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Title: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: SAGG on August 23, 2017, 03:45:34 pm
Is that Bloody Mary?  ???
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: SAGG on August 27, 2017, 02:40:19 pm
Okay, this guy on page 2 looks familiar...
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: Brion Foulke on August 29, 2017, 09:54:15 pm
Thanks for creating the topic for me!
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: SAGG on August 30, 2017, 06:21:04 am
Thanks for creating the topic for me!
You're welcome!  ;D For a second there, I thought I was in trouble for some reason....
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: Brion Foulke on August 30, 2017, 08:32:45 pm
Of course not!  It's appreciated.
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: SAGG on September 02, 2017, 06:17:43 am
I wonder if this has something to do with Eye...



By the by, where is everybody? Is it just me and Brion now?  ;D
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: SAGG on September 04, 2017, 11:43:24 am
Bloody Mary. It's gotta be....  :'(
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: monimoni on September 04, 2017, 04:09:23 pm
Cannibalized? How can they be sure that whatever it was is human? :P
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: SAGG on September 04, 2017, 11:30:52 pm
Cannibalized? How can they be sure that whatever it was is human? :P
Gasp! Someone else is here!  :'( Woo-hoo!  ;D
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: sunphoenix on September 06, 2017, 04:52:29 am
I STILL think Crest should have done Moby... he would have enjoyed it I'm sure!  An be less uptight ~ in general...
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: bulmabriefs144 on September 06, 2017, 07:50:45 pm
Huh? Wasn't Crest there for Bloody Mary?

http://flipside.keenspot.com/comic.php?i=429

That he asks this about the horns, ignoring the obvious option of Bloody Mary suggests somehow his memory has been altered. Especially because he met Suspiria fighting Bloody Mary, and seems to equate her other activities with cannibalism.

As part of a huge coincidence, I was researching Brahma as part of a study of Hinduism like two seconds ago.
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: monimoni on September 09, 2017, 04:40:51 am
Something is definitely up with Crest.
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: monimoni on September 12, 2017, 02:26:03 am
Guess not. I'm a bit confused, did Crest and the others witness Qtalda's spell on Mary? If I remember right it was just the conclave.
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: sunphoenix on September 12, 2017, 04:54:54 am
We have some reason to suspect meta-wise by things Lehm said or inferred that there may be multiple bloody-Mary's running around.
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: mittfh on September 16, 2017, 11:05:43 am
We have some reason to suspect meta-wise by things Lehm said or inferred that there may be multiple bloody-Mary's running around.

It's not just said or inferred - it's canonical (http://flipside.keenspot.com/comic.php?i=1971) that there are three Bloody Mary's running around.
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: SAGG on September 18, 2017, 04:05:15 pm
Unless I'm incredibly wrong concerning my English grammar Brion, I think in the fourth panel of the 9/18/17 strip (or 18/9/17 strip depending if you're not in the US), the word bubble should read "You SEEM down", as opposed to "You see down". Maybe she's looking down...?  ;D
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: sunphoenix on September 19, 2017, 12:39:45 pm
Unless I'm incredibly wrong concerning my English grammar Brion, I think in the fourth panel of the 9/18/17 strip (or 18/9/17 strip depending if you're not in the US), the word bubble should read "You SEEM down", as opposed to "You see down". Maybe she's looking down...?  ;D

"HEY! My EYES are UP HERE!"

But seriously... Moby is a hottie... Crest could do worse.  And I think it was his tenderness, "I'm sorry... I'll be your friend, ok?"... THAT touched her heart.. like none other before.  Cause that is one of Crest's endearing qualities... he cares.  He genuinely cares about people around him.  Yeah, I can relate to him... I'm like that... or at least I try everyday I live to BE like that...caring about those around me..even strangers.  I could so see myself doing what he did ...hugging Moby and telling her he'd be her friend.

Moby would not admit it ...likely even to herself... but that Really touched her heart.  Something no one has done in a long time ~ if ever!  Lust and desire are one thing.. easily sated and distracted... but true affection... that stays with you.  It feels like a little ray of sunlight shining down upon you wherever you go... warming your heart in the most bleak of situations.  It never leaves or abandons you.
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: bulmabriefs144 on September 25, 2017, 05:38:35 pm
I believe someone's pants are on fire.

http://flipside.keenspot.com/comic.php?i=7
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: sunphoenix on September 26, 2017, 05:15:29 am
I believe someone's pants are on fire.

http://flipside.keenspot.com/comic.php?i=7

Well... to keep it in context..read the next three pages.  Considering Crest's view of women we learned from when Moby came on to him so strongly... Maytag was likely the first woman Crest EVER even asked to go out with him... he liked her A LOT!  The fact that he even asked her was testament to this.  Likely his conversation with most women was limited to  "Hi!" "Bye.", "Uhm..no." and "Yes, Thank you."

He actually tried to engage Maytag... and honestly... after his attempt with her... has basically given up seeking deeper relationships with ANY woman!  Even Sapristi she actively sought him out...Crest has not actually shown any interest in really any other woman.. though indeed he is concerned about Sapristi... though Love.. might be somewhat of a stretch.  If the Counsel did in fact conspire to kill her parents Crest wants justice to be done.. but he'd do that for any injustice he discovered.

Actually its kind of sad... Crest is a good guy.. he deserves a good woman... he'd never cheat on her or intentionally do things to make her cry... but it seems women only 'seem' to want men who are like that and ignore the really nice guys.  Though Moby seems to have realized ...after the fact what a real Gem of a man Crest actually is... it was NOT her initial draw to him.
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: bulmabriefs144 on September 26, 2017, 05:47:43 am
Yeah, but... part of being a good man is being real.

A great deal of men I have basically not empathy for, because they try to act tough, never open up, and never show any kind of vulnerability. Being transfeminine/genderfluid/whatever, this is pretty much the reason I almost exclusively prefer women. Masculinity should be about protecting the family. A good man goes out and makes sure his woman is safe, is kind and gentle, possibly quiet, and isn't afraid to talk about something that scares him. This is something like my grandfather, and kind of the model of an ideal man. My dad, on the other hand, while far from being a macho type, kinda characterizes this sort of big oaf archetype.

I read some book called The Green Man, which was basically about how masculinity has become toxic, because it it has created a sort of macho culture that creates people who aren't whole. Boys. While traditionally, the male was hunter and defender, and actually a real match for a woman, because they had feelings other than just anger. Men. I have no use for boys, so I'd prefer a woman who has her stuff together to anything but a decent guy (aren't many of those).

Regina is a kind and sensitive girl. He would win more points by not pretending he's never been shy when not too long ago, he had to work up the nerve to ask someome out.

Regina is referrimng to page 6, when there were only three.
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: sunphoenix on October 04, 2017, 10:20:40 pm
Yeah... I see your point... and I do agree.  A man too afraid of seeming weak to show his tears when something moves his heart either from grief or from joy is not being truthful or open with the ones he pro-ports to love and care about. It is NOT weakness to show someone how very important they are to you .. and not just that but to tell them often and sincerely how much you love them.

And yeah Regina is referring to the statement a few pages before.. but was that not a different guy?  And if it was not a different guy.. why did the Prison/Fortress change its appearance?  More importantly.. why did the others not realize he changed the number or even more obviously that the Prison/Fortress changed radially in appearance?

I agree... Regina is a sweet and gentle young woman ...clearly seeking true love in her life.  She needs to be showered with affection, held tightly, Kissed tenderly, and Fucked Thoroughly ~ to quiet her fears with arduous, exhausting, love-making! 

But Crest.. I think is the wrong man for that.. he is too private with himself and his emotions.
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: bulmabriefs144 on October 05, 2017, 06:06:43 am
I dunno.

Crest is definitely the wrong guy for Maytag. Too sort of by the book, not noble like Bern either, he kinda was a hanger on. And then when May told about her real self she totally would accept her.

Crest is kinda right for Suspiria, if she can detox herself from the seed's influence. It made her revenge crazy, and possibly crazy for real, given how she remembered her past. Right now she's out of the picture.

Dice would be okay for Crest. But he didn't stick around with her.

Moby is kinda wrong for Crest, unless she has hidden dimensions, because she just struck me as a girl who was interested in the conquest and upset that she couldn't get it.

I believe Regina could be right for Crest, and vice versa. But's sorta the "the right time the wrong me" deal. You know that song right? Crest is basically still pining over the past one and kinda in a "to be continued" relationship, because the one with Suspiria was never "it's over, I don't like horny women."  ;D So, Regina she's sweet and she's real, but Crest still sees Suspiria as a working long distance relationship. Unless Crest goes back to that area (I'm projecting my own experiences with a coworker who's sorta a female Crest), and stays for long enough to be like "you know what, this isn't like I remember it", Regina won't have a good chance. And unless Crest opens up,he'll be like that for every girl he meets.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3SKMRExoVQ

Misherard lyrics are wonderful. Apparently they say it's " to roll to me".
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: sunphoenix on October 05, 2017, 07:45:42 am
Nod, Nod... I totally agree... and yeah I know that, "the right time, the wrong me'.  Been there~ done that.

Regina could be good for Crest but I agree he's still waiting on Suspiria... and I'm not convinced she is crazy or that lots of foul magic has NOT been used to frame her to 'seem' crazy.
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: bulmabriefs144 on October 06, 2017, 03:29:11 am
I'm not sure it's mind control either. I think some of the more perspective wizards (not necessarily stronger, tho Suspiria could) are able to sense something weird. Crest can't, explaining his behavior. It's some kinda reality ripple.

Like timeline 1: Crest is too shy to ask anyone out, Suspiria's parents were killed, Regina was dating what's his name, Bloody Mary killed 3 ppl, town looks one way.

Timeline 2: Crest is a hottie who has never had conversation troubles, Suspiria's parents were alive, Regina wanted to date Maytag instead, Bloody Mary kills more ppl, town changes.
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: sunphoenix on October 06, 2017, 06:52:58 am
Holy Groundhog day!  They are repeating... the previous day.  If the Victims jumped from 3 to 23 how long have they been in this Reality/Time ripple loop? Could this be Melter's doing?
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: SAGG on October 11, 2017, 03:10:15 pm
Meanwhile, I'm trying to understand the current staring contest going on here.  ;D Is Brion trying to increase the tension,  or something, like showing that bartender knows something, but ain't telling...?
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: sunphoenix on October 11, 2017, 05:15:14 pm
Oh YEAH....! That Fucker clearly knows more he ain't saying...
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: sunphoenix on October 13, 2017, 07:36:45 pm
ohhhkaaaayyyy...WTF is going on here?

Edit: 'And he comes back up with a double-barrel mosberg shotgun leveled at her chest', saying~ "I don't like the cut of your jib missey!" Then let's her have both barrels in a thunderous double ~
 BA-KOOOOOM!!
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: bulmabriefs144 on October 15, 2017, 01:36:13 am
I initially thought the guy hoimself broke and reformed. But I'll keep that idea on the back biurner, and say the reason he:s bending down is that a wine or beer bottle broke (why hes bending over).
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: MaronaPossessed on October 16, 2017, 04:09:38 pm
"crunch crunch"...? IS HE EATING THE GLASS?! O_O
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: SAGG on October 17, 2017, 01:38:35 am
"crunch crunch"...? IS HE EATING THE GLASS?! O_O
NO! He's sneaking some bites of peanuts and potato chips so he won't have to share! 😆
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: bulmabriefs144 on October 17, 2017, 05:40:29 am
Regina: Welp it's been fun but... gotta go.

:zooms outta there:
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: MaronaPossessed on October 17, 2017, 08:25:49 am
"crunch crunch"...? IS HE EATING THE GLASS?! O_O
NO! He's sneaking some bites of peanuts and potato chips so he won't have to share! 😆
Darn that lucky SOAB
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: sunphoenix on October 17, 2017, 01:15:21 pm
'Oh NO! The Horror.. THE HORROR!'

...he'd BETTER NOT be jerking off behind that counter or I swear I'm gonna puke!  lols!
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: UmberIsSexy on October 18, 2017, 12:43:02 am
hahaha

All that crunching just instantly brings visions of Bloody Mary to mind, if the mention of cannibalism and the mention of Bloody Mary didn't.

Great page, the suspense is awful!!!
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: bulmabriefs144 on October 18, 2017, 04:35:19 pm
Flipside forum keeps timing out, I think there is a glitch.

This scene made me think of this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lzw6nRnaQG0

Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: weirdguy on October 18, 2017, 09:37:58 pm
effing body snatchers
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: sunphoenix on October 19, 2017, 03:10:05 am
effing body snatchers

Yeah... I'm not even an alien parasite, and I wouldn't mind getting inside her body, Yum! :)

...But seriously, here again...we see Crest's most endearing quality. . . "He CARES, about those around him!"
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: bulmabriefs144 on October 22, 2017, 11:06:15 pm
Next she'll start eating ghlass.
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: sunphoenix on October 23, 2017, 10:03:04 am
She's trembling... scared ~ with good reason.. she has noticed inconsistencies, that no one else "seems" to have noticed...
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: UmberIsSexy on October 23, 2017, 09:15:39 pm
Damn you Brion, stop with the suspense!!
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: SAGG on October 24, 2017, 08:16:40 pm
"Yeah, I see the peanut shells and potato chip crumbs on the floor. What about it? What do you think it means?" 😁
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: SAGG on October 25, 2017, 07:14:46 pm
I think I see now: These people ate most of the potato chips and peanuts, and left the rest to the bartender. (Pause) What?! Work with me, people! 😎
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: UmberIsSexy on October 26, 2017, 12:35:32 am
"the....PEEEEEPLE"

(How come there's an Amish guy?  Or should I just say "an Amish"?)
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: bulmabriefs144 on October 26, 2017, 03:23:57 am
They're almost like zombies. I think Regina must have knocked over a glass container of... something just to watch him crunching away.
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: sunphoenix on October 26, 2017, 04:33:15 am
"the....PEEEEEPLE"

(How come there's an Amish guy?  Or should I just say "an Amish"?)

"Been spending most my life ... living in a zombie {amish}..paradise!"
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: bulmabriefs144 on October 31, 2017, 04:54:22 am
I feel this way all the time.

Update: If she starts eating glass, everyone should probably leave.
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: sunphoenix on November 03, 2017, 07:52:34 pm
"Say it, SAY IT, SAAAY IIIIT! AhaAHHHHHHHH!" ~ Sam Kinison 'gone too soon'
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: sunphoenix on November 03, 2017, 07:55:33 pm
I feel this way all the time.

Update: If she starts eating glass, everyone should probably leave.

Uhm.. just out of curiosity... whyfore art thou.. the wielder of the Sword of Sorrow?  And how did thee earn such a dubious burden?
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: bulmabriefs144 on November 06, 2017, 05:20:44 am
It's basically... all of us have stories we want to tell, either fiction or nonfiction.

Mine's largely fiction, though sort of autobiographical.

I was standing new a church one day, looking at a field of wheat and super-tired. I had this daydream of a girl standing in a white robe, carrying a sword. It was sort of Asian style usually either a katana or a Chinese sword, and the end of the handle usually had a chain tied to it, which had a heart attached, usually broken. The heart, not the chain.

When I wrote an RPG game, Oracle of Tao, this became part of the mythos. The girl became Anideshi, a sort of nature hero, that was cursed with reincarnation. Further backstory says this sword isn't even hers. The sword was possessed by an angel Cassiel (the Angel of Sorrow, of course) but it wasn't made by her. It was made by Yomi, the Reaper of Death, who originally used it as a tool. This doesn't come out until playing my second rpg, Tales from the Reaper. To spoil alot, one of the last chapters, Yomi and Seishii (Reaper of Birth, Reapers in this game are less killers of humansd and more like backstage crew of existence, the garden variety psychopomps are called Pales and are former humans) decide they love each other, and to keep existence from being destroyed, they agree to reincarnate a bunch. Yomi then, is actually Anideshi, which means she is rightful owner of the sword.

Now, about this sword. It's basically a sword that causes death. Hence the name. But it's also a sword of regret, which can revive others from death. And the chain extends allowing it to wrap around stuff.

The Sword of Sorrow, in the myth, actually turns out to be the "source of sorrow" as it is a corrupted phrase. The Sword symbolizes sorrow possessed by its  wielder, and its source. What is the source of sorrow, then? In game, it turns out to be loneliness I think. Which is another way  of saying that for much of my adult life, I was extremely depressed and viewed myself as cursed with loneliness. The Sword of Sorrow can also turn into a Sword of Love, because it's effectively the feelings of love/loneliness within the heart.

Curiously, besides the games I wrote, the sword actually exists. It's a letter opener! Back when I visited China we brought back a tiny letter opener that was modeled after a chinese sword, and I attached a chain I found somewhere to the other end, along with a heart made of rose quartz I got from part of a pendant. The sword usually tied closed by its own chain. I'll see if I can post a picture. Technically it's Bearer not Wielder, as I've never used this in any way. I also have a legit katana that I could probly get a jeweler or something to attach a long chain to.

Also, there is a Wuxia show online, called Legend of the Ancient Sword. The sword doesn't have any of the same characteristics, but is called the Sword of Burning Solitude. It's close, but this is kinda a fire sword, while the Sword of Sorrow is water and darkness mostly. Still, it's a fun show to watch.
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: sunphoenix on November 07, 2017, 05:53:00 am
...Oh my.

First, THANK YOU so very much for sharing that with me, that's very intriguing again I am ... in awe of someone who  looks at things in so much depth, similar ~ I might add to some of my 'flight's of fancy'!  Thank you, I dearly enjoyed the tale!  :-*

And second, I... am truly sorry, your life has been so lonely.  Loneliness I unfortunately am close companions to as well, for in many ways my religious views after a fashion... but I know Jehovah God is my constant companion...even if I feel myself an unworthy and somewhat disloyal friend on my own part. It's complicated. 

I guess the Apostle Paul put it best, "The good that I wish to do is at all times at war with the wickedness of my own sinful heart.'~ paraphrased.  I have spent my life from my youth always trying to be a what I believed to be a righteous and good person... it is so very much harder then it sounds!  Because more often than one might think, the other people ~ friends, acquaintances, and family~ sometimes do not understand your personal choice to try to live for purity the way Jehovah God's word the Bible directs... when seemingly EVERYONE else in the world seems to get by only serving their own desires with seemingly little if any punishment or sadness for their unrighteous choices.  I have made choices in my life to avoid certain activities ~ dating, parties, athletic performance and even some jobs because such activities lead one to compromise on God's principles about sex before marriage, pursuit of riches before serving God's ministry to preach, and 'Bad' Associations that spoil good habits ~ all has for the most part made my life lonely as well.  Oh do not get me wrong my devotion to purity and righteousness has indeed protected me from many social pitfall... children out of wedlock, STD diseases, addiction to alcohol or drugs and no criminal record of any sort... but still I am lonely.  As the years of my life have unfolded ... it has seemed it is not the things I have done in life that I regret the most... but the things I have not done ~

There pretty brunette 'Jill' {last name redacted for her family's privacy} who I went to both Middle and High School with developed leukemia in school.  I learned she was in the hospital and was the ONLY classmate to come visit.  She had always had such dark pretty hair ~ I embarrassingly did not recognize her in the Hospital.  I was so ashamed.  But I did far worse, latter on.  She was a Caucasian girl and I was a young black American, but her family was pleased I of all her associates came to see her... and I was only an acquaintance mostly.  I went to see her because I heard she was very sick cancer and I was so young.. I'd never knew anyone who had cancer .. I just knew it was deadly and I wanted to cheer her up.  I think that was the first time... in my young life that I cam so close to death and dying.  I said I did far worse later on... well weeks later at the High School 'Homecoming', Jill was there wearing a wig I expect no one else suspected because it was indeed very much similar to her real hair.. but no one there had seen her in the hospital like I had.  She literally dragged me to the dance floor to dance with her.  I was young, and so full of devotion to god's principles about no sex before marriage... I was terrified.  I had never danced with a young woman before... and I had not expected her to be there nor her reaction to be so...  Well any ways I gave in and danced with her... and at some point  when I looked in her eyes and how close she leaned against me... she wanted me to kiss her. I turned my head aside..  I wanted to kiss her but again I knew I shouldn't.

Not a day in my life has gone by that I do not regret not kissing Jill.  The song ended and with it the dance.  We parted with uncomfortable but polite words. Minutes latter ... I realized my mistake and and I spent the rest of the evening trying to find her to give her that kiss.  It occurred to me she might think I would not kiss her because of her sickness or somesuch.. I needed to explain to her why I did not kiss her why I was afraid.  I never saw Jill again.  She never returned to school.  I felt so... so very bad.

20 years later at our second 10 year Reunion... I learned that Jill died... she never graduated high school.  I know, I reasonably was not at fault... BUT my heart feels I failed that pretty young woman... maybe if I had given her a reason to keep living maybe she might have fought harder, I don't know but it has been one my life's greatest regrets~ though sadly not the greatest.   ... Damn I'm tearing up here.

Suffice to say.. I know loneliness... he is a terrible companion.

So please when I say... I sincerely hope you find fulfilling companionship in your life and suffer not from loneliness in your future... know that I mean it from my heart, Mrs Briefs!

Thank you for your tale, thank you for sharing it with me.  I think I am also a bearer of the sword of sorrow... it cuts the bearer worse than anyone else I think...
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: bulmabriefs144 on November 07, 2017, 08:27:49 am
You can't be a bearer, there is only one sword. Erm, pen knife.  ;D

But yeah, never let someone else's moral code get in the way of someone you love. Jill sounded really sweet.

It seems like my curse is that I whenever I do meet someone, inevitably they look 18 but are actually closer to 14, have a boyfriend somewhere far away, or they like me but not interested in anything serious.

I have someone I am into, but of course, they're moving away. Eventually.

Update: This is about politics, so I'll try to tone it down.

So, in my state, we had a vote on several governors and such. Yes, I am aware most people smear the republican candidate as a racist, because he was defending "racist statues." I'm sorry, but I believe I do know something about history since I majored in it. Lee wasn't a racist. It doesn't matter. What this is actually at stake is, "should this become a state that believes it is okay to behave like thugs and ignore rule of law (what they did is vandalism)." This is also a vote for higher taxes and unionization, which makes our bad economy even worse. And I know that most of the state in terms of districts actually voted conservative. I know because I have looked at the district map of Virginia and it looks incredibly red (he and the other lost because of big cities and the fact that our state is population rigged). So no, it isn't as if everyone stood and was like bulma sucks.

But it feels exactly like that. That the "town" (the state) is filled with people that there is something wrong with. And there is something wrong with me. I am filled with fear. Fear of my beloved state changing into something I cannot stand. Fear of all the customers gloating about politics like insufferable twits and me being like "get out NOW." Fear of something happening with my town. All I actually ever wanted was a nice quiet life. To be married to someone kinda normal. To settle down. Not to have a stress ulcer at age 35, or have my small town turned into some kind of suburb. I have to act calm tomorrow and I honestly just want to stay home and say fuck it. I literally cannot afford my insurance and do not want expanded mandatory insurance. I just want everything to go away...  :(
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: MaronaPossessed on November 08, 2017, 02:20:55 pm
Jesus, Regina...O_O
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: sunphoenix on November 09, 2017, 04:20:44 pm
Jesus, Regina...O_O

The girl is terrified... how would you feel to wake up in you home town with all the people you know and live around all subtly different seeming? Like they look and sound like all the people, family, friends and lovers you know... but they ALL have a falsetto to their voice and their personalities all seem just characatures of the people you know. You KNOW they are fake and they all keep trying to reassure you ever things fine. While all the people around you you don't know ... the perfect strangers on the street silently, expressionless watch you constantly.

Can you imaging how terrifying that would be.... the question being... are you imagining it, is it all in your head or does that sick sinking feeling in the pit of your stomach real?
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: SAGG on November 14, 2017, 02:09:36 am
Yowza! It sure IS you.... 🤤
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: sunphoenix on November 14, 2017, 02:06:01 pm
Oh yeayh!  Moby was always a hottie... but now she's lonely and needs to be loved... by someone whom she trusts and respects to give her life some joy. I don't think this is simple lust... it IS love after a fashion. I wonder if Crest will yield and see this as it is... a plea help for Real affection from a dear friend of her heart?
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: MaronaPossessed on November 15, 2017, 01:13:12 pm
Something definitely isn't right...
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: sunphoenix on November 15, 2017, 07:48:58 pm
Something definitely isn't right...

Yeah, that sexy feeling is slipping away here and were into creepy slowly building to Eldritch Horror here...!
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: SirBananaPie on November 16, 2017, 12:05:24 am
So, 3 pairs about to... do stuff with each other? Looks like this is where the bad guy gets a triple erection and thus becomes able to rewind time again. :)
http://flipside.keenspot.com/comic.php?i=3283

But on a more serious note: Something is definitely wrong here. These people are supposed to investigate a murder case in a very creepy environment. Nooooot the kind of atmosphere I'd want to have sex in. Also not the kind of atmosphere where I'd want to be separate from the group. These guys have been looking so helpless and pathetic ever since we got to see the rewind powers. Time magic is one of the most OP powers in pretty much any fantasy setting, so I'm looking forward to finding out how they get out of this predicament.
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: bulmabriefs144 on November 16, 2017, 02:39:52 am
Also, honestly, Regina is a better match than Moby for Crest. It seems like these matchups are designed for their rape leve vs anything else.
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: SirBananaPie on November 16, 2017, 04:41:57 am
Yeah, they're giving the Phalanx a bad name. Or, if they were just hypnotized to act this way, they merely look weak. So, pretty much anyone besides Q'talda and that elderly guy who was able to resist Suspiria's hypnotism (but still died afair) reminds me of this:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheWorfEffect

Maybe it's because the Phalanx had to be replaced almost entirely, so now there's a bunch of Noobs in power.
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: sunphoenix on November 16, 2017, 04:46:10 am
Meh, I'm not so sure... I agree the  Rape-Lev has gone up several notches... but I think Regina is just fine with the guy she has shown interest in... though indeed his {if it even IS actually him right now as he seems under some weird exterior influence right now}... is seriously on the creepy level.  But I think Moby Needs a man like Crest almost as much as he needs a woman like her... he's so repressed and she's so forward... I think they would be good for each other.  Moby's current approach is not necessarily out of character for her... but with their previous 'encounter'... something is clearly off. Moby seems more likely to have more self possession of herself her dignity than to come crawling naked begging to some man's bed... THAT seems out of character for her. 

Whatever influence is affecting the others... it seems it is an imperfect influence as Crest, Regina, and the other Raven -haired girl seem to be unaffected or at least resisting the weirdness influence...

And could some one post a listing of all the character names...?  I'm having trouble remembering all their names... Thx.
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: SirBananaPie on November 17, 2017, 12:39:51 am
I dunno about the sex thing... I think Crest and Regina need someone to open their hearts to, not just someone for plugging genitals together. But one of the things this comic rides on is showing the occasional naked female body, so I figured it's simply that time of the comic again. :P That's why Moby and that Dude got to be in Phalanx. Competence is overrated. 8) Only Q'talda gets to be competent. The rest is just there to get Worfed.

I agree on the character list. I read about two dozen web comics and I keep forgetting names in literally all of them. Character galleries help sooo much, but unfortunately not many comics have them.
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: SAGG on November 17, 2017, 03:37:02 am
Okay, this is beyond creepy. Yet it's quite timely given what's going on with what some men are doing these days to some women, don't you all think? 😞
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: SirBananaPie on November 17, 2017, 07:01:16 am
If you refer to sexual abuse in reality, then sadly the problem is way bigger than what happened recently, because it has happened throughout our entire history. What is happening nowadays is that more and more of that horrible stuff comes to light, because more and more people actually care about it. Also thanks to the internet, victims can make themselves heard a lot louder (see #metoo).
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: bulmabriefs144 on November 17, 2017, 08:34:02 pm
Yeah, they're giving the Phalanx a bad name. Or, if they were just hypnotized to act this way, they merely look weak. So, pretty much anyone besides Q'talda and that elderly guy who was able to resist Suspiria's hypnotism (but still died afair) reminds me of this:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheWorfEffect

Maybe it's because the Phalanx had to be replaced almost entirely, so now there's a bunch of Noobs in power.

Are we in fact sure that Suspiria has hypnotism? Crest believes this, but Crest is also getting fooled by this weirdness. For that matter...
http://flipside.keenspot.com/comic.php?i=2839
This question remains. Not only is Suspiria in a position that her revenge couldn't be justified even with a confession, but it basically shows her as more confused than her allies.
http://flipside.keenspot.com/comic.php?i=2845
And this. Only thing that makes sense, Suspiria wasn't hypnotizing anyone, because she was controlled too.

Another thought.
http://flipside.keenspot.com/comic.php?i=1819
http://flipside.keenspot.com/comic.php?i=1821
Using scams and accomplices. I don't believe Mr. Smoker Guy is a bad, I think he's a dupe too. However...
   

We currently don't know what is in fact going on, but it seems like they aren't as innocent as they appear.
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: sunphoenix on November 19, 2017, 09:19:06 am
Sorry... but I'm still not buying that Suspiria is mad, or delusional.. I think she is quite certain and quite correct... but she might have been misled as to whom Qtalda really is and WHY her parents were killed, replaced, duplicated, or just plan mind-screwed as everyone else I'm thinking.. 

Clearly, Melter, was thought to be a minion of Lem... but who is REALLY pulling Lem's strings?
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: weirdguy on November 19, 2017, 09:47:13 pm
oh no, they've caught the naked disease
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: MaronaPossessed on November 20, 2017, 08:00:41 am
Now I instantly hate that girl.
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: Kiran on November 20, 2017, 10:25:02 am
It kinda makes me wonder why people are thinking that of what we are seeing in recent pages to be some mind/behaviour manipulation?

Moby is really into Crest and as we saw already she doesn't take no for an answer plus she can't really live it in that someone can reject her after she would go with her full attack mode. She isn't really acting OOC if what Vennice are saying about them to be true. Poor girl simply doesn't know what to do with her feelings and this is the only sad way she can express herself.

And maybe who knows, Crest will get raped and he will lose his pesky virginity once and for all ;)
It would be a really rare thing to see a male character dealing with rape issue from being forced into sex by a woman.
In previous chapters we saw Polly getting turned into sex slave for Bern sake, Bern and Polly making out to some guy watching pleasure, we saw May getting abused to reach the truth in really horrible way, so maybe it's Crest time to finally get as much sexual, humilitation or abusing attention other MCs get in the comic too for once?

Also seeing what Glyph is doing he really took a liking to Regina, and as we saw Regina took a liking to him too, so maybe it might be mutual and just natural to happen in such stressfull environment they are now.

The only way I could take it as something unnatural/mind control is if Vennice would suddenly go for Buzz, since both of them of what we saw so far weren't really interested in things like that and that would be OOC.
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: bulmabriefs144 on November 20, 2017, 05:36:55 pm
I'll say it again. There is something not right about these three.


Individually, these seem like separate actions. But all of these served to string Regina and Crest along, to get them to join up in this "investigation." It feels more like a Body Snatcher plot to me. Like at some point, they get their fangs in (so to speak) and try to change them into their way of thinking. 
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: SirBananaPie on November 21, 2017, 03:23:09 am
I'll say it again. There is something not right about these three.

  • Who led the party to that weird inn? (Glyph, despite Ber's objection) (http://flipside.keenspot.com/comic.php?i=822)
  • Who led them to the town of Convergence? (Vennice) Who asked for this info? (Glyph again, basically getting her to introduce them to the town they are now in) (http://flipside.keenspot.com/comic.php?i=2835)
  • Who verified the story of the parents when Mr. Smoker Guy believed he saw them for years? (Vennice, Moby) (http://flipside.keenspot.com/comic.php?i=2313)
  • Who tried to seduce him?(Moby, also notice the "monsters" quote) (http://flipside.keenspot.com/comic.php?i=2819) And Regina? (Glyph, notice how both Glyph and Moby push the other away when they try to make the first move, kinda like whatever has to be rape to work) (http://flipside.keenspot.com/comic.php?i=2833)

Oh. So it's her second attempt. O_O Or, you know, her twenty-second attempt, if Mary's victims increased by 1 for each time-loop (3 through 23 is 21 times).
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: sunphoenix on November 22, 2017, 12:47:01 pm
OH..CRAP!!!

...is the knife for him.. or for her?!?  She needs a bloody suicide by a guy she likes almost as much as she needs her throat slit by a guy she likes!
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: bulmabriefs144 on November 22, 2017, 03:15:09 pm
A woman needs a suicide like a fish needs a bicycle.
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: SirBananaPie on November 23, 2017, 01:08:53 am
It's so good to see that there's at least one character in the "Phalanx" who admits to being no good. He can be the apple:
"Hey, hey what's-your-name! Hey!"
"What?"
"KNIFE!!!"

Annoying Orange

And Moby can be next for all I care.
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: sunphoenix on November 23, 2017, 09:19:36 am
I guess.. I'm just a bit more forgiving?  I truly do not wish to see anyone die or be punished if they can admit that their lives have not been lived well, their choices and motivations clearly not in their or anyone else's actual best interested IF they are truly sorry and wish to try to make changes in their lives to make a concerted effort to make amends and become better people instead in their future.

I must believe in repentance and redemption... or what's the point in life?  We ALL have done things in our lives that in hindsight were bad choices, selfish, cruel or just plain thoughtless.  We all need forgiveness for the things we have done to others that we may not even realize... if there is no redemption, no chance of repenting from our misdeeds... if there is no forgiveness ~ then there truly is no hope.  I know I need forgiveness for the things I have done, either knowingly or worse... unwittingly.

My point is.. the Phalanx are just like everyone else..they are not perfect they are not without flaws. 

Moby is a professed Nihilst... that's a pretty bleak way to look at life nothing matters but the now of desire.. no future, no hope.. no true love.  Love is not a thing of only the now... it is an undying desire to put someone else's well being before your own.  We all need love.. lust can trick us with gratification.. but it is hollow in the end.. like a 'drug high' is far too soon over.. it leaves you with nothing to live on.  But love.. is a light in your heart that never fades and warms you in the darkest most hopeless moments.  Moby has nothing like that... so though I find ANY form of rape offensive.. I understand what she might be feeling... its not right but what I think she really needs is someone to love her unreservedly.  She thinks sex will satisfy the gaping hole in her heart.. and she is wrong.. its just all she knows.. cause she has no hope.. and no love.
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: bulmabriefs144 on November 23, 2017, 08:03:05 pm
Ironically, I think life is two unhealthy extremes.

To loosely paraphrase the Bible there is the person who says they are without sin (who "deceives themselves") basically an arrogant jerk who can never admit their faults. Alot of the reason people shy away from churches is because there are entirely too many moral Pharisee types here. This is why Jesus, if they were here today, probably wouldn't attend church.
But that's not the whole story. One of the first things God says after humans eat that fruit (it's not actually an apple), is "who told you that you were naked?" Now this sounds like a throwaway line but it's not. The implication here is that (without the fruit) they would not have a superego telling them "I'm naked, I should be ashamed!" Honestly, guilt's most of sin (https://www.ncronline.org/blogs/soul-seeing/sin-makes-guilt-and-guilt-makes-fear-and-fear-and-guilt-make-more-sin) right there, not the action itself.

In science, the superego is often held up as a moral paragon, while the id and ego are looked upon as lesser drives. But tbh, if we had a little less misplaced guilt and more "this was definitely wrong, but I'll see what I can do" less people would commit suicide. Which is why I don't share your optimism about people who show regret dying or being punished. Yes they shouldn't be, but honestly, most punishment is actually self-inflicted.

From my life, 2/3 of it was, despite not being Catholic (like the link above), a struggle with working to prove myself, constantly falling short, and feeling miserable led me to an eventual struggle with depression. It was only after I read two secular books (why I don't believe in "holy" books anymore, my healing was not from the hotel Gideon but from the psych section) which helped me significantly: When Panic Attacks and The Gifts of Imperfection. Both were saying exactly the same thing, that humans spend entirely too much energy trying to be perfect, and measure up to others.

For my work the day before Thanksgiving, we had to mark notecards with a green dot and stick them into packs or 20. Between OCD counting and recounting these damned cards for quantity, and and the fact that my coworker seemed to be flying through this while my hands were fumbling through each card trying to unstick them from the pile, it was slow going. I got screwed up precisely because I started to compare myself to her. But the point is, I was thankful we got the job done regardless.

It's easy to beat yourself up and stuff but that's part of despair.
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: SirBananaPie on November 24, 2017, 02:12:38 am
Yeah, in Real Life I agree. When it comes to fictional characters however, I just like to be heartless sometimes. ::) Unworthy characters can just stay away from the story, so we can focus on the ones which are actually competent instead. So the so-called "Phalanx" can go get Worfed somewhere else for all I care. Except for Q'talda. I like her.

Of course there's always the option of them prooving themselves, but Moby isn't doing a good job at it. Knife-dude is a nice guy I guess. So let's see who is actually competent.
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: bulmabriefs144 on November 24, 2017, 05:21:48 am
Oh don't misunderstand, I'm not saying I want someone like Glyph to off themselves. The exact opposite actually. I'm saying "feeling remorseful" doesn't tend to go well with "staying alive." Even though typically remorseless characters are likely the ones that everyone wants to kill off in either case.

Unless they've got an axe to grind. I've been watching Hollywood try to defend these molesters, and it's a prudish standard for us common folk but for Weinstein, who probably is unrepentant of all the people who screwed (literally), they defend him because they owe their jobs to him.

Also, I really really hate Moby. Even though Crest kinda does need to understand that his early behavior to Maytag wasn't cool. He was kinda all "let's make out" even after she was like... actually, I need to re-read this part to see if Crest remotely deserves any of this, but I'm gonna bet odds on "not a chance in hell."

http://flipside.keenspot.com/comic.php?i=195

Gasp, I knew it! Crest is evil.  ;D It looks like the only thing Crest is guilty of is being too decent (not a compliment, he basically told her that she's scum for cheating on her boyfriend).   
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: Kiran on November 24, 2017, 11:11:09 am
Gasp, I knew it! Crest is evil.  ;D It looks like the only thing Crest is guilty of is being too decent (not a compliment, he basically told her that she's scum for cheating on her boyfriend).
Look what being decent and trying to be a good 'wife' to Maytag done to Bern over the course of the comic?
Decent characters always get the bad moments, especially females, so it would be nice to at least once see things done to Crest like they were done many times to either Maytag or Bern or Polly just for wanting to act in a good way for someone.
In a way I want to see some kind of equality in either abuse or humilitation done to Crest on similiar level that was done to May and Bern in their chapters since he is basically a 3rd MC of this comic.
But then Crest is a guy so maybe he will get spared since it's easier to do such things to female characters.
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: bulmabriefs144 on November 24, 2017, 01:55:53 pm
Geez, you're rough!  :o

Also, not entirely true. This trope is common because men tend to have self-induced guilt for their entire gender for what the worst ones do.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DoubleStandardAbuseFemaleOnMale
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/UsefulNotes/Abuse

It's generally seen as hard or impossible to abuse men, but this is simply not true.

Bottom line, even if it were equal, Crest doesn't deserve this stuff any more than they did.

Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: SAGG on November 27, 2017, 02:32:53 pm
Yeah, Suspira's working some magic around here, I'm sure of it...
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: Kiran on November 27, 2017, 03:09:19 pm
Geez, you're rough!  :o

Also, not entirely true. This trope is common because men tend to have self-induced guilt for their entire gender for what the worst ones do.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DoubleStandardAbuseFemaleOnMale
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/UsefulNotes/Abuse

It's generally seen as hard or impossible to abuse men, but this is simply not true.

Bottom line, even if it were equal, Crest doesn't deserve this stuff any more than they did.
Of course but if author decided to abuse the female MCs in both physical and also sexual way so many times already for various reasons, then won't you agree that a 3rd MC too should get a piece of that ugly pie for equality reasoning?
Bern didn't deserve most of the things which happened to her, basically from start of the story with Maytag cheating spree, but as we see they happened.
I know it's more welcomed to do such things to female characters cause it sells better as fanservice motive and abusing females is more common than guys, especially seeing the good honest female pushed into doing dirty things she is ashamed of doing etc. but Crest is basically male version of Bern as morals and monogamous feelings go, so I want to see him getting broken as Bern was pushed to do or at least have a hints of that from psychological standpoint, give him some depth than throwing new girls at him as his character developoment :P
If a person is an MC of the comic he deserves same fate like other characters, gender should not be any excuse here to not give such fate to Crest.
Basically it actually would be interesting to see Crest pushed in similiar way like Bern, May and finally Polly were, to have sex to earn his freedom or to save someone, and then be sulking about it after. But like I said I don't think this comic will ever go that way for guys since i bet many readers self-insert too much into Crest persona than trying to judge him as actually important character in the story they prefer him as joke harem protag...
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: bulmabriefs144 on November 27, 2017, 06:46:50 pm
Pffft, fairness.

Somewhere I have a FB post of three ppl stuck in... fecal matter.

One has significantly less than the others, and the two squawk at this, saying it's unfair that he isn't in as much as them. The point he immediately brings up is "shouldn't we be trying to find a way OUT of this crap?" It was a joke, but pretty spot on. When we tear down people who are actively trying to fix things, what good have we really done?

I happen to be white, but I give to charities and at my job I try to help all kinds of people out. I am not rich by any stretch, but people who would accuse me of "white privilege" and take my last dime would succeed only in making one less person help them out.

Crest does not deserve to be raped. Nor did May deserve to be stripped naked, or Bern/Polly to be sexually and financially abused. Life does happen, but we much never believe rape is part of "justice".
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: Deuce on November 29, 2017, 03:00:47 pm
No one deserves to be raped. But lots of people get raped, women and men, and it needs to be addressed. Which is why it's important to have it presented in an equal manner in fiction. I don't like what's going on here, but I appreciate that Brion is including it as part of his story.
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: MaronaPossessed on November 29, 2017, 03:17:39 pm
*grabs popcorn and eats*
...what?! it's not often you see something like this in a story!
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: SirBananaPie on November 29, 2017, 11:49:50 pm
No one deserves to be raped. But lots of people get raped, women and men, and it needs to be addressed. Which is why it's important to have it presented in an equal manner in fiction. I don't like what's going on here, but I appreciate that Brion is including it as part of his story.
Amen to that. Couldn't have said it better myself.

Somehow I still believe Mopy[sic] isn't herself right now. Maybe some emotion-amplifying spell was placed on her or something. Same for Ms. "it's all my fault".

In panel 1 Moby's shadow in her left eye looks kinda like her pupil when watched from a distance, she at my first glance I had the impression that she became insane enough to look derp-eyed. ;D Crest should totally say "If I give you a muffin, will you let me go?"
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: Stargoat on December 01, 2017, 02:05:18 pm
Yeah. Someone's got some magic that is messing people up.
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: sunphoenix on December 02, 2017, 01:53:00 pm
Yeah. Someone's got some magic that is messing people up.

Yeah... talk about 50 shades of CRAZY...!
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: Stargoat on December 04, 2017, 10:08:45 am
Yeah, Suspira's working some magic around here, I'm sure of it...

Nah, she'll save everyone. I'm convinced she's good, but just a little horny. You know. Like the rest of us.
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: SAGG on December 06, 2017, 06:45:55 am
Is Vennice gonna get rid of her eye, too...?  ???  ;D
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: sunphoenix on December 08, 2017, 04:36:47 am
AHHH! Gratifying to know... my faith in Crest's insight into his friends is sustained... I hoped he would realize there must be something outside of all this influencing poor Moby.
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: bulmabriefs144 on December 10, 2017, 04:21:53 am
i have an issue with this scene. Remember how I had issue with the rape? It's the same deal. Crest is guilty of the same thing that Moby is trying to do to her "this is what you want/this is not what you want, do this, do this instead." I'm sure all of you have read Green Eggs and Ham. How much sympathy did you feel with Sam I Am? If you're anything like me, you'd say "none." The guy bullies ppl tell them that this is what they REALLY want until they break down and try the thing. Did (what's his name) enjoy the eggs at Sam I Am's request, or did he merely humor the guy at vain attempt to finally be left alone. What kind of story is it where anyone is supposed to identify with the bully (hence the fact that Sam I Am is named wehile the other guy is just another victim in his worldwide quest to enslave all others under the banner of green eggs and ham :D )? No, nobody deserves to be raped, no one also deserves to be told what is and isn't their decision.

Spells like this can't generate something that isn't already there. She does have feelings for him, the difference is the intensity is distorted by magic. So telling her that her feelings, her decisions aren't real, is basicaly denying her agency. We have the right to make poor decisions based on our personal feelings, without being told "this isn't you" and led down a narrow path, just as we have the right not to be raped.

Yeah, I know this is a rant. But it's something similar to what I heard in church a couple weeks ago. Someone was praying when they had prayers and concerns, for her friend who had decided to skip the last round of chemo and instead pursue alt medicine, "I pray that she will see the error of her ways." I don't think you get to pray that kind of thing. Pray that even though you don't agree with it, it turns out okay. But don't pray for mind control.
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: sunphoenix on December 10, 2017, 07:55:55 am
Mrs Trunks I respectfully  think you're missing some of the point here...

Remember how insulted Moby was when Crest inferred her actions were a little 'Rapey'? She was clearly affronted that such a seriously criminal intent was attributed to her advances. She said she was only doing this because it's what most guys would accept and wanted anyways, she was no rapist and Never needed to force herself on anyone.

Crest made it clear he needed more in his relationships than just sex... he wants his partner's  love affection and commitment ~ not his words exactly  but inferred.

Moby accepted Crest's declining her advances and respected even if she didn't quite understand his choice.

Now she is actually trying to force sexual contact without consent on someone she calls her friend... if he believes her indignity about being inferred as being a potential rapist... THIS sudden change of her approach, even using magic to force her way on someone (I'd forgotten she was a potent sorceress ~ truly, how Sexy is THAT!? ! :)  ), her current actions are certainly out of character... unless she was lying about how most men willingly accept her advances.

Crest is not telling her how she feels he's reminding her what she professed to him before.
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: bulmabriefs144 on December 10, 2017, 04:03:42 pm
I'm not saying it isn't out of character.

I'm saying as a victim of a few "this isn't like you" moments and others where someone tried to guilt-trip me into certain behavior (biggest sore point for me is people who believe I'm a nice person also meaning I'm a pushover when they do exploitative behavior), there is a difference between similar and identical behavior. Not to mention there's moments sometimes, where you've promised to just keep friends... but then you get drunk, and are horny, and that's a bit more difficult.

But yeah, it's obviously a psychological spell.

Update: I still feel this way, even after trying to help a friend who was very much out of character. I don't feel like that's a cool thing to say even if it's the case.
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: SAGG on December 12, 2017, 01:34:25 am
Crest seems to have figured it out, but why hasn't he been affected like everyone else? 😐
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: Brion Foulke on December 12, 2017, 03:04:44 am
OMG!!  This story is crazy, guys!!  What is happening...??
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: SAGG on December 12, 2017, 06:50:45 am
OMG!!  This story is crazy, guys!!  What is happening...??
Uh-oh. If YOU don't know, Brion, then we're all in trouble....  ;D
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: bulmabriefs144 on December 12, 2017, 12:14:12 pm
Plot Twist: Brion's not really writing the story post Eye arc. Someone's mind is filling in the blanks sorta like Lehm's paintbrush.  :o
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: Kiran on December 12, 2017, 12:23:46 pm
We will get two outcomes here:
1) the characters do whatever they do due to psychological trauma, depression, pressure, situation etc playing the big part on their mental health
2) or the infamous characters do whatever they do due to evil magic forcing them to do so
First is an interesting outcome which could force the characters to develop by fightning their problems head on, in similiar way what May and Bern had to do, act and survive through in their stories, and the other is simple we did whatever we did cause a third party magic forced us to act like that and it's of course not our fault at all, so lets move on and forget about it.

Seeing how Crest dealt with Moby like a true Maytag would it's rather the 2nd easy one happening, but maybe i still cling to some hope that what happens started with the characters having these ugly feelings inside and the magic just made it stronger than it being complete mind control evil magic to do bad things. Also since we don't see what other two, meaning Vennice and Glyph, are doing with the knives, seeing Moby was defeated by Crest eyes and voice already, that should be more interesting to see as a result, especially since Glyph has someone to stop him in that moment, while Vennice was looking like someone who will cut her veins alone in the room to just bleed out without anyone noticing.

Seeing the result of Crest vs Moby I'm just disappointed, since I hoped Crest wouldn't get out of it so easy like usual, but maybe that's the boon of being the only male MC in this comic.
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: bulmabriefs144 on December 13, 2017, 03:10:15 pm

Seeing how Crest dealt with Moby like a true Maytag would it's rather the 2nd easy one happening, but maybe i still cling to some hope that what happens started with the characters having these ugly feelings inside and the magic just made it stronger than it being complete mind control evil magic to do bad things. Also since we don't see what other two, meaning Vennice and Glyph, are doing with the knives, seeing Moby was defeated by Crest eyes and voice already, that should be more interesting to see as a result, especially since Glyph has someone to stop him in that moment, while Vennice was looking like someone who will cut her veins alone in the room to just bleed out without anyone noticing.

Seeing the result of Crest vs Moby I'm just disappointed, since I hoped Crest wouldn't get out of it so easy like usual, but maybe that's the boon of being the only male MC in this comic.

Since Regina seems to be in a dark zone, I assume she is actually asleep. Especially since she didn't respond much in the latter part. So, odds on him getting saved are not as good as you'd think.

Also, I willing to lay 10:1 odds that Lehm is NOT the bad guy in this story. It seems more like someone is running the government, from a sadistic kick of messing with people.

You might want to relook at Crest.

http://flipside.keenspot.com/comic.php?i=1437
http://flipside.keenspot.com/comic.php?i=1441

He is not resisting and being a hero like Maytag. It amplified his jerkishness. Which just happened to screw with Moby's own issues.
Title: Re: Chapter 49: Discussion
Post by: sunphoenix on December 13, 2017, 07:37:47 pm
I don't get what your saying here..

How is Crest being a jerk by refusing unwanted sexual contact that is about to be forced upon HIM? 
How is HE being a jerk by reminding Moby what she'd already rejected as 'Not the way she is'.. {ie. being Rapey}?

I think your seeing what you want to see.. projecting your hang up on his wording, onto the situation instead of any actual character flaw on Crest's part.