Comics Discussion => Flipside Discussion => Topic started by: SAGG on January 26, 2018, 01:59:51 am
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Judging from the picture, Brion's obviously on an acid trip... 😂
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Judging from the picture, Brion's obviously on an acid trip... 😂
Pffft. ;D
Also, at what point did... maybe it's just me, but I seem to remember the first chapter being called The Pit. Which, in light of what is happening (towns changing suddenly), is unbelievably meta.
I'm reminded strongly of Bravely Default: Where The Fairy Flies
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"I remember being told that no one was ever supposed to go in there."
Sensible option: retreat
What will probably happen: "Since the door's open, let's look inside..."
"One or two steps inside probably won't hurt..."
"Nothing's happened so far..."
Beyond there, anything could happen. The standard horror movie trope would be the door would mysteriously, autonomously shut and lock as soon as they were inside, offering no retreat from The Thing.
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I'm reminded strongly of Bravely Default: Where The Fairy Flies
When that little title shenanigans was pointed out to me, I was quite impressed! Loved that game, btw!
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Glad you liked! ;D
Also, it looks like time for a breakup.
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Whoa. Is that really it for Bloody Mary, or is she just a duplicate? I'm guessing a duplicate. She's too cool to be just destroyed like that.... 😎
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Ah-ha! So she can make duplicates of herself... I guess that is where all that flesh she eats is going also... as well as making her stronger!
I do Hope Crest and Suspira get a chance for some private discussion... among other things! :-*
He's so shy and she's so radically forward and bold... but different from Moby who is all passion but no heart!
I think Suspiria would be good for him. Aheh... she needs to make love to Crest like a Hurricane, but sweet-like {she'll need to be mindful of her spikes, but THAT could be kinky too}... to teach him that feminine passion need not be feared and Crest need to teach her that vulnerability is not weakness that its ok to love and express it ~ that doing so does not diminish the self.
Really think they would make a good match.
By the way... where IS Crest's sword? He's not been drawn with it for some time? Does he have some magical way to conceal it on his person...like Maytag's stilletos?
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OH Crap... something fishy is going on here... is this even Suspiria, or only what the Phalanx and Crest is to believe is Suspiria? Or is something is also fooling her that she doesn't even realize EVEN with all of her power?
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There's two options. Along way back, to get Crest and the others to believe in the whole Suspiria's parents are still alive thing Qtalda mind-controlled Crest and the others. Spells sometimes have side-effects and this is a paranoid halucination. Regina is seeing something different. This also accounts for the other three having strange behavior esp the suicide.
There are dimensional side-effects through keeping a portal open like that, and one of them is unstable reality. Suspiria for all her power, cannot see through different dimension so Crest seems crazy to her.
These are not mutually exclusive btw. Both can be true.
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Whew!!! Finally... I can post comments here again.... I've been unable to log into the forums for almost two weeks now!! Thanks again for fixing whatever issue it was Brion!
Wow so much is happening in the comic.... now we know Qtalda was lying for certain... I just don't see Melter as the lying sort... that would indicate he felt some fear of punishment or emotional guilt for any of his actions which I'm certain he does not in the least!!!
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I am still not convinced that Thin Man is behind this! This whole deal feels like some sort of internal coup with one of the members of the council trying to take all the power for themselves and make it look like someone else killed them off.
-Melter gave Regina advice on lucid dreaming.
-Then there are all these weird parallel universe events.
-There's that hole... I don't like the look of that pit at all.
Given that Melter seems not to be hiding stuff, this seems to rule him out. Suspiria too, she's not sure what's happening. Thin Man's a specialist. It's tempting to blame him for all the world's problems but the truth is, he can only use the paintbrush. Psycho chef makes monsters, but this doesn't look like the sort of magic she would have.
Something weird is going on.
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Well Clearly Lehm is not the one calling all these shots... but who has the power, the ruthlessness and ambition to plot all of this... Qtalda... she may be working with the Psycho Chef to make monsters. Why ... to make a straw threat for her to show the inadequacy of mages serving the public good to put forth the need for a Magocracy.. where Wizard's do in fact rule and force there will upon ordering society all in the name of "common good" against such threats that she is secretly in cohoots with making. She has already effectively from behind the scenes seized control of the Conclave then she effectively manipulated Suspiria into eliminating them as a unified force that could either oppose her or out her from those who were secretly supporting her efforts from within the Conclave.
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I wonder if what they really did with her mind is fix it to a certain reality. As in, the random people in the town don't notice it changing, Crest and Regina notice because stuff happened and their minds are able to notice reality when it changes phase. Suspiria is able to see one reality, and if it changes, she doesn't.
So in the case of Suspiria's parents dying:
1. The townspeople would believe whatever their current reality said to believe, instantly overwriting when stuff changes. In the reality where the parents died, they might feel bad, otherwise they think she is crazy.
2. Crest and Gang notice stuff like outfits and architecture and the number of deaths changing, but also see distinct realities. That is, Crest would believe Crest's parents are still alive because he saw them, but also would be able to observe a reality where they weren't alive.
3. Suspiria, no matter what reality she lives in, has memories from one reality (we'll call it Reality 3a). In Reality 3a, she knows her parents died, and evidence to the contrary in this reality she decides is nonsense.
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Clearly... Crest has A LOT of influence over Suspiria. Its sweet! :-*
...And I am none too worried about Marry carrying a scythe weapon! Melter must be VERY powerful.. he did not flinch at Suspiria's threat... either that or he knew she would not lash out at him but if he's so confident.. why the armed Mary Escort?
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Nice! Finally we get to see a showdown between Mary, Melter and Suspiria. Also the "conclave". :)
It's about time Melter showed his face. Now is the perfect time to insert a bunch of Bernadette-related chapters with her former lesbian love interest with a lot of crying and cheesy dialogue. ::)
And then Maytag appears, everyone makes up and then they become the most famous radio station by just having threesomes.
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I've thinking she's pushed herself beyond 3rd, 4th, and probably even 5th. Her symptoms are probably like when an athlete pushes beyond inhibitors and rips muscles. Her brain has created spurs because her power is overextended.
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Or.. considering what we know of the world's "true" nature of magic... those spurs are nano-reserve/production factories that either construct and/or store more Qualia than any normal person would have access to. But you are right Suspiria, may very well be a Level 6 Sorcerer!
I hope Crest gets to kiss her before she vanishes again... she needs some one to tell her she is NOT a monster!
I, at least, think she's beautiful... strange and out of the ordinary... but no less in need of OR deserving of love.
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Wwweeelll now... 'Stick THAT in your pipe and smoke it!'
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Or.. considering what we know of the world's "true" nature of magic... those spurs are nano-reserve/production factories that either construct and/or store more Qualia than any normal person would have access to. But you are right Suspiria, may very well be a Level 6 Sorcerer!
I hope Crest gets to kiss her before she vanishes again... she needs some one to tell her she is NOT a monster!
I, at least, think she's beautiful... strange and out of the ordinary... but no less in need of OR deserving of love.
Called it! High five! ;D
And I think so too.
I also think this is part of the current issue right now with all the weirdness going down. Bloody Mary is responsible for some stuff, but it's kinda like... someone with enough power lying around that they can unconsciously control the weather, only they are so moody that instead of the day being normal and sunny, it goes from sun the day before, to damp weather to a sudden freak snowstorm.
I think what Melter is getting at is there is alot of power to her, but as she is used to being lower level, the sudden bloom of her power means much of it is ambient reality warping energy that isnt really well-controlled. So in some ways, until she gets herself calmed down, alot of what she does is probasbly passively bdangerous for those she loves.
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Soooo, Level Six to Seven is what, wussy or powerful? ???
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Let's put it this way.
Western area is normally capped at level 3 due to some limitation in how they use magic. Seed of power normally at 4.
They sorta talked about Potency, and how even two level 3 wizards aren't necessarily as good as each other.
http://flipside.keenspot.com/comic.php?i=537
Look at Noventia. While she was Level 3, Suspiria's Potency was almost double hers (likewise Regina to Moss, and Dice to Noventia), so Level 3 to 4 is not just an incremental, but potentially exponential increase in power.
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Let's put it this way.
Western area is normally capped at level 3 due to some limitation in how they use magic. Seed of power normally at 4.
They sorta talked about Potency, and how even two level 3 wizards aren't necessarily as good as each other.
http://flipside.keenspot.com/comic.php?i=537
Look at Noventia. While she was Level 3, Suspiria's Potency was almost double hers (likewise Regina to Moss, and Dice to Noventia), so Level 3 to 4 is not just an incremental, but potentially exponential increase in power.
Okay, thanks...😁
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Lemme guess... she kinda would have failed all of them if she didn't push through somehow.
Her temper flareups especially vs the Conclave and old classmates.
The fact that these spikes have appeared is probably a good indicator her sense of self is not in control.
And the reality distortions... and probably her doing. As is her inability to distinguish whether her parents are alive or dead.
I don't think she needs to take a de facto dissolving test, so much as understand what each test represents. When she does this, her power is back under rein. Until she manages it, she might have backfires (wanting to create ice, and getting fire) or unconscious magic happening around her.
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Y'know... Melter is kind cute in that creepy kid way. I think he is actually trying to help Suspiria work her way mentally through the power coursing through her. Weird as that is...
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I mean, technically there's a lot you could gain from lying to Suspiria, Melter. You said yourself that she's already gotten the power to subconsciously warp actual reality to suit what she perceives to be reality, so that alone would be an incentive. There's also the question of WHY you're telling the group all this, and what you plan to do afterwards. If you want Suspiria to turn herself over to you to take those dissolving tests, well that's certainly something where going "we're the only ones that know what's going on" would be a huge help.
Finally, one question still has not been answered. Are Suspiria's parents ACTUALLY alive? And if so, why did she believe that the Enclave had killed them and thus do her reality warping deal to make the Enclave "admit" to it? And if they had killed Suspiria's parents for whatever reason, the Qtalda or whatever her name was (the masked lady) most certainly would have strong incentive to make those that would be sympathetic to Suspiria turn against her or question her sanity. Main thing we need to know is why Suspiria thought her parents were dead, and why she believed it was the Enclave that killed them.
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If her head 'no pun intended', has not been messed with by Lehm 'Thin-man' and Company... then there is no reason not to suspect that the events that Crest witnessed did not proceed as we saw in the comic. HE WAS there when the Enclave ADMITTED to siding with Qtalda in killing her parents to gain control of her. If I recall correctly, they even threatened to 'take care of' Crest for witnessing it all as they effectively told the Enclave leader he was a mere puppet-head and they had been doing things on Qtalda's orders for some time
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I believe that what p24 states is that Suspiria subconsciously alters reality to suit her perception of it. This supposedly extends not only to herself, but to stuff around her as well. AKA she COULD be what's been causing the town the group's currently in to be wonky, and she could've subconsciously altered the minds of the Enclave present to suit her reality as well. Basically if Melter is to be believed, then Suspiria changes reality itself according to what she believes to be true without any active effort on her part.
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That would make her the most powerful wizard .... likely ever!!! But I must agree.... that could be what actually is going on. But what seems wonky about it is this.... if she has the power to make the Enclave leadership admit to things they did not do because she can impose her perceptions on reality.... why is it Crest and the rest of the Phalanx seem to even be able to question the reality as she imposes it? Would not their actions and minds be altered as well to fit her imposed paradigm?
And, why is it so important for Melter to get Crest... a non-spellcasting jafo to agree or validate his claim? Why is Crest being put on the center stage here by Melter? Why is Crest's acceptance more important the the phalanx wizards present?
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If her head 'no pun intended', has not been messed with by Lehm 'Thin-man' and Company... then there is no reason not to suspect that the events that Crest witnessed did not proceed as we saw in the comic. HE WAS there when the Enclave ADMITTED to siding with Qtalda in killing her parents to gain control of her. If I recall correctly, they even threatened to 'take care of' Crest for witnessing it all as they effectively told the Enclave leader he was a mere puppet-head and they had been doing things on Qtalda's orders for some time
I think Kamui is correct. She's not controlling this. It's more like... she hates Qtalda so Qtalda becomes the villain. This does not mean Qtalda is blameless, he could very well STILL be a manipulative asshole, but Qtalda didnt kill her parents. Or did, but part of reality warping involves temporal reversion (an alt revive effect). She remembers her parents killed but then these strangers that looked like them came along and she figures they arent real when actually they died and she reverted them.
Here's the weird part though. She's saying he's a liar. The temptation is to think he is lying about her powers, but that part actually makes sense. What I think she thinks he's lying about is the timeline. The "fake" parents probably showed up before Danzig so she reasons this is the issue with this story. It isn't though. Reality warping as I said includes temporal reversion. So... what if later Suspiria gained control of her power, and realizing she headed down a dark path without her parents around, decided to bring them back to give herself a different path. Would it look like she got altered before then? Yes. But actually, it's her trying to do herself a favor that she doesnt yet underrstand.
Sunphoenix, that's easy. Because if he is being truthful, he knows that to make her see sense requires someone who cares for her and vice versa making it plausible.
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Yeha, I get why convincing Crest might be important to any strategy to talk Suspiria down ,but how would Melter know anything about the relationship between Crest and Suspiria? Crest has not been exactly publicly declaring his love for her on the street corners! In fact he's not really discussed his feelings for her with anyone directly confirming or denying one way or another. Moby inferred that he might still be 'hung up' on her but Crest never confirmed one way or another... as usual Crest has been rather shy in expressing his feelings about any woman openly. He has shown himself to be a rather private young man. And the only one alive who we can identify who was there when Suspiria declared her love for Crest IS Crest and Qtalda. I don't think Qtalda and Melter are on speaking terms. So how would Melter have any clue that getting Crest to agree with him is the key to Suspiria?
As far as reality warp affecting time.... I'm not sure I can agree with that for one reason we know the source of "magic" in this world it is not 'Magic' at all! Matter and energy manipulating buy altering nanites ~ qualia, I can go with; but time/space altering, how could such massive reality temporal alteration with such very specific details be done with out massive machinery or horrible temporal paradoxes be created? I'm just not buying that.
I again fall to "Akum's Razor" (sp?).... isn't the simplest answer more likely that Qtalda did in fact murder her parents and has simply used mind altering 'magic' on people to cover her tracks?
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Occam's Razor is that magic does exist, until proven otherwise.
1. Lehm's power is not the truth, it is simply a magical device for recording truth. The distinction is there, given that which great power comes great insanity.
2. Eye seems unconvinced of the existence of Qualia, as does CS3.
3. In fact, the only conclusive link to Qualia would be with Qtalda's microorganisms that eat human flesh, and she doesn't seem to know either.
Given this, it is possible the brush just spit out a random theory. Maybe not probable, but possible.
It's like this. If we could wave a magical paintbrush and know the truth, all would be great, but reality doesn't work that way. In fact, there is an entire branch of knowledge known as methodology, that figures out "how do we KNOW what we know?" Sadly, this system has fallen into disrepair, as evidenced by religion and philosophy webforums.
Further, we do know that fourth level has to do with mastering one's emotions, and Lehm as a 3rd level truth specialist also would have gotten in there without breaking any seals. Meaning his concept of the truth could very well be influenced by his emotions.
I'm not gonna talk about Melter yet. I gotta head to work soon.
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I'm inclined to agree with SunPhoenix.
Melter is a known liar. He (She?) is, near as I can tell, a very bad person. Without significant proof, Suspira should just meteo him.
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Known liar???
He uhhh normally doesn't speak that much at all.
He's a known thug (basically killing everyone in a room to get to May), but I can't remember him outright lying, like ever.
He's an artificial human, but this doesnt seem to translate into dishonesty.
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Hmmmm... this is...a slippery slope here. I'm almost always immediately suspicious of some one who tells me that your perception of reality is not what you think it is let ME tell you how it really is.
In MY case I would say... ok if you think your view of reality is 'clearer' prove it with facts convince me of the veracity of those claims with evidence.
BUT case in point here... Melter's 'claims' don't have to have ANY conclusive evidence cause his proof is 'oh your rewriting reality subconsciously so facts and memories are not going to prove anything... just trust what I'm saying is true.
WHY should Suspiria believe him at all? He has brought no hard evidence to support his claims and if he was interested in convincing her she is mistaken.. why did he not just bring her living parents there to speak to her? IF he knows her parents are alive and he wants to convince her that she has rewritten the conclave's memories why didn't he do that in the first place?
AGAIN.. why is it so complicated that SHE, Suspiria, is the one making the Conclave ALL of them behave like scheming evil murderers and NOT the conclave leader as well ~ by "altering their memories unconsciously"... if memories CAN be altered that way...
Occam's Razor ~ Is it STILL not simpler that Qtalda ~ who has motivation, and power to do so has CONSCIOUSLY altered everyone's memories to serve her own purpose to conceal HER murder of Suspiria's parents?
If I were Suspiria I'd then say bring forth these people who claim to be my parents and let me question them... if memories can be altered and people EVEN brought back to life by magic... let me question them and see for myself if they actually are my parents or if that is simply what they've been mind altered to believe!
Honestly.. this ALL seems like the writer trying to write himself out of a plot hole... not a serious criticism it happens.. but the drama of Suspiria taking on the entire Conclave and winning was a real high point in the story as far as I'm concerned.. and I'm not so willing to "let it go in favor of a new direction"... without good solid storytelling to justify it. THIS just all seems too Deus Ex-Machina...to me.
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I'd wager that the reality alteration only works locally, including the altering of memories. After all, the brain is basically just a jumble of chemicals and electric impulses firing, so magic could potentially tweak stuff so that your memories get rewritten a bit. It's actually possible that any rewriting of memories she does is just temporary, and requires her constant presence even. Hence why the only one that's continually affected by the physical/mental changes is Suspiria herself. And why stuff is constantly changing in the town so long as she's there. I'd ALSO wager that the reason that everyone was acting so strangely? Was because Suspiria was subconsciously influencing their minds. Whatever traits she felt was their "true" self, and whatever she interpreted as the cause/reason for their actions in the past, particularly regarding Suspiria, is what became their most prominent traits and what they decided was why they did the things they did.
Glyph for example didn't seem the type to feel bad over being a pervert, and Moby went way further than she did before with Crest. Meanwhile Crest SEEMS to be mostly unaffected, but it might be because Suspiria considers him to be calm and collected, which isn't too far off from how he's appeared to us as readers. Basically everyone's acting how Suspiria thinks they would act due to her influence, and stuff she can't remember or doesn't pay much attention to in the town is changing from day to day.
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BUT case in point here... Melter's 'claims' don't have to have ANY conclusive evidence cause his proof is 'oh your rewriting reality subconsciously so facts and memories are not going to prove anything... just trust what I'm saying is true.
WHY should Suspiria believe him at all? He has brought no hard evidence to support his claims and if he was interested in convincing her she is mistaken.. why did he not just bring her living parents there to speak to her? IF he knows her parents are alive and he wants to convince her that she has rewritten the conclave's memories why didn't he do that in the first place?
Sure he does. A theory that is true had a viable explanation for everything. A lie? Well, it's like Columbo says. A lie is like a puzzle, where the puzzle pieces don't match up. Reason for hair extensions? Check. Reason why the town and its inhabitants are strange? Check. Reason for a sudden spike in power? Check.
Plus, Suspiria is all "that's not true, that's impossible" on this. She'll have to search her feelings cuz she knows it to be true.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pw2sex1mJNI
AGAIN.. why is it so complicated that SHE, Suspiria, is the one making the Conclave ALL of them behave like scheming evil murderers and NOT the conclave leader as well ~ by "altering their memories unconsciously"... if memories CAN be altered that way...
Occam's Razor ~ Is it STILL not simpler that Qtalda ~ who has motivation, and power to do so has CONSCIOUSLY altered everyone's memories to serve her own purpose to conceal HER murder of Suspiria's parents?
I keep telling people. Occam's Razor is not unassailable. "If you hear hoofbeats, expect horses, not zebras." But what if you live in an area where zebras are common? What if there is reason why things are different from the most reasonable result?
As far as Qtalda's concerned, she is still an evil bitch. But this doesn't obstruct the real issue. Suspiria's power being out of control
If I were Suspiria I'd then say bring forth these people who claim to be my parents and let me question them... if memories can be altered and people EVEN brought back to life by magic... let me question them and see for myself if they actually are my parents or if that is simply what they've been mind altered to believe!
Honestly.. this ALL seems like the writer trying to write himself out of a plot hole... not a serious criticism it happens.. but the drama of Suspiria taking on the entire Conclave and winning was a real high point in the story as far as I'm concerned.. and I'm not so willing to "let it go in favor of a new direction"... without good solid storytelling to justify it. THIS just all seems too Deus Ex-Machina...to me.
Actually, the whole deal isn't Deus ex Machina, because we had clear setup to this. She was OP and steadily growing in power, they actually showed all of this stuff.
Suspiria resenting Qtalda for kidnapping her from her family (http://flipside.keenspot.com/comic.php?i=1641)
Hatred of the Conclave (http://flipside.keenspot.com/comic.php?i=1671)
Lack of emotional control (http://flipside.keenspot.com/comic.php?i=1649)
Melter literally mentions the Seed of Potential well before she kills the Conclave (http://flipside.keenspot.com/comic.php?i=1681)
CS3 confirms that there is another side of the world, with apparently differences in magic (http://flipside.keenspot.com/comic.php?i=3239)
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Hmmm... considering your points... that seems reasonable and does explain the events in the plot the way things have unfolded. I can see your point and agree. This must be where Byron is going with the story and the events do support it. I'm convinced...
Man I feel really sorry for Suspiria.. how does one control one's own subconscious if it has access to such power without your active control? That must suck, its the Krell of "Forbidden Planet" all over again!
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I won't confirm or deny anything, but I just have to say something about Occam's Razor. it only makes sense to use it for real world problems. I see people use it all the time to analyze fiction, and it makes no sense to use it that way. Fiction does not comform to the "simplest explanation is usually the best" rule, not at all! Fiction is often contrived, complex, convoluted. In fact, even when it's trying to hide it's contrivances, it's always at least a little contrived. Writers certainly don't choose plots on the basis of "the simplest answers," they choose whatever seems interesting or exciting.
If anything you'd be better off using Opposite Occam's Razor for fiction. "The most complicated answer is usually correct." That's probably true more of the time!
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OH MYyyy! The Divine Red Lobster Speaks! :)
Lol.. thanks for the input Brion...and please don't read too much into our 'arm-chair' commentary..{snicker}... I for one GREATLY enjoy your story as it unfolds.. but point taken about applying 'real-World' logic to a fantasy world! :-*
I just hope Suspiria can forgive herself and Crest can forgive her and still care for her even if her reality is not what she believes it to be! "With great power come Great Mental Illness!"
But it would be a shame for her to loose her sanity and love merely because she is like a Super Dr. Strange, I hope Crest can step up to the plate with his own compassion.. and SAVE her from that!
As the Bards of Jefferson Airplane put it well... if repetitively ~
"Don't you want somebody to love
Don't you need somebody to love
Wouldn't you love somebody to love
You better find somebody to love, love"
Perhaps...that's the key to her sanity as Crest 'seems' to be the one person unaffected by her reality warping? Because... Suspiria loves him...
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I won't confirm or deny anything, but I just have to say something about Occam's Razor. it only makes sense to use it for real world problems. I see people use it all the time to analyze fiction, and it makes no sense to use it that way. Fiction does not comform to the "simplest explanation is usually the best" rule, not at all! Fiction is often contrived, complex, convoluted. In fact, even when it's trying to hide it's contrivances, it's always at least a little contrived. Writers certainly don't choose plots on the basis of "the simplest answers," they choose whatever seems interesting or exciting.
If anything you'd be better off using Opposite Occam's Razor for fiction. "The most complicated answer is usually correct." That's probably true more of the time!
I would call it Tolkien's Dagger. "Whatever answer is most in line with what the author wants, complicated or not, is usually what will happen." So named for the fact that Tolkien's work was almost certain to exactly include whatever he planned, in his case mostly being an excessive amount of history and linguistic information, Norse myth with Christian overtones, and stealth humor (Bag End represented a cul de sac in England filled with old people).
Which effectively also means Dan Shive's work will feature a huge amount of transformations and esp gender stuff :-*, while Tom Siddons will have creepy imagery and high level philosophy :-X, and Brion Foulke will tend to keep you guessing with false leads. ???
Perhaps...that's the key to her sanity as Crest 'seems' to be the one person unaffected by her reality warping? Because... Suspiria loves him...
Indirectly unaffected.
Moby is basically acting as a proxy for Suspiria's feelings. She's one horny gal.
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Uh-oh. It's getting really interesting and nasty now.... :-X
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Meteo him. He's very bad and does bad things to decent people.
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I'm easily confused, but when did Chrest get that orb?
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I'm easily confused, but when did Chrest get that orb?
Here...
http://flipside.keenspot.com/comic.php?i=3431
Last chapter.
Moment of truth.. no more stalling Crest.. How do you REALLY Feel for Suspira?
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WRONG Moby!
Crest is holding the Sphere of Antimagic.. HE 'Right NOW' is the LEAST affected than anyone present... if he still loves Suspira..
then it most CERTAINLY is HIS Love, not from any outside influence!!!
'Cause you'll be in my heart
Yes, you'll be in my heart
From this day on
Now and forever more
You'll be in my heart
No matter what they say
You'll be here in my heart
Always!
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Open to debate.
Crest and Suspiria had about one or two hangout scenes before her change. They were kinda just friends though.
Suspiria does kind of like Crest, but there's also a healthy dose of Replacement Goldfish (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ReplacementGoldfish).
http://flipside.keenspot.com/comic.php?i=1171
http://flipside.keenspot.com/comic.php?i=1235
Crest on the other hand... didn't appear to be under a love spell. Most of his behavior was fairly normal (kinda a shy next-door neighbor romance), except for his drive to train. I couldn't figure out where that came from.
http://flipside.keenspot.com/comic.php?i=1145
(I don't see anyone under a charm spell getting this argumentative)
http://flipside.keenspot.com/comic.php?i=1241
Moby, it felt like she was acting out Suspiria's feelings, it was really super-obvious that something was wrong. Crest? Not as much, anyway.
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Yes indeed, Mrs Briefs... I concur entirely!
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Y'know, I'd be several shades of scarlet shag-carpet... if someone declared all those kind of complementary things about me! lol.
... I think Crest is still stunned by it all! :)
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Tee-hee... Moby is cute... :-*
Hey Brion... do you ever think of your characters 'voice'? If they have like accents or a specific tone quality?
I think Moby would sound a lot like the animated Harley Quinzel.. from the Batman Animated Series... kind of a New Yorker accent...
What voice actors would you give them if you had a choice? What do you think your character's sound like?
I'm really curious about Maytag and Bernadette. Personally I think Bernadette would sound like the voice of the Unicorn/Amalthea from 'The Last Unicorn' animated movie ~ Actress, Mia Farrow..
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I can imagine Bern having a kinda deep voice, sounding kinda tomboy. Kinda like Emily Blunt.
Maytag I can imagine her with a more versatile voice, something kinda like one of those girls that puts on a much higher voice on the phone, and kinda more sexy when they are playing it that way, and deadpan when they've stopped acting. Kinda Lady Gaga (puh puh pokerface) or something.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8lz7obvHTo
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Hmmmm.... I've always felt Bern had a gentle soft voice.... not tomboish but very feminine. She doesn't like violence and always tries to peacefully resolve things she is never 'thinking with her swords'... before the arena she was pretty much a pasifist.
Hence why I think the warden took so much.... disappointment in her because she has the spirit of a warrior but the gentleness of a rose. In all Bern's speach shes seemed soft-spoken not given to bombastic or angry outbursts.... certainly not one to be yelling or speaking in anger.
But maybe I'm reading too much into it?
Oh yeah indeed Lady Gaga has an amazing set of pipes in her voice! I could see Maytag with a very wide range... but I do think when she has her eyes in that serious hooded look her deadly serious voice is low smokey in a dark but soft husky tone.
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This is why I say Emily Blunt and not say... Catherine Hepburn.
A voice which is soft and feminine but yet somehow rugged.
I actually think Mariah Carey, honestly, is a better sample of May though. Sorta sexy, something of a diva, sometimes deadpan (calmly saying "I will hunt you down" in this song), and a little strange (unicorns).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9b8erWuBA44
Especially feel this video on the Crest date.
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OK.. first of all... BWahahahaha! That video was Terribly cute.. and hilarious!
Second, BAM... ok.. you're right.. I'm convinced.. I could SOOOOO see Mrs Mariah Carey as Maytag's voice! Wow!
EDIT: Ok.. Darn you Bulma! I can't get that "I will hunt you down...", out of my head..all day long been singing that! I'm charmed! LOL! Thx! ;D
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Unfortunately now it's time to get serious. I think she's right.
Crest is a rebound for Kin, who she hasn't fully been able to grieve.
This is probably not saying that those two don't like each other, or don't have a chance in the long run. She just has to stop thinking of her as an extension of Kin.
On a more serious note, I think I have a similar problem. I project my past relationships onto my current one, thinking Kara is going to behave like Kelly, and so on. They haven't, and this is how I know this one's a keeper (unfortunately she's taken, so we're just friends).
Okay, enough seriousness. Do one for Suspiria and Crest. I was thinking Katie Perry (constant hair changes, and watching the music video Wide Awake (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0BWlvnBmIE)) for Suspiria and for Crest... I can't realy get a bead of him because yeah half of his story got overshadowed by someone else. Maybe Rick Moranis in LSoH (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DD7VIKZnGA).
Dude, I put Rick Moranis's voice in Chapter 1 lines for Crest and started cracking up.
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Seriously. Meteo him.
Also, why are they mistaking a young man growing in confidence and ability as magical ove?
Meh. Meteo him now and sort it out later.
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Hmm, I don't really put too much thought into what their voices should sound like. There's a general sort of voice I hear in my head, but it's vague and fuzzy. It doesn't sound exactly like anyone. But I think you guy are on the right track in how you're saying Bernadette should sound.
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That doesn't necessarily follow.
If you like someone, you might try to change them. But if you love them, well...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaA3YZ6QdJU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAfyFTzZDMM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjhCEhWiKXk
Change isn't synonymous with love. In fact, it's very conditional love. But ideally, we would be loved for who we are, not for who someone else was. Or how we should be.
This is not to say such doesn't push us to be our best self. But there are so many damaged people who think they aren't good enough.
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Man, it's looking bleaker and bleaker for Suspiria. When will they all attack her, and when will she beat them all back while defending herself? ??? Which side will Crest join? ???
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I mean, attacking her would be pretty damned moronic of them. The only real solution would be for Suspiria to do whatever's needed to properly get her powers in check. Fighting her would be the worst call they could make, they also know that she's warping stuff without conscious effort and apparently figure the best idea is to shit-talk her? Moby and the others aren't exactly being very smart right now. One characteristic that we DO know that Crest had from the start was his analytical mind, and he's retained that as well even when outside of Suspiria's range, so he's the most likely one to go "shut up, this isn't the time to go poking the tiger with a stick, this is the time to figure out what the tiger needs in order to be sated."
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@ Kamui {love your handle, by the way} = Totally agree.. whether Suspiria loves Crest or he's being affected is really immaterial to the point that really matters is getting Suspiria to realize she is manipulating things around her to alter reality and help her learn to control her powers and not do that anymore.
@ Bulmabriefs = Yeah... but I'm of the opinion that Love is used often as a catch-word explanation for many things and most of the time the wrong connotations are assigned to it. True Love is more about the person loved and not about yourself. When you truly love someone.. you care more about them than yourself, not about possessing their affection not about having the affection you feel for them returned. Love is not selfish. Before her powers were boosted she gave Crest that unique magic sword the SHE crafted for him.. it was clear she really liked him...not because he was like Kin but because he was Crest... kind, honest, ...a little shy but thoughtful, loyal and heroic in his own way.
My point is if Suspiria really loves Crest, I think he would be the LEAST affected of all those around her. She did not try to possess Crest's affection when she changed she did not try to consummate her affection for Crest! No, she kissed him goodby - because she loved him she did not want him anywhere near her to be caught in any danger from her actions!
'Why did Starlord try to shoot Gamora? Because she asked him to promise to do so... and he loves her...so her wishes are more important to him than his own needs, to the point he's willing to hurt himself to do as she asked...because he loves her!'
"Love is not about yourself.. its about the one you love."
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True (as in, real, not ideal as the term is usually used) love is actually a mix of selfish and unselfish love. It's messy, it sometimes holds onto the past. It can be very far from what love should be. But it's also the closest to heaven that most of us get in terms of feelings.
Suspiria (we need to figure out a nickname) does love Crest for Crest. But she probably ALSO missed Kin. And she very much is not in control of her emotions right now, so getting pushed over the edge, not so much.
She needs a Cool Down Hug (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CooldownHug) right now.
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Holy shiiiiiiiiiiittttt........(what's gonna happen?)
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True (as in, real, not ideal as the term is usually used) love is actually a mix of selfish and unselfish love. It's messy, it sometimes holds onto the past. It can be very far from what love should be. But it's also the closest to heaven that most of us get in terms of feelings.
Suspiria (we need to figure out a nickname) does love Crest for Crest. But she probably ALSO missed Kin. And she very much is not in control of her emotions right now, so getting pushed over the edge, not so much.
She needs a Cool Down Hug (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CooldownHug) right now.
How about Suspiry? :P On a serious note, it seems to appear my prediction is coming true....
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Hmmm... that seems somewhat out of character for the Phalanx 'leader', is there some other kind of reality warping going on here?!?
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Crest - "What AM I supposed to do?!?"
KISS HER YOU FOOL! Tell her how you feel about her!
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Totally feeling this scene. I've got a girl I kn ow.
It's a friendship but there's also some of what TvTropes mentions as a South African word.
Mamihlapinatapai. "A look shared by two people with each wishing that the other will initiate something that both desire but which neither one wants to start. "
And oh yes, I've asked her already. So much so that I feel like pushing too hard might wreck our friendship. Plus she has a boyfriend, and one day I realized that the reason I admire her is that she's a committed person. Committed to her job (while I buckled under pressure), committed to her guy, committed to her principles. Asking her to give those things up, even if she said yes in a heartbeat, I'd hate myself for doing that to her.
So if people are like "tell her how you feel about her!" I'm like, are you guys retarded? I did already. Besides, I don't ONLY lust after her body, I also care about her happiness and our friendship .
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Totally feeling this scene. I've got a girl I kn ow.
It's a friendship but there's also some of what TvTropes mentions as a South African word.
Mamihlapinatapai. "A look shared by two people with each wishing that the other will initiate something that both desire but which neither one wants to start. "
And oh yes, I've asked her already. So much so that I feel like pushing too hard might wreck our friendship. Plus she has a boyfriend, and one day I realized that the reason I admire her is that she's a committed person. Committed to her job (while I buckled under pressure), committed to her guy, committed to her principles. Asking her to give those things up, even if she said yes in a heartbeat, I'd hate myself for doing that to her.
So if people are like "tell her how you feel about her!" I'm like, are you guys retarded? I did already. Besides, I don't ONLY lust after her body, I also care about her happiness and our friendship .
I think this is a good thought, though the "lust" part should be left
out, I believe. I think lust kind of takes the sheen off of what you're posting...
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I dunno. I lust after her. And I really love her. :-* Sheen isn't something I care about. But the point being, no matter how I feel for her, I love that we can always talk to her. If anything ever happened to that, I would be in hell.
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Oh, thank god Crest dropped the anti-magic ball. Being under her unconscious mind-altering effects to be more like Kin again is probably his best option at this moment.
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That is ~ presumed. Presumed Crest is under some influence from her.. its not proven.
As a bit of advice to Crest ~ "Don't believe in the you that believes in someone else, don't even believe in the some one else who believes in you... Believe IN YOURSELF!"
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As a bit of advice to Crest ~ "Don't believe in the you that believes in someone else, don't even believe in the some one else who believes in you... Believe IN YOURSELF!"
That was totally not super-confusing at all!
Also, Crest is a Shyguy.
(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/983/253/829.png)
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As a bit of advice to Crest ~ "Don't believe in the you that believes in someone else, don't even believe in the some one else who believes in you... Believe IN YOURSELF!"
That was totally not super-confusing at all!
{Sigh}.. If I have to explain it it looses is poignacy... like explaining a joke...
"Don't believe in the you that believes in someone else..." ~ Crest: "I'm just a stupid kid from a backwards town! I'm only here because I was tagging along with Maytag and Bernatte!"
"..don't even believe in the some one else who believes in you..." ~ Crest: "You think I'll just open my mouth and magically say something that will fix this? As if I'm Maytag or something?"
"Believe IN YOURSELF!" ~ Crest: "I'm a tagalong! That's it!"
... I don't think I need to explain the inference his words suggest about his views & feelings of Maytag and Bernadette... and himself. Its clear he idolizes Maytag and Bernadette and beleives in them.. and that he is isnpried by the fact they trust and believe in him enough to let him follow them in their adventures. But he clearly does not think he can be like them as decisive, wise, insightful or courageous.
Crest is having a Simon moment... {Tengen Toppa Gurren Laggan}
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Oh, I got it, it was just a confusing sentence. Sorta like one of those "You know and I know about X. But do you know that I know that you know..."
I think both Suspie and Crest are very shy people. She's a bit damaged from being bullied so much and puts up a tough front, and he's kinda messed up because he lost sight of himself. They are actually good for each other but busybodies like Moby want to push how much this seems like a rebound. So what if it is? Mind your own business. Instead, the one thing she thought she felt was real (it may turn out to still be) betrayed her, and Crest lost his last bit of nerve.
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Great image of Suspiria screaming...and the current Crest arc is so easy to relate to...I really know that feeling. And the mystery is still behind everything that we don't know what is real and what has been created by Suspiria's subconscious. Great storytelling, great artwork!!!!!
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COME ON CREST!!! Go to her... take her in your arms and just hold her. Make her feel that you are still with her....!!!! She's in real danger of literally self-destructing... remember her mind can warp reality her anger and frustration could easily turn inward and kill herself.... please Help HER!!!
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Great image of Suspiria screaming...and the current Crest arc is so easy to relate to...I really know that feeling. And the mystery is still behind everything that we don't know what is real and what has been created by Suspiria's subconscious. Great storytelling, great artwork!!!!!
Thanks! I try!
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I really want to hug Susperia right now. :( Even if she might undo my existence.
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I really want to hug Susperia right now. :( Even if she might undo my existence.
C̪̰̳̘͊ͩ̒̔̔͊ẻ͕͖ͪ̂͋ͣ͆̽ͩa̱͕̝̓ͧͮ̔̿̓̇̾̉s͇̺̱͓̦̿ͥ̈́̄ͤ͌͆̃e̮̹̹ͣ̽ ̣̖̗͇ͣ̚ T̤̫̗͇͂̏̋͋̈ͧ͗ŏ̬̥͇̹̺̻͕̞ͤ̍ͭ B͇̗̼̥͉̼̺́͂͛̔̒ͭe̘͍̘̮̬ͩ̐͆͛̏̽ͬ̏
Zalgo text is fun!
http://www.eeemo.net/
Update: it kinda looks like she's done that to herself. Cheer up, Suspiria! Don't disappear just yet!
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Such a good story. Very much looking forward to seeing where all this goes.
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Oh good, she's still around.
Time for a haircut though.
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Thank goodness she's still ...there! Perhaps, changed ~ within a 'stony' chrysalis?
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Throwing people into the pit solves everything! :-*
Didn't he throw Bloody Mary in there repeatedly? Maybe it's some sort of temporal vortex. Otherwise, nah, don't listen to this guy.
Update: So that guy is basically a creative writing teacher, who thinks all OP characters unbalance the story. Listen you, we care about interesting characters. As long as the story moves forward with no writers block, this quaint notion of "story balance" is nonsense. That's what kept high fantasy from really expressing itself for at least a century.
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I used to find Melter slightly unnerving. Now the multiple panels of shock faced Melter have had me wanting to scoop him (I believe it's a him?) and everyone else out of that place and shove Mr. Conehead McBatshit down the hole.
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Uhmmm... I think we are going to meet our first 'Demon'. That... being, Melter is attacking was never human to begin with!
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Probably second. Psycho chef for Thin Man gives him all kinds of test subjects in exchange for her getting to play with them when he's done. Sounds kinda pit demon to me.
Demons from the vorpal sea.
Sometimes the high rank sorceror and the researcher are both wrong, and the priestess is right (even though she was wrong that Bloody Mary was one).
Also, I don't like the tar baby look of this. Like this guy might try to suck Melterin to his body.
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This is the pits! 😆 Well, someone had to say it!
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Supposedly in the news, there's been a rash of suicides. I, being highly skeptical, think they were murders made to look that way.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NeverSuicide
It can't be suicide if someone uses a hypnotic voice to make you throw yourself in, after all.
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...weeellll... THIS has turned truly horrific. Please Suspiria.. 'break the world shell' and save everyone! "For the Revolution of the World!"
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Can we expect help from her though? Her heart has hardened.
So to speak.
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Yay 50 Chapters!!!
Keep it up Brion!! Thanks for all the fun, sexy and thought-provoking comics over the years!
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Thank you~!
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You're welcome! Do you know much longer do you plan to do Flipside, Brion, or to be more precise, have you envisioned an ending? 😎
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Well, it doesn't strictly speaking NEED to have an end. Some of the newspaper comics just kept running every week. Or you could go the roue of Cerebus, dragging your comic out literally kicking and screaming.
Most people don't like downer endings, but neither downer nor happy is really consistent with Flipside. It's kinda film gris, so to speak.
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You're welcome! Do you know much longer do you plan to do Flipside, Brion, or to be more precise, have you envisioned an ending? 😎
Yes, I have envisioned an ending. To tell you the truth, I would like to end it at some point just so I can move on to some other projects. But I have a vision for how the story should go, and it has to be realized as well as I can first.