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Title: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: Brion Foulke on August 14, 2013, 10:41:39 pm
This is the thread for discussing Chapter 38: The Bone Structure of Revenge
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: Lord Stone on August 16, 2013, 04:04:21 pm
I really hope you didn't just re-enter Mary to have her killed off like that... but it sure does look that way  :(
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: weirdguy on August 16, 2013, 11:05:29 pm
unless she has some sorta freaky ability in which she can regenerate from her skeleton later when they throw out her remains

that would really suck for them
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: Saratje on August 19, 2013, 09:35:13 am
I'm half hoping Susperia pops up and helps her out. I have always felt Mary has redeeming qualities. Maybe with her going to the big city, eating up the badguys while standing up for all who are unfortunate, ironically fulfilling her wish of being a champion of the people, in a morbid, canibal way. :P I hope she's somehow spared or saved, unless her being destroyed by the wizards serves as some example to show how strong they are, only for Susperia to maybe someday wipe them out  in turn, without effort, giving a contrast of how immensely powerful Susperia might be.
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: Stargoat on August 19, 2013, 02:44:05 pm
Looking fairly permanent.
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: Saratje on August 19, 2013, 05:08:39 pm
Looks like it. :( Unless the Slender Thin Man somehow had a failsafe, or she can restore from her ashes. If not atleast she's at peace.
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: Stargoat on August 20, 2013, 09:25:13 am
More like at molecules.
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: weirdguy on August 20, 2013, 09:01:33 pm
unless we were just given an entire lecture on nanomachines for some specific, plot related reason

(the emphasis is on organic matter!)

that being said, the other woman with the naked tattoo power didn't quite survive her ordeal, but then again she wasn't specifically granted freakish regeneration powers

overall this seems very anticlimactic
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: Andrea on August 21, 2013, 04:47:48 am
Hmmmmm... ... ...

I really don't like Suspiria-bone-horned-lady design :(
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: sunphoenix on August 21, 2013, 08:39:51 pm
You know... Moby's expression does not say she isn't enjoying Crests "too-tight" embrace!
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: sunphoenix on August 26, 2013, 03:22:57 pm
Hmmm...? :)

... {Lascivious grin...}... I wonder home much 'cumming' she will demand of him? ;)

Crest - "Er..so your telling me level five sorcery is... tantric?" {So that's why's she so horny... eek! I hope I can survive this!!!}
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: Abstract Vagabond on August 26, 2013, 11:41:44 pm
"Come with me."

Crest: "Yes Mistress Sus... WAIT A MINUTE!!"
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: sunphoenix on August 28, 2013, 06:34:55 pm
"Members of the conclave we must all gather in one place to decided what to do about Suspirna AND effectively make ourselves a collective target of opportunity!"

lols!
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: Stargoat on August 30, 2013, 03:59:42 pm
Is Shepard there?
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: Stargoat on September 03, 2013, 10:15:00 am
And Crazy Pants girl seems to have a point.
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: Smiles on September 05, 2013, 01:27:52 am
i really like the shading in the bottom right corner ^_^  and looking forward to whats next as usual brion ^_^
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: weirdguy on September 06, 2013, 03:11:33 am
heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeere's johnny

i hope this goes somewhere, i never trusted "person with bandages hiding her entire face"
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: Gillsing on September 06, 2013, 12:04:45 pm
Aww... I was hoping for some truth-telling. Come on, tell me some truths!
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: sunphoenix on September 07, 2013, 12:50:58 pm
"That which has been seen cannot be UN-seen."

I expect she wears those bandages for a very good reason.  And I agree.. I never really trusted her either...

Yes, some truth would be nice... I'm not sure here who is in the right ...as both their methods seem to be the same..kill those who have or may potentially wronged you.  Neither is on the, per se, "solid moral ground" here.
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: Stargoat on September 12, 2013, 07:46:17 am
No one is denying this yet.


EDIT - And now Crazy Pants has casus belli.
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: Gillsing on September 13, 2013, 11:14:36 am
Ahhh, Qtalda, you executioner, you. I wonder if it's legal to wipe memories from traumatised children in the hopes that they won't grow up to want revenge for their dead criminal parents? Seems a bit iffy to me, but maybe the Phalanx can do stuff like that with no legal repercussions?
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: Shazam on September 15, 2013, 10:48:37 pm
Qtilda: Why yes, it is Grey Poupon
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: Gillsing on September 16, 2013, 07:24:47 am
Looks like Suspiria was too much of a genius for them to contain with their web of deceit. Win some, lose everything. :o

Well, maybe. I guess there's a small possibility that she won't kill them all and destroy everything they've worked so hard to build.
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: Stargoat on September 16, 2013, 07:44:05 am
Crazypants still seems crazy.  But a little less insane.
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: Shazam on September 16, 2013, 09:17:28 am
Qdilda: This trap will stop even a class 4 sorcerer
Suspiria: ....
Qtilda: *faceless smug expression*
Suspiria: The trap would indeed stop a class 4 sorcerer, it's a shame I'm a class 5 sorcerer
Qtilda: Whut?
Suspiria: Or perhaps that was just a distraction so my boy there could wallop one of your friends from behind. Suck it!
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: Gillsing on September 19, 2013, 03:04:45 am
I'm thinking that Crest's role was to hear what Qtalda just admitted. Whether or not Suspiria will live through this still seems to be up in the air. Sure, she might have the power to survive, but if she needed Crest there to witness the event, possibly with one of those sending stones or whatever they're called, then she might be willing to sacrifice herself to reveal the truth.

Or perhaps she just sacrificed a clone? Because who knows what strange powers she might have.
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: weirdguy on September 20, 2013, 01:06:03 pm
breaking the fourth wall here, but I kind of doubt somebody can just kill off two characters in one part of an arc without there being any actual reason storywise, so I'll be waiting to see what comes of this
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: Stargoat on September 20, 2013, 07:52:27 pm
Kind of on the edge of my seat.
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: Shazam on September 21, 2013, 03:33:54 pm
Kind of on the edge of my seat.

I am too. I imagine there is more to Suspiria's plan than to be a sacrifice as she couldn't have known he would confess. It does undermine the whole Conclave if they were using those projection gems to broadcast it, but again there wasn't any reason to know Qtilda would have confessed so easily.

So I'm curious. I admit as well I hold out hope of Blood Mary. Why? Because in any work of fiction whether a TV show or book or otherwise, there are certain chars which catch the audience's attention far more than expected. It's why you see certain chars intended only for a single episode or arc take off and become major parts of a show's story. The same happens in comics and elsewhere. Sort of pre-web virality. When an author stumbles onto a char that resonates like that, it's worth expanding on it because it isn't so common. So cross fingers in that regard.

That of course is a whole separate issue from what Suspiria's plan is and what's happened to her. Perhaps she's simply learned to co-opt those tiny little machines to hold her essence until she decides to return her body now that she's a magical savant? The body itself was a construct to fool Qtilda? I don't know. I suppose she could be dead, but that would indeed seem a bit bleh, particularly as ties back to Crest too. Look forward to seeing how it all plays out though.
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: sunphoenix on September 23, 2013, 11:57:57 am
Why are there three Bloody Mary's...?

"Healthy diet, no unhealthy habits {well beside that cannibalism thing} and regular exercise..."
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: Stargoat on September 23, 2013, 12:27:01 pm
And you know that's not lean meat.
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: weirdguy on September 23, 2013, 01:37:59 pm
sorry to be critical here, but i think the sudden narration followed by the "tweeeest" sort of killed the impact of the whole thing

like, if there wasn't any words on that page, i think it would work better

ps: bloody mary in hoodie = cute
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: Smiles on September 24, 2013, 01:08:38 am
3 bloody marys? *blinks* color me intrigued
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: UmberIsSexy on September 24, 2013, 08:08:33 pm
OK having trouble with updates only coming three times a week now...these last few pages have left me dying to see the next one.

Why the hell indeed are there 3 Marys???  I assume Suspiria's fine, then, as well.  But what's happening??  Is the phalanx going down?  I hope there is at least partial resolution by the end of this chapter!  So many big cans of worms have been opened!
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: Shazam on September 25, 2013, 07:49:04 am
Well things are interesting then.

So some interesting questions that come up then are:

Does the spell do what Qtilda thinks it does? Perhaps it isn't simply a flesh eating disease, but something that disassembles and reassembles people elsewhere. Since we now have nano-magico machines floating about it's possible.

Was Qtilda perhaps an earlier experiment of the Thin Man? Is that why his/her face is covered and judgement is more extreme?

Where did the spell even come from?

Where are the 3 Marys, as obviously they are still getting fed people so not being held by an 'altruist'.

Fun times, fun times.
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: Jindra34 on September 25, 2013, 10:45:24 am
And Qtilda's plan completely failed. Check better next time Qtilda.
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: SAGG on September 25, 2013, 12:54:04 pm
If there is a next time, by which I'm thinking somehow there won't...
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: Saratje on September 26, 2013, 01:38:16 am
Theory: Whenever someone cuts a limb off Mary, not only does Mary grow a new limb, but the amputated limb itself also grows a new Mary.

One of the Mary's has much longer hair, I'm guessing she's the original, and not the Mary who got 'erased'.
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: Jindra34 on September 27, 2013, 05:46:49 am
Hey, what happened to the box?
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: sunphoenix on September 27, 2013, 06:36:11 am
Suspira - "How will you kill me when you're already dead?"

LOL!  Ok Kenshiro! :)

"Blade II", Blade - "...couldn't you just blush?"
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: UmberIsSexy on September 27, 2013, 05:38:41 pm
Hey, what happened to the box?

Guess it disappeared when they stopped focusing on creating it.
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: Shazam on September 30, 2013, 12:38:26 am
Interesting.

A few questions:


And not much there under Qtilda's clothing. I think another reveal is still due :)

Fun times.
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: SAGG on September 30, 2013, 01:26:10 am
Interesting.

A few questions:

  • In panel 5, is that supposed to be the mage lifting his hand and seeing it being eaten away?
  • If it's a retribution trap and only the caster has the spell reflected, why are people other than Qtilda getting eaten away? Wouldn't it actually just put a box trap around the other casters?
  • Halcyon wasn't involved in the casting at all, so why would any spell reflect on him?

And not much there under Qtilda's clothing. I think another reveal is still due :)

Fun times.

Not to mention that Halcyon seemed to be not quite as much as a bad guy as the others here. he should be given a tiny break for his complicity. Man, things are REALLY getting interesting now...
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: Azure Priest on September 30, 2013, 07:38:02 am
Well things are interesting then.

So some interesting questions that come up then are:

Does the spell do what Qtilda thinks it does? Perhaps it isn't simply a flesh eating disease, but something that disassembles and reassembles people elsewhere. Since we now have nano-magico machines floating about it's possible.

Was Qtilda perhaps an earlier experiment of the Thin Man? Is that why his/her face is covered and judgement is more extreme?

Where did the spell even come from?

Where are the 3 Marys, as obviously they are still getting fed people so not being held by an 'altruist'.

Fun times, fun times.

Well, first guess is that even though the "Thin Man" may have called Mary a "failure," the others, especially Melter called her a "breakthrough" and they simply created more of her. Considering that Thin Man doesn't seem to give a hoot what his organization members do (outside from bringing him fresh test subjects), one or more of his subordinates could easily be experimenting on those three "Bloody Mary."
Interesting.

A few questions:

  • In panel 5, is that supposed to be the mage lifting his hand and seeing it being eaten away?
  • If it's a retribution trap and only the caster has the spell reflected, why are people other than Qtilda getting eaten away? Wouldn't it actually just put a box trap around the other casters?
  • Halcyon wasn't involved in the casting at all, so why would any spell reflect on him?

And not much there under Qtilda's clothing. I think another reveal is still due :)

Fun times.

Qtalda revealed that the "Spell" is not a D&D "disintegrate" spell, but in fact summons a rather nasty bacterium that eats all organic elements. As Pru of "Charmed" once said about the "Nothing," "Good, bad it all tastes the same." This bacterium spread through the grass and weeds along the ground and got everyone in attendance, except for Suspira who is airborne because Qtalda did not have a containment "box" placed around her beforehand.

As for Halcyon, even if he is somehow not liable for the actions of his subordinates, he is still guilty of extreme criminal negligence in Suspira's case, as a simple contact attempt with Suspira's parents (for counselling if nothing else) would have quickly shown something was wrong. Further, since Qtalda's story clearly shows that Suspira's parents attempted to pull her out of school, and were quite adamant, their sudden "acceptance" and years-long silence should have been blaring alarm bells that Halcyon ignored.

The really scary thing about this is how thoroughly Suspira thought this through. To date she's been way too impulsive to pull something like this off. I just hope she's got some kind of plan to keep Crest from getting infected. Seeing how she may not know the true nature of Qtalda's spell, however, I consider the chances slim.

To the confessed murderer, Qtalda and her merry band of collusionists, I say "payback's a bitch, bitch! Hope YOU like being 'erased.' It's for the good of the country, after all. We can't have the Conclave go 'rogue' and start slaughtering citizens without trial now can we?"
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: Shazam on September 30, 2013, 10:11:15 am

Qtalda revealed that the "Spell" is not a D&D "disintegrate" spell, but in fact summons a rather nasty bacterium that eats all organic elements. As Pru of "Charmed" once said about the "Nothing," "Good, bad it all tastes the same." This bacterium spread through the grass and weeds along the ground and got everyone in attendance, except for Suspira who is airborne because Qtalda did not have a containment "box" placed around her beforehand.

Though he has used it before. I suppose he may have some sort of 'autoclave' spell to sterilize the cube. I admit I thought about whether it was just the spell spreading naturally in the grass, but that doesn't quite mesh with what Suspira claimed her false dummy did, which was reflect a spell on the person who cast it. Of course, she could have just lied but they were already afflicted.

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As for Halcyon, even if he is somehow not liable for the actions of his subordinates, he is still guilty of extreme criminal negligence in Suspira's case, as a simple contact attempt with Suspira's parents (for counselling if nothing else) would have quickly shown something was wrong. Further, since Qtalda's story clearly shows that Suspira's parents attempted to pull her out of school, and were quite adamant, their sudden "acceptance" and years-long silence should have been blaring alarm bells that Halcyon ignored.

The really scary thing about this is how thoroughly Suspira thought this through. To date she's been way too impulsive to pull something like this off. I just hope she's got some kind of plan to keep Crest from getting infected. Seeing how she may not know the true nature of Qtalda's spell, however, I consider the chances slim.

To the confessed murderer, Qtalda and her merry band of collusionists, I say "payback's a bitch, bitch! Hope YOU like being 'erased.' It's for the good of the country, after all. We can't have the Conclave go 'rogue' and start slaughtering citizens without trial now can we?"

I wasn't really questioning whether Halcyon or anyone else was liable. I was more trying to picture how the effects of the flesh eating microbes afflicting everyone indiscriminately represented the 'reflection' of the spell back on the caster.

I'm still curious what will show up under Qtilda's robes, as unlike everyone else there isn't any decaying meat there, it's just empty. Hmm.

It's amusing, but it's fun to finally have bad things happen to what seem to be bad people. Nice cathartic.
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: SAGG on September 30, 2013, 10:33:27 am

To the confessed murderer, Qtalda and her merry band of collusionists, I say "payback's a bitch, bitch! Hope YOU like being 'erased.' It's for the good of the country, after all. We can't have the Conclave go 'rogue' and start slaughtering citizens without trial now can we?"

Hm. It's that cut and dry? Suspira's really not that much better than the Conclave to take the law into her own hands, you know...
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: Stargoat on September 30, 2013, 11:12:04 am

To the confessed murderer, Qtalda and her merry band of collusionists, I say "payback's a bitch, bitch! Hope YOU like being 'erased.' It's for the good of the country, after all. We can't have the Conclave go 'rogue' and start slaughtering citizens without trial now can we?"

Hm. It's that cut and dry? Suspira's really not that much better than the Conclave to take the law into her own hands, you know...

I don't believe Suspira is all that concerned about the law or the welfare of the country. 
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: SAGG on September 30, 2013, 11:15:55 am

To the confessed murderer, Qtalda and her merry band of collusionists, I say "payback's a bitch, bitch! Hope YOU like being 'erased.' It's for the good of the country, after all. We can't have the Conclave go 'rogue' and start slaughtering citizens without trial now can we?"

Hm. It's that cut and dry? Suspira's really not that much better than the Conclave to take the law into her own hands, you know...

I don't believe Suspira is all that concerned about the law or the welfare of the country.

Right, and that's my point. She's no better than they are. She might as well cast that spell on herself, since the object(s) of her hate just might be destroyed. What would she have left to do is she succeeds? Destroy everyone else?
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: Stargoat on September 30, 2013, 01:17:30 pm
I would argue Suspira is better.  No one has invested any responsibility with her.  Abusing Great Power is bad.  Abusing Great Power when you have been invested with Great Responsibility is reprehensible.  The crimes individual members of the Conclave committed deserved death (though perhaps not all).  They behaved corruptly by killing people without trial, basically denying those they had promised to protect basic human rights.
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: SAGG on September 30, 2013, 07:26:17 pm
I would argue Suspira is better.  No one has invested any responsibility with her.  Abusing Great Power is bad.  Abusing Great Power when you have been invested with Great Responsibility is reprehensible.  The crimes individual members of the Conclave committed deserved death (though perhaps not all).  They behaved corruptly by killing people without trial, basically denying those they had promised to protect basic human rights.

So noted. However, where do we go from here if Suspira succeeds? Guess we'll find out.
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: Azure Priest on October 01, 2013, 06:21:18 am

To the confessed murderer, Qtalda and her merry band of collusionists, I say "payback's a bitch, bitch! Hope YOU like being 'erased.' It's for the good of the country, after all. We can't have the Conclave go 'rogue' and start slaughtering citizens without trial now can we?"

Hm. It's that cut and dry? Suspira's really not that much better than the Conclave to take the law into her own hands, you know...

Yes, it is. Suspira is clearly acting in self-defense. That is NOT taking the law into your own hands, anymore then shooting an armed robber who breaks into your house. The Conclave (especially Qtalda) has not only confessed to murdering her parents, but have graphically demonstrated their intent and ABILITY to murder her, and upon failing to do so, have stated their unwavering intention to continue attempting to do so until they succeed, regardless of how many others get killed in the process. I should point out how Qtalda told the rest of her accomplices to search the woods for witnesses and "erase them."

Suspira, on the other hand, has given Qtalda every opportunity to not only confess, but to turn herself in. Heck, she even let her doll be "captured" and put up no resistance whatsoever. In fact, Suspira did not cast a single spell on any of the Conclave members, nor did she so much as lift a finger in their general direction. She did express outrage at Qtalda's blase admission that her parents died "for the good of [the country]," and the fact that she held the entire conclave responsible for their murder, but did not mention a single threat at any of them. Had they given her a fair trial instead of attempting to summarily execute her, they'd all still be alive.

At worst, Suspira is guilty of assaulting her fellow students, but as we saw with their behavior at Kin's funeral, when she was eating  dinner with Crest (where they assaulted her), and as they were heading to their dorms (thinking they were unsupervised talking to each other, planning further mischief directed at Suspira), she may well be justified in her attack on them. Halcyon also pointed out that this action is not deserving of death.

I do agree that we have to wonder what Suspira will do now. She is still quite angry, and bitter, and I don't blame her.

As to the three "Mary," I had a rather disturbing thought. Maybe they will be Poly and Bernadette's opponents. It's a pretty sweet deal for Mary and that country.

There really is no "downside" for her. As long as she's in the arena cells, the phalanx can't touch her.  If she kills her opponents, that just means more marks (which means she gets to stay in the cells longer, safe from the phalanx), and catered meals. (Yum)

As for the country, heck, they get rid of their strongest and most dangerous criminals who simply can not abide the "no violence" rule, because only those with a great many marks would choose the arena.
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: SAGG on October 01, 2013, 02:20:40 pm

To the confessed murderer, Qtalda and her merry band of collusionists, I say "payback's a bitch, bitch! Hope YOU like being 'erased.' It's for the good of the country, after all. We can't have the Conclave go 'rogue' and start slaughtering citizens without trial now can we?"

Hm. It's that cut and dry? Suspira's really not that much better than the Conclave to take the law into her own hands, you know...

Yes, it is. Suspira is clearly acting in self-defense. That is NOT taking the law into your own hands, anymore then shooting an armed robber who breaks into your house. The Conclave (especially Qtalda) has not only confessed to murdering her parents, but have graphically demonstrated their intent and ABILITY to murder her, and upon failing to do so, have stated their unwavering intention to continue attempting to do so until they succeed, regardless of how many others get killed in the process. I should point out how Qtalda told the rest of her accomplices to search the woods for witnesses and "erase them."

Suspira, on the other hand, has given Qtalda every opportunity to not only confess, but to turn herself in. Heck, she even let her doll be "captured" and put up no resistance whatsoever. In fact, Suspira did not cast a single spell on any of the Conclave members, nor did she so much as lift a finger in their general direction. She did express outrage at Qtalda's blase admission that her parents died "for the good of [the country]," and the fact that she held the entire conclave responsible for their murder, but did not mention a single threat at any of them. Had they given her a fair trial instead of attempting to summarily execute her, they'd all still be alive.

At worst, Suspira is guilty of assaulting her fellow students, but as we saw with their behavior at Kin's funeral, when she was eating  dinner with Crest (where they assaulted her), and as they were heading to their dorms (thinking they were unsupervised talking to each other, planning further mischief directed at Suspira), she may well be justified in her attack on them. Halcyon also pointed out that this action is not deserving of death.

I do agree that we have to wonder what Suspira will do now. She is still quite angry, and bitter, and I don't blame her.

As to the three "Mary," I had a rather disturbing thought. Maybe they will be Poly and Bernadette's opponents. It's a pretty sweet deal for Mary and that country.

There really is no "downside" for her. As long as she's in the arena cells, the phalanx can't touch her.  If she kills her opponents, that just means more marks (which means she gets to stay in the cells longer, safe from the phalanx), and catered meals. (Yum)

As for the country, heck, they get rid of their strongest and most dangerous criminals who simply can not abide the "no violence" rule, because only those with a great many marks would choose the arena.

And so Halcyon deserves the same fate, eh? You seemed to cut him a tiny break. He was completely bamboozled by Qtalda. I'll tell you what: How about Crest, feeling that Suspria's gone too far, thrusts himself in that ring to stop her? Will she continue, I wonder...?
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: sunphoenix on October 02, 2013, 03:34:53 am

To the confessed murderer, Qtalda and her merry band of collusionists, I say "payback's a bitch, bitch! Hope YOU like being 'erased.' It's for the good of the country, after all. We can't have the Conclave go 'rogue' and start slaughtering citizens without trial now can we?"

Hm. It's that cut and dry? Suspira's really not that much better than the Conclave to take the law into her own hands, you know...

Yes, it is. Suspira is clearly acting in self-defense. That is NOT taking the law into your own hands, anymore then shooting an armed robber who breaks into your house. The Conclave (especially Qtalda) has not only confessed to murdering her parents, but have graphically demonstrated their intent and ABILITY to murder her, and upon failing to do so, have stated their unwavering intention to continue attempting to do so until they succeed, regardless of how many others get killed in the process. I should point out how Qtalda told the rest of her accomplices to search the woods for witnesses and "erase them."

Suspira, on the other hand, has given Qtalda every opportunity to not only confess, but to turn herself in. Heck, she even let her doll be "captured" and put up no resistance whatsoever. In fact, Suspira did not cast a single spell on any of the Conclave members, nor did she so much as lift a finger in their general direction. She did express outrage at Qtalda's blase admission that her parents died "for the good of [the country]," and the fact that she held the entire conclave responsible for their murder, but did not mention a single threat at any of them. Had they given her a fair trial instead of attempting to summarily execute her, they'd all still be alive.

At worst, Suspira is guilty of assaulting her fellow students, but as we saw with their behavior at Kin's funeral, when she was eating  dinner with Crest (where they assaulted her), and as they were heading to their dorms (thinking they were unsupervised talking to each other, planning further mischief directed at Suspira), she may well be justified in her attack on them. Halcyon also pointed out that this action is not deserving of death.

I do agree that we have to wonder what Suspira will do now. She is still quite angry, and bitter, and I don't blame her.

As to the three "Mary," I had a rather disturbing thought. Maybe they will be Poly and Bernadette's opponents. It's a pretty sweet deal for Mary and that country.

There really is no "downside" for her. As long as she's in the arena cells, the phalanx can't touch her.  If she kills her opponents, that just means more marks (which means she gets to stay in the cells longer, safe from the phalanx), and catered meals. (Yum)

As for the country, heck, they get rid of their strongest and most dangerous criminals who simply can not abide the "no violence" rule, because only those with a great many marks would choose the arena.

Personally.. I agree with you 100%!

Halcyon even when Qtalda confessed to her crime and then EVEN told her cronies to search the woods for any witnesses to 'erase'... Halcyon STILL did not speak up or take action to oppose her directly or even condemn her actions! 

Sounds like collusion to me... even if the silent Roman Catholic Church [1940's] assent at Nazi brutality and murder of Jews - "quiet approval".  No less reprehensible!

Perhaps if he would have acted to try and oppose Qtalda... Susprina would have acted to protect him from the spell backlash?
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: Shazam on October 02, 2013, 01:02:56 pm
Personally.. I agree with you 100%!

Halcyon even when Qtalda confessed to her crime and then EVEN told her cronies to search the woods for any witnesses to 'erase'... Halcyon STILL did not speak up or take action to oppose her directly or even condemn her actions! 

Sounds like collusion to me... even if the silent Roman Catholic Church [1940's] assent at Nazi brutality and murder of Jews - "quiet approval".  No less reprehensible!

Perhaps if he would have acted to try and oppose Qtalda... Susprina would have acted to protect him from the spell backlash?

Whoa.

Collusion implies some ongoing turning of a blind eye. This seems to be a momentary shock, 'You did what?' while Qtalda and others have a plan they are executing. He just found out he was a 'figurehead' and there was this whole conspiracy under him, and < a minute passes as his world view is shattered.

Not that I'm invested in him as a char, but just calm down on equating lack of immediately challenging half a dozen of his peers, who now are a threat to him too, when he finds out something terrible... to people turning an ongoing blind eye to WWII atrocities.

Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: SAGG on October 02, 2013, 03:42:45 pm
The more I think about it, the more I see Crest being the key to everything here...
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: Jindra34 on October 03, 2013, 04:15:39 pm
Uh-oh... this isn't looking good for Crest.
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: sunphoenix on October 03, 2013, 07:22:36 pm
Ok.  Granted perhaps collusion is a little too strong of a word... moot at this point cause the only thing he's in collusion with now is dust!~

And no it does not look too good for Crest nor the entire world if this can't be stopped!
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: Shazam on October 03, 2013, 08:51:44 pm
Uh-oh... this isn't looking good for Crest.

True, but again she's a Class 4 sorcerer now and a prodigy. This is what she planned for. She likely had a plan, it may even be why Crest is there.

I'm still wondering what Qtalda is. Just air under those clothes and bandages so far. Does she keep her actual body elsewhere? Is that what she meant by having safeguards against the spell?
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: SAGG on October 04, 2013, 03:17:45 am
Suspira seems to be resigned to killing herself. Crest might be spared the spell because she'll sacrifice herself--?
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: Azure Priest on October 04, 2013, 07:26:44 am
Crest is already infected. His hair is being eaten away, along with his cheek.

Going by the look on her face, Suspira's resigned herself to die too.

It looks like she brought Crest there not only to witness, but so he wouldn't be left behind. She knows how much it hurts to be the one left behind after Kindred's death, and now the murder of her parents.

It wouldn't be surprising if she fully intended to take him with her from the beginning.
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: Stargoat on October 04, 2013, 07:27:59 am
She's crazy pants, but she's not insane.  She has some sort of cunning plan.
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: SAGG on October 04, 2013, 07:43:11 am
Crest is already infected. His hair is being eaten away, along with his cheek.

Going by the look on her face, Suspira's resigned herself to die too.

It looks like she brought Crest there not only to witness, but so he wouldn't be left behind. She knows how much it hurts to be the one left behind after Kindred's death, and now the murder of her parents.

It wouldn't be surprising if she fully intended to take him with her from the beginning.

No. I respectfully disagree. Suspria certainly isn't going to assume Crest would feel the same pain she felt after Kindred's death. I think she'd die, but she wouldn't take Crest with her like this, not without his permission, at least. It wouldn't make any sense in that aspect. Crest still has issues to settle with Maytag...
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: Shazam on October 04, 2013, 09:16:58 am
I don't think so. Remember, she was asking for 'his help'

http://flipside.keenspot.com/comic.php?i=1947 (http://flipside.keenspot.com/comic.php?i=1947)

We haven't yet seen why he's there and what help, but this is so far exactly according to her plan. I think precisely because of Kin, she is going to be more likely to have planned for once rather than just have gone in brash and overconfident in her abilities, and we're seeing that planning so far despite her anger.
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: SparcMan on October 04, 2013, 10:13:28 am
In spite of whatever has happened to her, she still seems to care about Crest and it seems unlikely she would put him in harms way so recklessly. She doesn't look alarmed either. I'm pretty sure she already has a plan to deal with this situation. On a side note, it seems like the flesh-eating bacteria cause no pain to the victim as none of the mages nor even Crest seems to be in any kind of pain. I suppose nerve endings are simply destroyed so quickly, that no pain response is generated.
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: sunphoenix on October 04, 2013, 06:26:10 pm
Ha! Crest has Wound healer! lol!

"You thought I was crazy..."

Don't answer Crest!  Just kiss her then screw her til' she squeals!  All better... lol!

That dress on her looks even better... on the floor around her feet! :)
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: SAGG on October 04, 2013, 07:13:47 pm
Ha! Crest has Wound healer! lol!

"You thought I was crazy..."

Don't answer Crest!  Just kiss her then screw her til' she squeals!  All better... lol!

That dress on her looks even better... on the floor around her feet! :)

Huh. Forgot about that sword. Guess Suspria wins, huh?  ::)
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: Andrea on October 05, 2013, 12:43:58 am
Oh my God, Brion please don't kill Suspiria!

She's still getting her flesh eaten while Crest is immune.
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: sunphoenix on October 06, 2013, 07:48:50 am
Nah I think its obvious...well 'implied obvious' that Crest must have stabbed her with the blade first to cure the infection... and then himself.

'heh'...now to stab her again... only sweet-like, with a different weapon..! {Lascivious Grin :)}
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: Shazam on October 06, 2013, 03:10:31 pm
Nah I think its obvious...well 'implied obvious' that Crest must have stabbed her with the blade first to cure the infection... and then himself.

'heh'...now to stab her again... only sweet-like, with a different weapon..! {Lascivious Grin :)}

I dunno she's that horny, she's only got 20 or so of them. :)
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: Azure Priest on October 07, 2013, 06:30:14 am
The New Suspira totally rocks! NOW she's really living up to the "genius" name.

As Sebastian once sang...

"Don't be shy, come on and Kiss de Girl!"

Speaking of clothes....

I've heard the saying "the clothes make the [man/woman]" before, but Qtalda takes it way too literally.
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: Stargoat on October 07, 2013, 07:17:17 am
Dunno.  She kind of looks like she might be up the creek.
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: SAGG on October 07, 2013, 07:35:42 pm
Okay, NOW I see what's finally culminated here. The new question is this: What's Crest waiting for? Why the (agonizingly long) pause?
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: Stargoat on October 07, 2013, 08:20:41 pm
Sure looks like she's committing suicide.
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: Saratje on October 07, 2013, 09:55:02 pm
I half suspect she'll change back to her usual self if stabbed again. It makes sense she'd drop the powers (but also her 'monster' looks) for Crest out of love.

Alternately, the sword shatters or breaks and Susperia goes far away to keep the disease from spreading. Thinking her dead, we may bump into her again in 5 chapters or so. Only to find out there's now also multiple Susperias without the memories or empathy of the original.
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: sunphoenix on October 08, 2013, 02:02:31 am
...

.. No.  I think this is a test to see if Crest is really faithful to her.

Will he heal her or not  I don't know if I believe Susperia is in any actual danger... she trying to gauge how loyal he is... does he trust her enough even though she may 'seem' monstrous?

Does he love her?
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: Enkida on October 08, 2013, 02:44:25 am
What's Crest waiting for? Why the (agonizingly long) pause?

I'd guess it's because he's not 100% certain stabbing her in the heart won't kill her, and Crest really is friends with Suspira and not batshit like some other characters in this comic. ;-)

I did have a question, though maybe someone mentioned it before.  How is the spell going to stop spreading?  We saw in an earlier panel already that it was taking out the vegetation.  Does it just peter out?  Or is it going to keep going, hit the city, destroy the world as we know it, etc?  (I don't think so, but I'm wondering how it dies out without taking out, well, everything with no counterspell.)
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: sunphoenix on October 08, 2013, 08:13:21 am
@ Enkida - Yes, that was my second thought too.   Crest's expression is one of genuine concern... not quite the same as the expressions I've seen on Crest when he is afraid.
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: Azure Priest on October 09, 2013, 05:27:09 am
What Crest is thinking. "Does it have to be the heart?"
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: Enkida on October 09, 2013, 02:42:48 pm
Ah, we're sorta wrong.

http://flipside.keenspot.com/comic.php?i=1981

Second panel. I missed it because it's so tiny (aside: that scene should've been bigger IMO) - Crest cured himself by stabbing himself in the heart, and even said "I feel weird" while the sword was sticking out of him.

EDIT except technically that's not his heart, he stabbed himself in the sternum (OUCH, he must be pretty strong!)?  So maybe you are right ;)

On the more interesting second question, maybe the flesh eating spell stopped spreading when the caster died?  It'd be nice to have an official clue though.
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: SparcMan on October 10, 2013, 01:10:22 am
Perhaps he's feeling a bit squeamish about stabbing his girlfriend despite her physical appearance.
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: weirdguy on October 10, 2013, 03:11:16 am
eh, kinda like that sword from inuyasha, apparently not capable of causing any harm

wonder who she stole that from hahaha
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: Stargoat on October 10, 2013, 11:22:58 am
Perhaps he's feeling a bit squeamish about stabbing his girlfriend despite her physical appearance.

This.  Well put Sparc.
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: Azure Priest on October 11, 2013, 05:18:28 am
Ah, we're sorta wrong.

http://flipside.keenspot.com/comic.php?i=1981

Second panel. I missed it because it's so tiny (aside: that scene should've been bigger IMO) - Crest cured himself by stabbing himself in the heart, and even said "I feel weird" while the sword was sticking out of him.

EDIT except technically that's not his heart, he stabbed himself in the sternum (OUCH, he must be pretty strong!)?  So maybe you are right ;)

On the more interesting second question, maybe the flesh eating spell stopped spreading when the caster died?  It'd be nice to have an official clue though.

Well, the fact that Crest has not been re-infected implies that the "spell" has stopped spreading.

Even without evidence, Suspira's assertion is correct. Qtalda wouldn't have thought so little of killing Suspira's parents, nor been so good at it if she and her little band hadn't been doing it (and worse) for quite some time. They HAD to be stopped. The fact that they were the instrument of their own destruction was the sweetest part.

Crest, the world would NOT be a better place without Suspira. Save her, please, if you can.
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: SparcMan on October 11, 2013, 07:53:43 am
I was going to feel pretty bad about Crest losing his girlfriend, but I'm not going to feel much pity for him if he lets her die.
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: Stargoat on October 11, 2013, 08:29:49 am
I'm a little concerned that no one is going to be there to fix him if Crest breaks.
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: sunphoenix on October 11, 2013, 09:33:11 am
@ Azure Priest and SparcMan - I agree 100% 

I'm glad Crest chose to trust her... loves kinda like that.  You trust your heart and hope the other is worthy of your faith... the alternative, is very lonely.

She was truthful with him {we hope..}, willing to just die if the one person she trusted felt it was best... and so he chose to trust her.

Sounds like the start of a Very nice relationship...  I hope it works out for them.  Crest may be a little... too cautious and pensive in his actions for all of us red-blooded fire & passion freaks, but I think he's a good guy on the whole.  He deserves a good woman to love.
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: Shazam on October 11, 2013, 10:08:40 am
I think this is pretty much the sensical approach. She really is scary now, and prior examples of Thin Man work center on Mary which doesn't set a great precedent. On the other hand, she was right and never actually 'attacked' the Phalanx members. She just set up a trap if they decided to attack her. If they'd decided to discuss it, they'd all still be alive.

Hopefully for both Suspiria and Crest something positive can be at the end of this rather than sacrifice and one or both of them being the ever melancholy and unlucky in love symbols for the strip. I suspect there is a good bit to come though, and look forward to reading it.
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: bartok on October 11, 2013, 12:29:42 pm
I was getting nervous that maybe Suspiria really would get the ax. After all, it can be tricky to keep a story interesting when you have upset the power balance with an unreasonably strong character. As usual Brian, you've got me on pins and needles. Can't wait to see what happens next.

It appeared to me that Suspirira voluntarily infected herself the moment she touched ground. Regardless, it's interesting that she chose to give Crest the power to decide life and death for her.
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: Stargoat on October 11, 2013, 03:23:41 pm
I think this is pretty much the sensical approach. She really is scary now, and prior examples of Thin Man work center on Mary which doesn't set a great precedent. On the other hand, she was right and never actually 'attacked' the Phalanx members. She just set up a trap if they decided to attack her. If they'd decided to discuss it, they'd all still be alive.

Hopefully for both Suspiria and Crest something positive can be at the end of this rather than sacrifice and one or both of them being the ever melancholy and unlucky in love symbols for the strip. I suspect there is a good bit to come though, and look forward to reading it.

If it was Something Positive, I'm pretty sure that the Redneck Tree (http://www.somethingpositive.net/sp05042002.shtml) would have gotten Crest by now.
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: Shazam on October 14, 2013, 10:08:13 am
Aww. Now some fun stuff is coming. I forget, does May know about Suspiria?

As a side note, while I assume she'll heal as Crest did, I sort of like flesh eating cancer survivor Suspiria look. And Bryon! You almost had boobage! What's the world coming to when Flipside gives up that opportunity?
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: Ardanis on October 14, 2013, 04:53:05 pm
Spikes and hair - not restored.
Eyelashes and brow - restored.
Eye (p.27) - back to the monster black.
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: sunphoenix on October 15, 2013, 05:35:45 am
There is such a rarity of perfect breasts in the world it would have been a shame to ruin such a lovely pair as hers! :)

I wonder if her lovely horns will grow back?  Gonna need a new headress too... maybe a dress...

...On second thought she could go back to the two piece bikini look and I'd be just fine with that! :)
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: Stargoat on October 16, 2013, 08:09:55 am
Is Shepard there?

Well, that answers that question.
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: Gillsing on October 16, 2013, 04:04:34 pm
So that wasn't an invisible Suspiria who just wasn't going to take any chances when she checked how loyal Crest would be? Because that's what I thought. Makes perfect sense that it'd be that invisible watcher though.
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: Shazam on October 16, 2013, 11:08:57 pm
Remind me who the invisible watcher/shepherd is? I'm forgetting.
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: sunphoenix on October 17, 2013, 08:08:21 am
WHAT?!?!? no kiss goodbye?!?!? We've been cheated!!! :)

LOL. Could be Qtalda .. Unrobed!
Porky Pig {Space Cadet} - "I kept cutting a cutting and their was nothing but hair and sneakers!?!?"
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: SAGG on October 17, 2013, 01:06:36 pm
Qtalda, I think, probably was the invisible person. You just can't keep a potential great villain down!  ;D Speaking of which, is the Thin Man a (true) villain?  ??? We've seen his side when he spoke to Maytag. What's the verdict?
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: Shazam on October 17, 2013, 08:23:56 pm
That had been my assumption before this shepherd was mentioned. Qtilda had already made clear he/she had arranged protections against that spell and wasn't vulnerable to it.
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: Azure Priest on October 18, 2013, 07:56:20 pm
Qtalda, I think, probably was the invisible person. You just can't keep a potential great villain down!  ;D Speaking of which, is the Thin Man a (true) villain?  ??? We've seen his side when he spoke to Maytag. What's the verdict?

Considering he kidnaps his test subjects, has a rather dubious definition of the word "consent" and, while willing to admit his legal responsibility for the actions of his "experiments" cares not one whit about the actions of his own underlings, "villain" would be getting off lightly.
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: SparcMan on October 18, 2013, 09:19:19 pm
I don't think there is any proof that Thin Man did this to Suspera. In fact, it seems like he needs some time with his subjects to "modify" them. At least that was the case with Bloody Mary. What happened to Suspera may have nothing to do with him.  I suspect that when she confronts him, he will offer her a "cure" for her condition.
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: sunphoenix on October 19, 2013, 08:45:50 am
Hey Perhaps its 'Melter' who is secretly making some if not all of the Thin-Man's experiments go wrong?  Perhaps Suspera, was something Melter did totally on his own?
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: Azure Priest on October 21, 2013, 06:45:34 am
Hey Perhaps its 'Melter' who is secretly making some if not all of the Thin-Man's experiments go wrong?  Perhaps Suspera, was something Melter did totally on his own?

Even so, Melter takes orders directly from Thin Man (or at least the organization that Thin Man founded) and the leader of any organization is directly responsible for the conduct of his people. The fact that Thin Man, by his own admission, does not care is no excuse or legal pardon.

Some folks were trying to defend Halcyon, saying he didn't "deserve to die" for his complicity, by neglect, in Suspira's case. Unfortunately, when you agree to become a rubber stamp, whatever the reason, it no longer matters if you "deserve" death or not because that's the price you ultimately pay once you make that decision. (If those who are abusing your "figurehead" status don't kill you themselves, they merely use you as the scapegoat and let the authorities/victims do the killing because it's YOUR signature on the orders after all.)

The Thin Man is ultimately in a far worse position. He is fully complicit in their activities, not only by hiding their involvement with memory manipulation, but also by knowing about their behavior yet taking no corrective action simply because he does not care.

He finally convinced Maytag to eat that sandwich by saying "we could have easily done something in your sleep." Frankly, we can't be certain that he HASN'T. I mean there are two-part chemicals in this world. Heck, we can't even be sure Maytag was actually asleep for three days.

Frankly, in Maytag's place, I would have demanded that I be released IMMEDIATELY, and that my possession, ALL of them (including the ones stolen by Danzig's team) be returned to me with the promise that if I had to force my own way out, the result would be very unpleasant for Thin Man and his little sycophant.
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: Flipthecannon on October 23, 2013, 04:23:54 am
Qtalda, I think, probably was the invisible person. You just can't keep a potential great villain down!  ;D Speaking of which, is the Thin Man a (true) villain?  ??? We've seen his side when he spoke to Maytag. What's the verdict?

I have to think it was Qtalda. Otherwise...that whole scene with the Conclave went down way too easily and anti-climatically.

The Thin Man's a villain.  I am pretty sure his motives are more ambiguous than what he makes them out to be and he's done some horrible wrongs.
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: Shazam on October 23, 2013, 09:15:56 pm
It is curious that Qtalda didn't do anything when the spell was turned on her given this page's final panels:

http://flipside.keenspot.com/comic.php?i=1969
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: Azure Priest on October 28, 2013, 07:10:51 am
It is curious that Qtalda didn't do anything when the spell was turned on her given this page's final panels:

http://flipside.keenspot.com/comic.php?i=1969

Presuming the invisible person who walked away was Shepherd and not Qtalda, we can only speculate that she did nothing because it was "Retribution Doll" that "cast" the spell, not Qtalda herself.

Then again, she may have simply let her subordinates die so she could fake her death and fight another day.
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: Brion Foulke on October 28, 2013, 07:34:56 am
The idea was that since she wasn't the one who cast the spell, she couldn't stop it.
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: Enkida on October 31, 2013, 06:45:04 am
Remind me who the invisible watcher/shepherd is? I'm forgetting.

He's the guy who rescued May and Bern from crazy collar knight on chapter 2 or 3 or something.  You know, the pudgy, round glasses, "Don't cut your tits off Maytag!" sorcerer guy.  I forgot if he was a part of the Conclave or not, though.

I will admit having a Mass Effect moment when i first saw his name again because it's been so long ;)
Title: Re: Chapter 38: Discussion
Post by: Azure Priest on November 01, 2013, 09:10:35 pm
Remind me who the invisible watcher/shepherd is? I'm forgetting.

He's the guy who rescued May and Bern from crazy collar knight on chapter 2 or 3 or something.  You know, the pudgy, round glasses, "Don't cut your tits off Maytag!" sorcerer guy.  I forgot if he was a part of the Conclave or not, though.

I will admit having a Mass Effect moment when i first saw his name again because it's been so long ;)

He is (or at least was) an active member of the Phalanx, acting undercover. At least, that's what he said. It's not like he displayed some kind of official phalanx badge. He just happened to know about the "pactio" collar and the correct spell to destroy it. He also used a bit of memory magic (that presumably went astray because gynophobic rape knight went crazy) to hide his presence from the rest of the Knights. He is presumed to be in Iscarot because Melter mentioned some other "invisible guy" watching over Maytag before killing Mr. Saboteur.