even though you don't agree with it, it turns out okay. But don't pray for mind control.

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
« on: November 27, 2017, 06:46:50 pm »
Pffft, fairness.

Somewhere I have a FB post of three ppl stuck in... fecal matter.

One has significantly less than the others, and the two squawk at this, saying it's unfair that he isn't in as much as them. The point he immediately brings up is "shouldn't we be trying to find a way OUT of this crap?" It was a joke, but pretty spot on. When we tear down people who are actively trying to fix things, what good have we really done?

I happen to be white, but I give to charities and at my job I try to help all kinds of people out. I am not rich by any stretch, but people who would accuse me of "white privilege" and take my last dime would succeed only in making one less person help them out.

Crest does not deserve to be raped. Nor did May deserve to be stripped naked, or Bern/Polly to be sexually and financially abused. Life does happen, but we much never believe rape is part of "justice".

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
« on: November 24, 2017, 01:55:53 pm »
Geez, you're rough!  :o

Also, not entirely true. This trope is common because men tend to have self-induced guilt for their entire gender for what the worst ones do.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DoubleStandardAbuseFemaleOnMale
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/UsefulNotes/Abuse

It's generally seen as hard or impossible to abuse men, but this is simply not true.

Bottom line, even if it were equal, Crest doesn't deserve this stuff any more than they did.


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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
« on: November 24, 2017, 05:21:48 am »
Oh don't misunderstand, I'm not saying I want someone like Glyph to off themselves. The exact opposite actually. I'm saying "feeling remorseful" doesn't tend to go well with "staying alive." Even though typically remorseless characters are likely the ones that everyone wants to kill off in either case.

Unless they've got an axe to grind. I've been watching Hollywood try to defend these molesters, and it's a prudish standard for us common folk but for Weinstein, who probably is unrepentant of all the people who screwed (literally), they defend him because they owe their jobs to him.

Also, I really really hate Moby. Even though Crest kinda does need to understand that his early behavior to Maytag wasn't cool. He was kinda all "let's make out" even after she was like... actually, I need to re-read this part to see if Crest remotely deserves any of this, but I'm gonna bet odds on "not a chance in hell."

http://flipside.keenspot.com/comic.php?i=195

Gasp, I knew it! Crest is evil.  ;D It looks like the only thing Crest is guilty of is being too decent (not a compliment, he basically told her that she's scum for cheating on her boyfriend).   

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