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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 44: Discussion
« on: October 15, 2015, 06:10:45 pm »
It looks like she's trying to weigh up exactly how much this whole shebang is worth to Lehm.  He offered 20, she raises to 50 and he'll make the deal.  If she then makes it to the middle and finds the answer Lehm is looking for, I wonder if she won't try to raise the stakes even higher. 

As for how she'll get there.  There's any number of possibilities.  We already know she's unique in that she can effectively shut off emotions if she's prepared to.  I don't the the acceptance technique is the only card up her sleeve.  I think she can go back to her childhood mask if she needs to.  Go to land of despair, limit emotional output and keep on walking.

Another alternative would possibly be lucid dreaming.  They've all described this as a dream, where the dream becomes your reality.  If may is able to lucid dream at will, and considering her pyschology it really wouldn't surprise me, she may be able to remember she's in the dream and keep on walking.

Or the third alternative, which is cheating the system, doing something to herself such that she's forced to keep on walking, maybe self hypnosis, maybe a thumbtack in the front of her shoe, who knows. 

But in all likelyhood it's none of the above.

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 44: Discussion
« on: September 25, 2015, 07:03:36 pm »
Honestly looking at this, I can see why May did so well in the second phase. 

First phase was fear which can't be ignored because it's magical fear, the acceptance technique would never work because it's magically induced as she said, and the fatigue was a bi-product of that fear.

The second phase being pain however, even if magically induced, can be ignored with the acceptance technique, and more on point, because May realised instantly that the harm wasn't permanent she could use it to experiment, feel degrees of pain whilst knowing that no real harm will come to her.  It's not about facing your mortalitiy because you know you aren't going to die, after that it's acknowledging what pain feels like and accepting that pain.

I actually wonder if this is some kind of warrior training.  Phase one forces you to face a fear that cannot be faced, whilst pushing you to a physical limit.  The second phase builds on that fear with physical pain, but no actual harm comes to you so it's learning to fight on in spite of the pain, or in maytags case become accustomed to it.

It's not something somebody who's emotionally dead can deal with, but somebody who has near perfect control of their emotions could.

I wonder if stage 3 will be something akin to a full psychological assault.  Phase 1 is artificial fear, phase 2 is artificial pain.  What if phase 3 is more real than that, showing you what you truely fear the most, causing pain in ways that affect you not only physically but psychologically.

While May can ignore the pain happening to herself, what if phase three were to be something along the lines of visions of Bernadette being raped and tortured, even if she knows it isn't real, I don't think May would be able to ignore it. 

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 44: Discussion
« on: September 14, 2015, 10:49:06 am »
I'm wondering now if each phase is a different set of stats

Phase 1 was endurance and willpower.
Phase 2 might be intelligence and dexterity considering how easily may managed to get through.

Those are what I'd consider Mays primary stats, (if this were D&D) and I imagine that each phase of the cell may challenge two different aspects of a persons physical and mental traits. 

So perhaps some kind of illusions (which we know may is very apt at overcoming) and some kind of dexterity involvement, perhaps in this case the rolls are reversed, the physical challenge is the obvious one, and the mental challenge is the subtle aspect.  As an example an axe swinging down towards you, a normal person would jump to the side to dodge, whilst May might notice in the split second that there's no sound from it, or the reflections aren't right and deduce it's an illusion.  The person who deduces the illusion can pass on, whilst the one who dodges is forced out of phase 2.

Of course there would have to be real obstacles also which would also explain why each phase gets progressively more dangerous.

If this is true (and it probably isn't, I'm guessing here) I'd say phase 3 is strength and charisma, although how the hell you test charisma I don't know, and I doubt very much May will be able to pass a strength test, but who knows.

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 44: Discussion
« on: September 09, 2015, 03:21:54 pm »
Well from the latest chapter the fear can't be ignored at all, although the stamina sapping was sort of accurate.  Thing is looking back at it I should have clicked sooner.

Fear is a fight of flight response, a deer in the headlights isn't afraid, it's shocked, two similar but different emotions.  The fact that may couldn't respond with either fight or flight, and just collapsed should have been the indicator that something else was wrong.

I suppose it's a bit like when you get emotionally exerted, you lose a fair amount of your strength.

The entire test though seems to be about deception, and tricks.  The recruitment test was seeing if she could resist magic, she was able to resist the bath in danzigs castle, and she was able to resist the fear generated by bloody mary.

She was able to get past the bath with sheer force of will, likewise with bloody mary she got past her blood puke with willpower and the acceptance technique, and if it weren't for her willpower she wouldn't have gotten past the fear enough to notice the endurance sapping. 

But as for phase 2, there's been no indication of what it could possibly be.  If phase 1 was seeing past the magical fear, and noticing the endurance sapping, I wonder if phase 2 is some other deception. 

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 44: Discussion
« on: September 08, 2015, 10:37:49 am »
Ah, so maybe it's actually a two pronged attack.  The primary one that everyone notices is the fear, which is also what they kept trying to keep her focused on by emphasising the masks, and the emotional coldness.  But at the same time as well as the crippling fear (which may very well be voided through meditation) there's also a physical pressure too.

I imagine it might actually be endurance sapping or something.  The first time may went in she was paralyzed by the fear, then she made it in 6 steps, and then it kept going down each time. 

All she was doing during that time was lying in bed / sitting down, and then going in to that room once, then going back to her room to rest. 

By spending that time walking around aimlessly she was actually building up her endurance slightly, so when she went back to the room she bypassed the fear and had enough endurance to make it past without collapsing. 

So rather than the fear making her collapse, it was actually her stamina being drained away, and the fear was just a mask covering it.

I actually wonder, they said she passed the first two phases of dark cell.  I'm wondering if, rather than being a case of as you go further in, you encounter a new barrier, its that as you go in, one drops and the others intensify.

Phase one would be the endurance sapping, phase two would be fear.  The reason they were distracting her with the masks etc was to make her look inwards and come to an understanding of her fears, so they were distracting her from phase one to focus on phase two.

She made it past phase 1, and by that point she'd already come to terms with her fears so was no longer effected by phase 2 either.  Which only leaves phase 3. 


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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 44: Discussion
« on: September 07, 2015, 03:57:56 pm »
I actually wonder somewhat if maytag has some degree of high functioning autism.  She certainly displayed some (exaggerated) traits in the earlier comics of her childhood. 

As articles state, many people with HFA want to interact with others, but just don't know how as it doesn't come to them naturally.  She has said herself that she learnt how to interact with others, studied how they react and built her personalities around those facts to appeal to as many areas as possible.  And like all things those acts formed habits which formed a more natural personality for her. 

Just a theory mind you. 

What I'm wondering right now is (spoiler) what the hell her body type could have to do with dark cell. 

For a while I thought that her sudden epiphany about phase 1 was to do with meditation, she had all this emotional baggage in her mind that rhodes and marcie kept poking with a stick, bringing it to the foreground.  Once that emotional baggage was out the way dark cell wouldn't have anything to feed on to increase her fear.  Which is also why I thought she'd sat down when she walked in there, so she could meditate on her thoughts while feeling that fear, and monitor whether the fear subsided as she resolved those issues.

But seriously, that body type thing, what on earth could that have to do with it?  Does dark cell affect short people more than tall people? 

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 42: Discussion
« on: February 21, 2015, 04:56:27 am »
As aside, hope Polly doesn't leap in to help Bern and get killed redshirt style in order to give Bern her motivation to win.

That's actually kind've what I expect to happen in a way.  Warden just said that bern getting sexed would give her a hatred for the coliseum, a hatred she'd hone into a blade and become an unstoppable warrior.  Something that polly only helped dull further.

I reckon the fight is going to start and either polly, or berns father are going to step in and get cut down in front of bern at which point we'll see some kind of magic empowered super saiyan bern with whirlling swords of death and destruction.

And considering the point system they use for this, kill 3 s ranks, in a single battle, I imagine she'd rack up the points pretty quickly, and if she is that powerful they'd probably start hurling her into more slaughter matches, many of them vs one of her so she'd be paid off silly fast and out of there in no time.

Just my hunch (she can't stay in there forever after all)

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Intermission 30: Special Voting Thread!
« on: February 21, 2015, 04:50:57 am »
Not that it makes much difference at this point but

3 crest.

We left maytag in a bit of a "What will happen" situation last time, and it was cliffhangerish in a way.  We've now left bern on the precipice of something potentially awesome (I have an idea of what's going to happen, but very clicch?) We left crest about to go on a journey. 

It's like we left bern at the battle of helms deep, we've left maytag just after the mines of moria.  And crest is still at the start of an unexpected journey.  I'd at least like to see him catch up story wise a little.

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 42: Discussion
« on: November 18, 2014, 07:06:40 am »
Well so far this seems like something my boss does.  "You have three options" where two of the options are the wrong choice, and the third option is the choice they want you to make,  I can't help but think that's the case here by the first two options given.

Bern is far too attached to be with anyone other than Maytag, and removing one of her eyes would ruin her fighting style, how can you counter without depth perception (or throw a brick accurately for that matter)

But I doubt option C is going to be a fighting one, she pointed out that these are opportunities outside of fighting after all. 

Warden appeared impressed by the perfect counter, but also commented she didn't have the strength, not to mention wardern seemed to counter her counter.  We could be seeing a training moment for option C. 

"Option C, you train with me for a month, if you pass the training, you'll enter a 3 on 1 rank up match, using these swrods" or something to that effect.

I also wouldn't be surprised if there weren't some secret S ranked fights for the most skilled people, (There may be and it may have been mentioned, I can't remember) Bern could probably hold her own very well in an A rank match with her normal weapons, who knows what these twin swords do. 

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Chapter 41: Discussion
« on: August 27, 2014, 01:34:38 pm »
Well, susperia was a lvl 3+ sorc, she'd lost kin, formed a rather clingy bond to crest and then began to transform into something far more powerful (possibly the work of the thin man, i'm not entirely convinced)

Maybe she was so powerful she began to warp reality around her, what crest saw wasn't the truth, but the truth susperia believed and then projected.  Who knows though. 

Maybe a damaged childhood.  She broke the all three barriers without help (if memory serves) maybe when she unlocked her powers, she accidently killed them herself and then repressed the memories and later on when unlocks power again, she blames her acts on Q'talda who taught her to control her magic. 

Maybe her parents were so afraid of her power the abandoned her effectively.  Many possibilities. 

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Flipside Discussion / Re: Mistake Thread
« on: July 04, 2014, 08:14:24 am »
back tracking slightly but

last panel Should the spell not be Extraction, rather than Abstraction?

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