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Title: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Brion Foulke on April 22, 2010, 04:36:13 pm
Please use this thread for discussing chapter 25.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: CrystalDragonSpaceMarine on April 22, 2010, 08:32:12 pm
So, Glyph went off to get his scouter?

Will he find out that Danzig's power level is...

No, never mind.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: RoninAngel on April 23, 2010, 09:52:54 am
The anti-magic sword doesn't work.  >:( Boo! Crest says the exact thing I've been saying for a month and a half now. :D Yay! Predictably, Moss adds nothing constructive.  >:( Boo! Maytag is smart enough to realize a good idea when she sees it.  :D Yay!
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: akashayi on April 23, 2010, 02:04:59 pm
So, Glyph went off to get his scouter?

Will he find out that Danzig's power level is...

No, never mind.

Too late, already stuck in my head. It's funny how Moss calls crest stupid but respects May. Telling.

I really like the first panel and how Bern looks in the third, btw!
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Kanazaka on April 23, 2010, 08:37:12 pm
I hope that Maytag knows what she is talking about.  Regardless, the execution of her plan will likely be fun to watch  ;D.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Oddball on April 24, 2010, 03:14:30 am
Its easy to figure out what May is thinking.  She will do a faint to the North then do a quick flank march and attack from the south while getting the rest to build a wooden badger.  8)
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Emp_Dragon on April 24, 2010, 04:27:34 am
I'm betting on a combined dreadclaw drop pod and terminator assault with preliminary orbital bombardment.   :-X
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Kiran on April 24, 2010, 09:52:38 am
Don't tell me the sword won't work cause it needs to be used with it's double(...)

I guessed right, but it's a bit anticlimatic, so her father too couldn't use his sword at all as anti-magical weapon since the time he gave his 2nd sword to Bern?
Or it's just May guessing and sword abilities are sealed by other mean or stick is not magical.
I like the cover for this chapter where Bern shows big X (no) sign with her swords to Glyph and Danzig :D

I really like the first panel and how Bern looks in the third, btw!
I can't remember a panel where Bern would not look good...
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Azure Priest on April 26, 2010, 06:05:35 am
So, Glyph went off to get his scouter?

Will he find out that Danzig's power level is...

No, never mind.

Too late, already stuck in my head. It's funny how Moss calls crest stupid but respects May. Telling.

I really like the first panel and how Bern looks in the third, btw!

He has experience with Maytag, and KNOWS she can out think him. Crest is a "newbie" and by default has to be insulted (for the stupid idiot he is) until he proves otherwise, or Maytag tells Moss off.

I also think the "rush him" idea is just PART of the strategy.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: parameciumkid on April 26, 2010, 01:53:39 pm
What they should do is make Fata Morgana clone herself six or seven times. Then nobody gets killed and they get loads of free people-pillars.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Brion Foulke on April 26, 2010, 02:01:47 pm
What they should do is make Fata Morgana clone herself six or seven times. Then nobody gets killed and they get loads of free people-pillars.

http://www.flipsidecomics.com/comic.php?i=965

Creating new illusions counts as using sorcery.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Oddball on April 26, 2010, 02:06:33 pm
its easy to work out. while whats his name with the big stick thingy is looking at the other's wizizname the "coward" has gone round to take them from behind..................so to speak.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: RoninAngel on April 26, 2010, 03:58:06 pm
Fuck you, Moss!  >:(
That is all.  :(
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Shay on April 26, 2010, 07:22:10 pm
Well... I'm siding with Moss and Fata. Their group isn't really built for Maytag's strategy. I don't think they can take the abuse needed to be 'shields' of any sort. And even so, couldn't Danzig just send them flying straight into Bern? They're not real pillars.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Smiles on April 27, 2010, 01:18:11 am
yeah I don't really see moss ever agreeing to be beaten by a stick willingly. ::) it's a nice idea though. Go May! ^_^ i don't think Bern would agree to it even if they all agreed to it though. looking forward to see what happens next as always ^_^

hey Brion I found you in my car today and put you someplace safe and sis said hello. but i looked out the window like "where?" untill I turned and saw she meant you. :D :-*
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: 9_6 on April 27, 2010, 01:53:10 am
"Wow what a great strategy"?
Well gee, so much for mr emo-boy being super genius strategist.
I wonder when they'll think of, well, letting more than 1 person actually attack.
You know, more targets are harder to focus on, men being bad at multitasking and stuff.
Why does emo-boy have no sword anyway?

But yeah, the plot clearly centers around scouter power levels though so strategizing won't go too far before the plot-convenient solution comes walking right through the door I guess.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: tbeean on April 27, 2010, 12:20:02 pm
Despite all the Moss hating atm, I still like him  (:
I can't hate anyone who looked this innocent as a kid (http://www.flipsidecomics.com/comic/book0/fs23pg04.html) or smiles so beautifully :3 (http://www.flipsidecomics.com/comic/book0/fs23pg15.html)
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Azure Priest on April 28, 2010, 04:51:07 am
Despite all the Moss hating atm, I still like him  (:
I can't hate anyone who looked this innocent as a kid (http://www.flipsidecomics.com/comic/book0/fs23pg04.html) or smiles so beautifully :3 (http://www.flipsidecomics.com/comic/book0/fs23pg15.html)

I think Moss may have killed that guy. We didn't exactly see what his LVL 2 Sorcery test was. Maytag's strategy IS a good one though. Bern needs "blockers" so she can get close enough to Danzig to use her swords.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Kiran on April 28, 2010, 12:32:56 pm
Bern is too noble for such plan to use others...

So either she will think about something which will work or Glyph will come to the rescue.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: RoninAngel on April 28, 2010, 01:57:32 pm
Let me reiterate: Fuck you, Moss!  >:(
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Oddball on April 28, 2010, 02:42:04 pm
Ronin just a few deep breaths and calm down.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: charles on April 28, 2010, 05:04:56 pm
Despite all the Moss hating atm, I still like him  (:
I can't hate anyone who looked this innocent as a kid (http://www.flipsidecomics.com/comic/book0/fs23pg04.html) or smiles so beautifully :3 (http://www.flipsidecomics.com/comic/book0/fs23pg15.html)

Don't forget to check out his smile in the fourth panel here: http://www.flipsidecomics.com/comic/book0/fs20pg09.html

*lol* Ahh, I know what you mean though.  But in almost every manga you rarely hear of someone who isn't bad for a reason. Hitler was beaten by his father and Moss was beaten by others yet I still wish I could throw them both in a mental hospital with forced counciling.

Doesn't make a lot of sense that Grant would take one magick sword and leave the other behind considering it renders both of them as little more than light swords.  But maybe he had some further reason or motives that we're yet to be aware of.

I'm not sure what to make of the plan.  I guess they could enact it with just Maytag on one side and Crest on the other side of Bern, if she was willing.  Crest actually appears to have some kind of very light armor or padding, but Maytag looks very vulnerable so I'm actually quite worried about them possibly getting killed by a blow.  Still... Maytag could use the magick sword since it's still lighter than a normal sword (so she should be fine, even one handed) and Crest could used Bern's bag as a shield.

The other problem I see with the plan is that Danzig doesn't need to simply swing his stick back and forth. He can come in from the top and pin Bern then retract and extend the stick rapidly like he did the last time before either pulling the same on the others or simply batting them away with side blows.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Kanazaka on April 28, 2010, 06:29:01 pm
Well, that's kind of a moot point now, anyway, since Danzig has overheard the plan.  Too bad  :(.  I vote for a surprise uppercut to the jaw while he's mouthing off  ;D.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: charles on April 28, 2010, 08:25:45 pm
I don't think it would matter that much if he did overhear the plan, he'd just have a little more time to think through what he might do but I can only imagine that he'd simply try his best to blow back the main competent melee fighters and then face the weaklings in close range and knock them down quickly.  Bern was injured badly by those blows and she's trained to take a hit and roll with it so there's minimal damage.  The others could easily be killed by such a blow.

*meh* I still think we're going to find that Glyph has been preparing himself or something and he'll simply come in to save the day.

...Beyond that I still hope to see Crest with a shield sometime in the future.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: BeethroBudkin on April 28, 2010, 09:37:25 pm
I'm pretty sure Grant said that they never used the sword, and thus he would probably be unaware that it is useless without its partner. On the other hand, there is no concrete evidence presented that the sword only works with its partner. We are all assuming that the staff/stick is magical, which may not be the case.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Kiran on April 28, 2010, 11:48:12 pm
I wonder about Glyph's visor (we know he can see with it through people clothes which may be just a pervert option) if it has more advanced purpose, maybe he would notice with it that the stick is mechanical and will see it's weak points and with proper instructions Bern could make it useless when hit in some joint spots...
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Azure Priest on April 30, 2010, 05:41:46 am
When the manipulative, deranged psycho who is your enemy tells you it's a good plan, scrapping it seems like a good idea to me.

Besides, the stick can come from above and the front as well as attack from the sides, it would have taken many "pillars" to be effective. Even Crest, Maytag, and Suspira would not have been enough.

Question though, we've seen Suspira's dress move on its own. (It takes some of her essence to do this) Does that count as sorcery? If not, Suspira CAN use it to disable the "power staff" if at least temporarily, which MIGHT just give Bern the ability to close in and take that smug smirk of Danzig's face. I can't blame her for being unable to be a "pillar." Her endurance and stamina is very low. She just never could take a hit. In addition, we STILL don't know what Melter did to her.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: CrystalDragonSpaceMarine on April 30, 2010, 07:45:32 pm
So did we already make "Glyph, what does the scouter say about his power level" jokes, or...?
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Abstract Vagabond on April 30, 2010, 10:37:03 pm
So, how is being able to see Danzig naked supposed to help him win the fight?
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: RoninAngel on May 01, 2010, 02:13:32 pm
That's for Glyph to know and you to find out!  ;)

It's good that Glyph came back. Methinks this turn will cement him as an actual member of the party rather then just dead-weight-butler-pervert-guy. I thought maybe that would happen but I wasn't sure.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Emp_Dragon on May 01, 2010, 02:29:51 pm
That spy chit must show more than just naked women, I'm betting it shows the user whatever he/she is looking for, to some extent.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: charles on May 02, 2010, 05:39:31 am
So, how is being able to see Danzig naked supposed to help him win the fight?
Feed the image directly to Escher and he'll get too horny to keep up the anti-spell thing up *lol*

Beyond that, I can only imagine that it might hint at future events and allow Glyph to see the attacks coming, but then Bern is usually very good at seeing attacks coming and it didn't help her against some of those moves.

Maybe he can see through some illusion Danzig's creating or even something to do with Escher's anti-magick.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: tbeean on May 02, 2010, 02:37:45 pm
So, how is being able to see Danzig naked supposed to help him win the fight?
i actually lol'd at that.  :P
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: akashayi on May 02, 2010, 05:56:07 pm
So, how is being able to see Danzig naked supposed to help him win the fight?
i actually lol'd at that.  :P

Maybe while Danzig was possessing Glyph, they really got to know each other better. ;P
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Yeti on May 02, 2010, 06:10:54 pm
I got the strong impression that the glass allows him to see through illusions as well as clothes. Fata Morgan casts something up so that Danzig can't see them anymore; Glyph essentially becoming invisible. Heck they could make an illusion of about 200 Glyphs and Danzig won't know which to target. This allows Glyph to get close, and give Danzig/Escher a good stabbing.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Churba on May 02, 2010, 07:25:36 pm
So, how is being able to see Danzig naked supposed to help him win the fight?
Well, they do say you put up a better performance if you imagine your audience naked, and so it logically follows, if you can ACTUALLY see them naked....
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Kiran on May 03, 2010, 12:55:13 am
So, how is being able to see Danzig naked supposed to help him win the fight?
Well, they do say you put up a better performance if you imagine your audience naked, and so it logically follows, if you can ACTUALLY see them naked....
But since Bern is the fighter here, such thing would make her more uncomfortable and embarassed, than she would put better performence knowing Glyph watching May, Suspiria and her nude ;)
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: dory on May 03, 2010, 01:29:39 am
glyph is totally hot =3
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: dory on May 03, 2010, 01:32:36 am
I got the strong impression that the glass allows him to see through illusions as well as clothes. Fata Morgan casts something up so that Danzig can't see them anymore; Glyph essentially becoming invisible. Heck they could make an illusion of about 200 Glyphs and Danzig won't know which to target. This allows Glyph to get close, and give Danzig/Escher a good stabbing.

i like it!!
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: charles on May 03, 2010, 02:50:51 am
Next page, Suspira smacking his arse down *lol*

Maybe we are reading this wrong.  Maybe Glyph's just resigned to his fate and decided to check out what the 4 (5?) girls have on offer. :P

Or he can fire lazer beams now  ;D
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Azure Priest on May 03, 2010, 05:13:08 am
Maybe Glyph's "scouter" allows him to see the inner workings of the "staff"?
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Foof on May 03, 2010, 11:25:26 am
Noo, naked Danzig!  But maybe he fights better if his target is nude.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Artistics on May 03, 2010, 11:26:20 am
Maybe Glyph's "scouter" allows him to see the inner workings of the "staff"?

I agree. When Danzig pressed the button on his staff, the scouter/Glyph seemed to react. (http://"http://www.flipsidecomics.com/comic.php?i=980") And that awesome fighting pose he made is a sign for good things to come. Anyway, the scouter seems a tad too powerful too just see people naked.

In my opinion though, the real problem is Esche. When you take him out, Danzig is done. So suppose that Glyph, with his new found saiyan powers scouter, is able to dodge Danzig...
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: RoninAngel on May 03, 2010, 12:22:57 pm
I am really starting to get tired of Danzig's smug smugness. I really hope he dies soon. The faster and more horrible the better.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: tbeean on May 03, 2010, 01:23:31 pm
I am really starting to get tired of Danzig's smug smugness. I really hope he dies soon. The faster and more horrible the better.
make love, not war ronin  :P
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: charles on May 03, 2010, 04:53:24 pm
Hmmm, interesting.  That would mean he should have known about the anti-magick sword.  I guess he must have already looked into it and discovered that it was either useless or ineffective without some further knowledge.

If Danzig's confident then the only way I see a win here is if either Glyph has come up with some new application of the scouter's abilities, or a different strategy.  Danzig might know everything they knew at the time he scanned their memories, but he doesn't know what they may have since learned or what strategies they could come up with from what they know.

Beyond that, I think if he has some special ability to dodge or catch the stick then maybe he simply needs to team up with Bern instead of trying to go it alone and they'll be able to break through.  Give Crest Bern's anti-magick sword and tell him to charge for an extra meat-shield and you've got yourself a pretty good chance of overcoming him.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Kiran on May 03, 2010, 11:56:17 pm
But what new strategy Glyph could learn in these few hours from time his memory was scanned and after being possesed he was out for almost whole time?
If indeed this visor sharpens senses so whoever wears it could try to dodge attacks easier or something, then the obvious choice would be to give Bern such a thing to wear.
I wonder since the title of this chapter is path of magic with Bern as main protagonist or at least it looks like that, her using magical visor for sure would be something unexpected and unique to boost her in combat, which Danzig would not be able to predict could happen after reading Bern memory and her hate for magic and especially dislike for Glyph and his visor.

Edit:
Also I saw the colored cover page for this chapter, looks great.
Also Bern looks great too, but that's not a surprise :P
Also Glyph looking kind of pissed and sharp and since he is looking at Danzig... badassery :D
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: charles on May 04, 2010, 12:52:27 am
Yeah, Also wanted to shout out to Savage Sparrow that the work on the chapter title is great stuff.

Who knows what strategy or new application for the scouter Glyph could have come up with. Danzig will have access to his memories but he can only guess at how glyph will use what he knows.  Danzig knows what Glyph's scouter normally does and how he's used it in the past.  He has no idea how he might use it in this situation although he might be able to guess relatively well.

When you're stuck up against a wall you come up with some crazy ideas.  Glyph may have even thought two steps ahead and know that Danzig's well aware of the scouter's function from his memories and simply used it as a ploy.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Azure Priest on May 05, 2010, 06:24:11 am
Or what spell(s) Glyph has added to the eyepiece. Glyph may even have done something to reverse its intended use! We'll just have to wait and see.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: SparcMan on May 05, 2010, 09:15:02 am
And so... Danzig knows what he is doing.

Next strategy anyone?
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: charles on May 05, 2010, 09:17:56 am
BUGGER!

I kept wondering what that second button did.

If Moss knew it could do that and said nothing, someone seriously needs to kick his arse.

Not sure what the hell they could do now.  He's truly been playing with them this entire time.  Even if Bern had proven more of a challenge for him, he could have forced her to block a hit then send electricity that would pass down the metal swords to shock her... Maybe we'll see something heroic with him holding onto the electrifying stick while Bern closes the gap.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: dg86 on May 05, 2010, 09:20:29 am
It seems we have quite a shocking development on our hands.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Kiran on May 05, 2010, 09:41:11 am
Agreed.
I can see now Bern taking a chance to try to hit Danzig while Glyph would hold that stick, but I can't see them winning, since I'm also thinking that Esher can make some attacking move with that rose and all energy he collected.
Or Glyph predicted Danzig move and he put earlier some spell on self while he was away and result we will see in next page.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: CrystalDragonSpaceMarine on May 05, 2010, 11:25:37 am
Shoulda seen that one coming, Glyph.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Foof on May 05, 2010, 02:18:59 pm
Ack!  There goes that.  Wow, poor Glyph.  Though, maybe his actions could earn him some respect.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: RoninAngel on May 05, 2010, 03:53:09 pm
Bern can use Glyph's glasses maybe. Then she could fight Danzig better. But it's funny, CDSM, you said that Glyph should have seen that coming, and he's wearing a divination device! HA!  :P
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: charles on May 05, 2010, 05:34:09 pm
Bern can use Glyph's glasses maybe. Then she could fight Danzig better. But it's funny, CDSM, you said that Glyph should have seen that coming, and he's wearing a divination device! HA!  :P

But what if Bern does wear the device?  Danzig makes a swing for her, she blocks with her metal sword and he sends 40,000 volts through the blade and her... unless... she sheath's the sword.

I don't see much improvement here for Bern.  She's already considerably talented at predicting moves in advance.  She's now aware of all the stick's capabilities and knows that he can easily put her in a position where she can't dodge or parry a strike despire any perception of the move.  Even Glyph wasn't hoping to out maneuver him but simply grab his staff and relieve him of it.

Best chance I can see for them is either 1. Glyph takes the magick sword in it's sheath and both he and Bern attack using the sheaths to block his weapon and electricity attacks.  2. Glyph makes a sacrifice and holds the stick despite any electricity while Bern charges forward.  3. Maytag finds something (anything) she can throw with accuracy and disrupts Escher's anti-magick.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Emp_Dragon on May 06, 2010, 11:07:11 am
Well, sure, magic is fancy and all, but it can be countered just as easily by the kind of people you'd be likely to use magick against in a self-defence situation.

Sollution: ALWAYS bring a repeating crossbow.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Churba on May 06, 2010, 11:36:26 am
Well, sure, magic is fancy and all, but it can be countered just as easily by the kind of people you'd be likely to use magick against in a self-defence situation.

Sollution: ALWAYS bring a repeating crossbow.
And some insulated gloves.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Emp_Dragon on May 06, 2010, 12:24:58 pm
Or a bolt action rifle if availiable
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: charles on May 06, 2010, 01:40:26 pm
Or a Metal Storm grenade launcher.

The thing is that Maytag is usually the ranged attacker in the party when magick fails and she's been disabled without her d-bag of items.

What they really need to do is all go back upstairs and bring down a tsunami of rubber balls to take out Danzig.  The magick users could fetch them, using magick to get them as far as the bottom of the stairs and then WOOSH!  The lot of them push forward the entire pile and Danzig's swinging his lightning rod through rubber hell  ;D... Not likely to happen  :(
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Churba on May 06, 2010, 07:15:58 pm
Or a Metal Storm grenade launcher.

The thing is that Maytag is usually the ranged attacker in the party when magick fails and she's been disabled without her d-bag of items.

What they really need to do is all go back upstairs and bring down a tsunami of rubber balls to take out Danzig.  The magick users could fetch them, using magick to get them as far as the bottom of the stairs and then WOOSH!  The lot of them push forward the entire pile and Danzig's swinging his lightning rod through rubber hell  ;D... Not likely to happen  :(
Dunno about that, the prototype weapon put forward as an austyer replacement that included their grenade launcher tech was ugly as sin.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: charles on May 06, 2010, 07:52:09 pm
I didn't know they were still working on guns.  I thought they were only working on grenade launcher attachments.  So in the case of the austeyr, or any country's primary arms, they'd custom build a launcher to suit it.

I think the main advantage Metal Storm has always had is its patents for technology around firing caseless bullets and grenades electronically rather than with some mechanical impact.

The shares are down to about 1.2 cents.  I've actually been thinking of buying $500 worth just to see if they go anywhere.

...But back on topic.  Yeah, I think a good grenade launcher would solve their little problem with Danzig quite nicely.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Azure Priest on May 07, 2010, 06:48:18 am
Guess that settles it, the staff IS enchanted. I have yet to see anywhere in Flipside cannon where the characters use a tazer effect without sorcery. Then again, this is THIN MAN research we're talking about, although an expanding staff capable of carrying a current at distance like this would be a highly complex, fragile instrument without sorcery enhancements.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Kiran on May 07, 2010, 01:32:48 pm
Totally unexpected :o
I didn't like Glyph but to end as some crisp frite, that's a sad fate.
Of course if he's dead for real...
Damn that will haunt Bern, and Danzig stopped playing, at least it's better that Glyph was made an example than Bern.
I really can't see an exit from this situation for our pack...
Well maybe Glyph when he was outside of that flower range send an SOS signal to his magical buddies, if of course warp box not cuts magical communication from outside world by default.
I'm waiting now patiently how this story will unfold.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: charles on May 07, 2010, 02:37:18 pm
Was that original recipe, or extra crispy?

Damn!  I was half wondering if the comic would go as far as killing Glyph, but discounted it.  Only two saves I see for him now are that either he thought two steps ahead and has some further magick going on here, or he'll get resurrected.  But I'd say his brain is fried crispy so resurrection is probably out of the question.

If Moss really knew about the "stick's" abilities and failed to inform everyone, they really need to slap him silly.

I'm stuck for trying to see a way past Danzig.  Everything tells me that he can pick them off one by one with ease from where he's standing.  Unless they exit the room and cast some spells to ward electricity and give other enhancements, they're doomed.  Another one might be that Suspira goes into a rage and attacks but Danzig holds from killing her, showing the others that they can use her as a shield, knowing he won't kill her because of melter/thin man's interests.  Even Maytag might have a free ride there but I'm kind of doubtful he feels any affection for his nephew.

Beyond all this, I can only imagine them running for one of the doors in the warp box, taking out Escher somehow, or someone coming up with a deus ex machina.

Attack from Maximillian?
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: BeethroBudkin on May 07, 2010, 04:55:20 pm
I don't think that Glyph is dead. Does the scouter need a spell to activate? If not, what spell was Glyph refering to in (http://www.flipsidecomics.com/comic.php?i=978)?
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Foof on May 07, 2010, 06:50:30 pm
I...did not see that coming.  Wow.  I kinda liked Glyph, too.  But, I wouldn't expect him to live through that.  I doubt Danzig is the kind to let someone who opposed him live.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: RoninAngel on May 07, 2010, 07:37:47 pm
Well.

 :(


That's that, I guess. He might have lived through that, from a perspective of narrative, but seeing as Brion likes to kill off male characters, (seriously, other then extras, only male characters have ever been killed to my knowledge) it looks pretty grim for the ol' Glyphster.  :-\ Unlike Suspira's boyfriend, I don't think many are going to miss him too much though.

The only good thing that I can think of happening from this is that now that Danzig has harmed one of the main cast, he may not be long for the world. Well, then he might become a recurring villain too, because now his "threat" is increased, from a narrative perspective (, although it's not as if Glyph was established as a combat powerhouse.) Funny thing is this is the only evil thing that Danzig has done that hasn't really bothered me. Perhaps because it didn't really seem like it was anything other then business as usual. Like, "Yeah, I fried your buddy, but it was nothing personal." He was less rude about it, he gloated less about it then he did the mind-control, the attempted rape or the kidnapping. No mean quips, just zap, flop, done. The main thing is, he's right. He wasted the most expendable character in the party. Nothing to get bent out of shape over, that's kind of his job as the antagonist. It's not like Glyph was particularly charming or sympathetic or had a developed back-story or anything.  :-\
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Pozf on May 07, 2010, 07:42:37 pm
I don't think that Glyph is dead. Does the scouter need a spell to activate? If not, what spell was Glyph refering to in (http://www.flipsidecomics.com/comic.php?i=978)?

I'm pretty sure the scouter Was the spell, if you look  Here (http://www.flipsidecomics.com/comic.php?i=981) you'll notice it wasn't attached to anything, just coming out of his head.


(seriously, other then extras, only male characters have ever been killed to my knowledge)

The sorceress  antagonist in book zero, whose name escapes me at the moment, was killed, and so was Clarien.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: RoninAngel on May 07, 2010, 08:10:40 pm
never finished book zero. I just didn't enjoy it as much as the current comic.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: charles on May 07, 2010, 09:57:56 pm
Well, there were some girls here:
http://www.flipsidecomics.com/comic.php?i=94
http://www.flipsidecomics.com/comic.php?i=308

But outside of book1 we've only really had three major characters die and they've all been male... Unless you count the Bloody Mary side story where she killed her own mother.

EDIT: Sorry, just noticed you said "outside extras" so yeah, just three major characters who have died during the main books.

I recommend finishing Book 0.  It picked up pace and got better towards the end.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: CrystalDragonSpaceMarine on May 07, 2010, 11:32:51 pm
We barely knew ye.

Have fun eating bagels in heaven.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: tbeean on May 08, 2010, 12:52:53 am
What's surprised me most though, is Fata's reaction. Even she looks shocked at Danzig actually killing someone.

Also, what Danzig says about the 'stun setting' strikes me as strange too.  ???
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: RoninAngel on May 08, 2010, 02:18:19 am
He's a sociopath. He realizes the use of having a stun setting, in case he wanted to take prisoners, (which is the case here, he wants to convert the party to slaves and dead slaves aren't worth any money), but he has no problem using the zap function on his staff knowing full well it's lethality. Not that anyone in a sword and sorcery fantasy world is really expected to bring to bear non-lethal weapons in combat, but the casual way he shrugs off Glyphs murder is still chilling.  :-\
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Artistics on May 08, 2010, 02:52:01 am
Why Brion? Does your thirst of cool male character's souls never end?

If Glyph gets up after that, he'll jump to #1 in my personal Awesome Flipside Character Ranking.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Azure Priest on May 08, 2010, 05:51:39 am
 :o. Now would be a good time to RUN! Surrendering to these clowns is NOT an option. We all know how he'd like to "play" with them, and then when he's done, it's off to the THIN MAN's labs. Clearly not a pleasant or long- term career gig.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: charles on May 08, 2010, 05:19:19 pm
If Glyph gets up after that, he'll jump to #1 in my personal Awesome Flipside Character Ranking.

Don't know if he'll get up on his own, but depending on how magick lightning works in Flipside, I know that people who are struck by lightning have a good chance of surviving if someone is available to administer CPR.  If someone can start his heart he may get away with just some burns to his hand.

Of course if it was a lightning level current that Danzig held on him for more than 5 seconds, the majority of his internal organs, including his brain, have probably been cooked... No resurrection or resuscitation possible from that (quickly applied healing potions?).

See, the only significant female characters who have been available for killing have been Dice and Bloody Mary.  The rest are either too significant or just not the kind you'd expect to meet a battle (Crest's Mum and Vajra).

Our next candidate/s for female victims are probably Morgana (after we've learned enough about her), the steel vipers, Lana and Dice (who I'm predicting will make a return in Eschelon due to some hints written in Book 4).

EDIT: I just figured out one more way they could get past Danzig.  Use those statues in the back corners.  If they're not too heavy, they should be able to push them steadily towards him and hide behind for shelter.  He can batter the sides and front or electrocute the statues all he likes but they'd keep pushing them closer and closer until they're on top of him.  The magick users hang back and when the group is close enough they throw something (brick? anything) at Escher to disrupt his spell and the conjurers unleash hell.

EDIT2: if Moss had been smarter about this, he'd have prepared or swiped a portal to the outside.  They used one to catch Bern and Maytag (not to mention the one in the stairwell) so why could there not be more?
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Churba on May 08, 2010, 05:31:18 pm
EDIT: I just figured out one more way they could get past Danzig.  Use those statues in the back corners.  If they're not too heavy, they should be able to push them steadily towards him and hide behind for shelter.  He can batter the sides and front or electrocute the statues all he likes but they'd keep pushing them closer and closer until they're on top of him.  The magick users hang back and when the group is close enough they throw something (brick? anything) at Escher to disrupt his spell and the conjurers unleash hell.
True, but old ziggy stardust over there is probably smart enough and strong enough to hit the statues hard enough above their centre of gravity to topple them back onto whoever is hiding behind them or trying to push them.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: charles on May 08, 2010, 08:57:53 pm
True.  Even if he wasn't strong enough to overpower them, he's simply put the butt of the "stick" against the wall behind him and then point and set it off... Although that would then depend on the strength of the "stick's" thrust.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Azure Priest on May 09, 2010, 09:36:53 am
True.  Even if he wasn't strong enough to overpower them, he's simply put the butt of the "stick" against the wall behind him and then point and set it off... Although that would then depend on the strength of the "stick's" thrust.

That's assuming the statues could be moved at all.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: RoninAngel on May 10, 2010, 08:58:36 am
I feel like the only thing that might get them out of this may be a Deus ex Machina its getting pretty bleak. Which is sad, as they are facing just one guy.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Churba on May 10, 2010, 11:41:11 am
True.  Even if he wasn't strong enough to overpower them, he's simply put the butt of the "stick" against the wall behind him and then point and set it off... Although that would then depend on the strength of the "stick's" thrust.

That's assuming the statues could be moved at all.
Well, of course it does, not much point in shoving the things over if nobody is using them, and they're just chilling out by the back wall.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: akashayi on May 10, 2010, 12:34:27 pm
I'm still under the impression that glyph had more of an ace up his sleeve and isn't dead.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Xshu on May 10, 2010, 02:09:06 pm
Have to agree with you there. Members of the phalanx don't strike me as idiots.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Kiran on May 10, 2010, 02:26:22 pm
Well he couldn't predict that Danzig's stick could shock him to death, as far we know the only spell he used was of that visor.
But I'll take any possibility which will help them escape Danzig's grasp.
When they will take sleeping dust, they again will be locked down, but this time with Moss and Fata too, or maybe Danzig will start some experiments on females, anyway the future looks grim.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: rachel12 on May 10, 2010, 04:59:35 pm
I have to ask, has Bren ever beaten anyone other than Voulger in his duel with Bren? Seems its talked about what a great fighter she is, but it seems she's getting beaten by everyone she runs across.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: vintage on May 10, 2010, 05:02:19 pm
I think Crest should do a running kick and knock the bag of sleeping dust back at Danzig and Flower-power ;)

I'd like to believe Glyph's not dead either. And I really hope this fight scene won't end yet.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: vintage on May 10, 2010, 05:08:51 pm
I have to ask, has Bren ever beaten anyone other than Voulger in his duel with Bren? Seems its talked about what a great fighter she is, but it seems she's getting beaten by everyone she runs across.

She's beaten a fair few people besides Voulger, off the top of my head -- Ashley, Clairen (who apparently was associated with Thin Man), Derricks, and the second time she faced Bloody Mary she was winning and got her to retreat.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Trombonefellow on May 10, 2010, 06:18:03 pm
I have to ask, has Bren ever beaten anyone other than Voulger in his duel with Bren? Seems its talked about what a great fighter she is, but it seems she's getting beaten by everyone she runs across.
If she misjudges her opponent she will likely lose.
I recall the split rose style being very dependant on that.

Aside from that I still like to think Glyph isn't dead, or can be ressurected, I was kinda happy to see him in combat.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Andrea on May 10, 2010, 07:08:22 pm
I really hope Glyph isn't really dead. I liked this guy a lot. :(
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: dg86 on May 10, 2010, 11:10:17 pm
Feh...

How many flipside characters does it take to screw in a light bulb?

Only one, but it'll take them 3 chapters.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Azure Priest on May 11, 2010, 05:14:30 am
On the "running away" strategy, there IS a way to win with it. Split into two groups.

Bern+Maytag+Suspira in group 1. Crest+Fata+Moss in group 2. Then Danzig and Escher would have 3 options.

1.) Guard the door waiting for their return, but the sorcerers in both groups could "power up" the parties with maintainable spells for a rematch.

2.) Escher and Danzig would chase down one group together, but then the other group could power up and return.

3.) Escher and Danzig would split up and each chase one group, but then the group Escher meets would have its fighter pummel him into submission, while the one Danzig catches would result in him being blasted with sorcery.

I still maintain that surrendering is a bad idea and an option of last recourse because Danzig would enjoy "playing" with them and then the Thin Man's agent "Melter" would come and "examine" them before the Thin Man shows up and begins his experiments with "fresh subjects."
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: ludo on May 11, 2010, 09:33:48 am
Give up and surrender ? That is ? I thought a knight fighting to the death to save innocents people, or just his/her companion. Brave, courage, that sort of things...

At least, she could say : "I'll take care of him, run away. I'll join you later." But it's a little bit cliché, isn't it ? Dying for the greater good... All this fight is a joke about Bern's toughness ! Come on, what's the problem with that man ? He's just got a big stick in his hands ! Every good strategist know when you face a big threat, you must make sacrifices ! Maytag demonstrate it: she's got the arm off ! And what's the matter, fighting one by one ? It wasn't a fair fight !

Glyph will come back like Ikki ! In a sea of flames. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-AO0BML98s) And he will kick those bad ass with his Phoenix Genma Ken.
And laught like hell.
And the women will love him.

It always end like that.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: RoninAngel on May 11, 2010, 10:04:57 am
They aren't going to do it.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Shay on May 11, 2010, 02:30:26 pm
...Why not just have May, Crest, Moss and Fata hold fort for like... five minutes while Suspiria and Bern go a short distance away? Suspiria can cast Diamond Cutter on Bern's blades, and then they'll slice right through the stupid stick.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: charles on May 11, 2010, 03:07:17 pm
"Why don't you give me your best shot." Is a crazy thing to write on someone's tomb stone as their last words *lol*

Ok, so they now have a number of things.

1. a bag of sleeping dust.

2. certain knowledge that they cannot overcome Danzig in the current situation.

The bag of sleeping dust could be thrown at Danzig and Escher but I'd imagine they could easily dodge or Danzig would simply lash out and zap everyone before he was overcome by the powder.  Another possibility is if they pretend to use the powder and fake their sleep, but I'm betting Danzig would do something to be certain.  Other than that either Maytag could maybe overcome the effects (but I'm not sure what she could do) or they could try sprinkling some on their bodies and hope the guys breathe it in as they try to carry them (unlikely).

Knowing that they cannot overcome Danzig in the current situation, They'll retreat from the room and see what other possibilities there are.  Obviously if there's a portal to the outside, thats an instant win.  Even if they only had a portal to inside the building they might be able to bluff Danzig into thinking they've left and make him drop his guard.  The sorcerers might come up with some ideas for enchantments or there could be other items in the warp box that might aide them.  They could simply try waiting him out  Most of them have had a good night's sleep while Danzig has been spending most of his time preparing for their awakening or reading their minds so he'd likely suffer fatigue before any of them.  If they leave the room they could probably even cast some spells to assist in that.Maybe That dark endless doorway is "Dark Cell" and they'll take a gamble that Maytag can guide them through or something.

I agree that surrender shouldn't be an option with what they know, but then maybe they don't know everything and Danzig is about to explain it to them (I do keep wondering why he things they're the good guys and that they're simply "recruiting").
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Trombonefellow on May 12, 2010, 04:18:31 am
...Why not just have May, Crest, Moss and Fata hold fort for like... five minutes while Suspiria and Bern go a short distance away? Suspiria can cast Diamond Cutter on Bern's blades, and then they'll slice right through the stupid stick.

My guess is that the instant the sword makes contact with the stick, she would be shocked.
I guess if Suspira had some sort of protection from electricity spell up her sleeve that would work.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: RoninAngel on May 12, 2010, 05:35:39 am
No. The stick only shocks when the 2nd button is pushed. It's not like it's made of copper wireing or something, it's a magic item. If you sliced it in half, it wouldn't shock you.
Also, it wouldn't have to be Bernadette and Suspira, any other character could take the extra sword out of the room for Suspira to enchant. Come to think of it, Suspira could probably carry it all by herself.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: charles on May 12, 2010, 03:03:40 pm
I agree that surrender shouldn't be an option with what they know, but then maybe they don't know everything and Danzig is about to explain it to them (I do keep wondering why he things they're the good guys and that they're simply "recruiting").

Looks like we go for this option. Find out whats really happening.  Although I don't quite understand how Danzig could be duped about the Thin Man's experiments if he's read Maytag's memories and knows about Bloody Mary and Melter.

Best I can think is that Bloody Mary either was a willing participant after all and had her memory wiped, or she was an unwilling participant of someone else's experiments and Melter is a planted memory.

Other possibility is that Danzig has a pretty twisted sense of how well things work out for people.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Kiran on May 12, 2010, 03:21:52 pm
Other possibility is that Danzig has a pretty twisted sense of how well things work out for people.
I would rather go with this.
This whole experiment is really only for willing people, right, and they don't force anyone to stay with them, right.
So what would be the reason to force them into submission so brutally by killing one of them...
Oh well it's just another twisted logic of some mental guy.
Still I wonder if May could bargain in such circumstances with Danzig that she would willingly take up these experiments if he would let other go free from this Warp Box.
Cause really May and Suspiria seems to be the only one who passed some criteria to be taken subject as Thin Man experiments (like we saw Danzig wanted to kill Bern, so she was useless, just Glyph was unlucky to go into scene), maybe such experiment can only happen if the subject accepts her fate, that's why Danzig is playing with them, maybe experiments on unwilling subject will go into bad end Bloody Mary direction.
But yeah many maybes here.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: 9_6 on May 12, 2010, 05:53:51 pm
Yeah, it's totally not like she'd be forced.
You know, apart from being locked up and such.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Churba on May 12, 2010, 06:46:53 pm
Feh...

How many flipside characters does it take to screw in a light bulb?

Only one, but it'll take them 3 chapters.
Why would they need to, It seems that Glyph is pretty well lit up.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: charles on May 13, 2010, 01:41:44 am
I gotta admit, I'm just a little bit miffed at Glyph going down so quick.  The cover and leadup gave me the impression of an impressive faceoff and then we had about two pages of action :(

At least now we're going to get some answers before the end of the book if Maytags about to dig into Danzig for some tidbits.  Knowing what the Thin Man plans to do to them thus far, they should all accept the same quick death as Glyph before taking that deal.  But if Danzig can actually clear a few things up, either it won't look so bad... or Maytag might be able to help him realize just how bad it is.

...still time for Maxmillian to come to the rescue?
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Azure Priest on May 13, 2010, 06:37:54 am
Other possibility is that Danzig has a pretty twisted sense of how well things work out for people.

Or has a pretty twisted idea of "usually." He also seems to have really strange ideas of "consent" and "recruit."
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: tbeean on May 14, 2010, 08:33:08 am
i knew you had some good in you moss  (:
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: charles on May 14, 2010, 08:55:54 am
I think the others are gonna bitch slap him something chronic if he's been holding out this entire time.

But then he appeared clueless for a solution when he was talking to Crest earlier... so only two things have changed since then.

1. They have a bag of sleeping dust.

2. Glyph returned after Moss failed to categorise him as a sorcerer.

I'm not sure what Moss might have seen in Glyph's actions that Danzig could have missed. If Danzig has read his mind you'd think he would know whatever role Glyph has and any other strange tricks... Could we still get Super Saiyan Glyph?
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: CrystalDragonSpaceMarine on May 14, 2010, 10:54:18 am
I think the others are gonna bitch slap him something chronic if he's been holding out this entire time.

But then he appeared clueless for a solution when he was talking to Crest earlier... so only two things have changed since then.

1. They have a bag of sleeping dust.

2. Glyph returned after Moss failed to categorise him as a sorcerer.

I'm not sure what Moss might have seen in Glyph's actions that Danzig could have missed. If Danzig has read his mind you'd think he would know whatever role Glyph has and any other strange tricks... Could we still get Super Saiyan Glyph?


I think that might be the case. I really don't think Moss, a manipulator who can see weaknesses, would go intot his "blind" so to speak. He would have known about the antimagic flower, obviously (the fact that he didn't buff up before then surprised me, but it seems he has something else in mind).

I think he just didn't care about Glyph.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Kiran on May 14, 2010, 01:12:20 pm
Either Glyph lives and he will disable the flower with an attack, or Moss knows that his uncle is bluffing and he can only use that zapping option of his stick once and then it needs to be recharged somewhere, that's why sleeping powder so everyone would be out and nobody would try to attack.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Azure Priest on May 14, 2010, 02:04:55 pm
Or maybe the Glyph that "died" is an illusion as are the twins and Fata is actually elsewhere while Moss was "playing dumb" UNTIL the plan (whatever it is) comes to fruition.

Either that, or mad delusional states have a strong hereditary component in Danzig and Moss' family tree.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: BeethroBudkin on May 14, 2010, 04:08:58 pm
Go Moss!  ;D

I think that Moss may have needed time to work out his plan and he did not want to let Danzig know he had a plan until he had it all planned out.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Eversist on May 17, 2010, 12:42:30 am
Is it just me, or has Flipside been kinda dragging lately? It feels like much isn't even being revealed in dialogue.

I keep waiting for something to happen... hope it will be soon.  :-*
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: charles on May 17, 2010, 12:57:49 am
This is the last chapter of book 5.  I'd imagine that we're going to get some revealing information. Don't forget that much of the last chapter was a fight scene, so those are usually a bit more heavy on action and sparse on plot.


Heck, we might even have an exclusive side story or something straight after for the book.  Brion usually has to make one to fill the pages for the print (and to get better sales I guess *lol*).

EDIT: Scratch that. Much of the last chapter revealed a fair amount!  It was only the last 8 pages or something which were fighting, then we had the first 8-9 pages of this chapter for fighting and now Danzig's talking about the Thin Man and the process (as far as he knows it).

We got the details on the bath scene, rescue of the friends, team up with Moss and Fata, gathering of most hero's items (minus Maytag's bag) together with an explaination of the warp box they're in.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: BeethroBudkin on May 17, 2010, 05:09:18 pm
Is it just me, or has Flipside been kinda dragging lately? It feels like much isn't even being revealed in dialogue.

I keep waiting for something to happen... hope it will be soon.  :-*

What's to reveal besides Moss's plan?
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Artistics on May 18, 2010, 01:18:24 pm
It's official, I love Glyph (no homo, relax Glyph). Also, well don't these guys always have an ace up their sleeve.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: tbeean on May 18, 2010, 01:31:21 pm
can't say i wasn't expecting that. :l

i just don't like glyph...  :(
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Trombonefellow on May 18, 2010, 01:53:02 pm
My face lit up when I saw Glyph wasn't dead, he's a cool guy after all.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Andrea on May 18, 2010, 03:36:59 pm
go Glyph you rock!
And thanks Brion!
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: 9_6 on May 18, 2010, 04:33:52 pm
...they're fingerless.
His fingers touched the staff.
He was smoking.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: SAGG on May 18, 2010, 04:37:37 pm
YES! Knock that smug look off his face, Glyph!  ;D
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: BlueYoshi on May 18, 2010, 05:05:33 pm
...they're fingerless.
His fingers touched the staff.
He was smoking.

The electricity must have had some effect. It took him a while to get up again. The gloves look damaged, and his fingers look charred.

It looks like Moss knew about the staff's second function, and informed Glyph beforehand.

Also, I posted in the Mistake thread that there was a dialogue error in Page 5 of this chapter, but it's yet to be fixed.

Danzig: It's be such a shame to kill such a beautiful woman.

It should be: It'll be such a shame...
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: charles on May 18, 2010, 05:54:09 pm
@Brion: If Flipside is ever made into an anime... You're gonna need some God awesome heavy metal music playing as Glyph gets back up.

Didn't read the part of his brain about the gloves, hu Danzig?

Or Moss supplied them to him, after all, Glyph was missing all his clothes and as someone mentioned, Moss would know about all the Stick's tricks.

I was actually wondering about those gloves, 'cos I didn't see them earlier.

He still has a problem though... His spell for detecting the path of magick is gone.  I guess the gloves nullified his own spells as well.

...WAIT! Has Glyph Nullified just the electric spell against him, or the whole staff?
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Kamui on May 19, 2010, 12:11:28 am
...WAIT! Has Glyph Nullified just the electric spell against him, or the whole staff?

Honestly, I could see it going either way, but if he just nullified the shock then I wouldn't consider Danzig "beaten" as soundly as Moss is implying, so it's possible that the staff itself was just disenchanted from the nullification that Glyph activated.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: akashayi on May 19, 2010, 12:52:44 am
@Brion: If Flipside is ever made into an anime... You're gonna need some God awesome heavy metal music playing as Glyph gets back up.

So what awesome track would be playing during this fight scene, anyway?


also, why was everyone... except Moss and Morgana surprised? Did Moss make some secret extra plan with Glyph?
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Churba on May 19, 2010, 01:03:44 am
@Brion: If Flipside is ever made into an anime... You're gonna need some God awesome heavy metal music playing as Glyph gets back up.
Heavy metal....played by KRAUSER!
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Kiran on May 19, 2010, 03:01:13 am
So IT lives!
Like I said I would welcome any positive development for our group to get out of that warp box and Danzig.
I still don't like Glyph character, but if he thought this off with Moss behind others back he got my points.
So Glyph had to completely nulify that staff magic/enchantment to make some difference, so Danzig can't zap anymore, it's game over for him.
Of course if his servant with flower is just for a show, and he can't use the energy gathered in the flower for offensive.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: charles on May 19, 2010, 04:37:41 am
@Brion: If Flipside is ever made into an anime... You're gonna need some God awesome heavy metal music playing as Glyph gets back up.

So what awesome track would be playing during this fight scene, anyway?

Well... I think we need to go for some old school Canadian Metal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CLkZenc3ZU&feature=related
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Azure Priest on May 19, 2010, 07:23:37 am
Glyph, YOU ROCK. You may be a pervert, but I wouldn't want to be against you in battle. Oh, and GO KICK Danzig's big fat "girly man" ass!
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: tbeean on May 19, 2010, 09:33:18 am
@Brion: If Flipside is ever made into an anime... You're gonna need some God awesome heavy metal music playing as Glyph gets back up.

So what awesome track would be playing during this fight scene, anyway?

Well... I think we need to go for some old school Canadian Metal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CLkZenc3ZU&feature=related
nothx. good old fashioned metal plz. :3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXbYj9WOBHY
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Churba on May 19, 2010, 09:59:56 am
@Brion: If Flipside is ever made into an anime... You're gonna need some God awesome heavy metal music playing as Glyph gets back up.

So what awesome track would be playing during this fight scene, anyway?

Well... I think we need to go for some old school Canadian Metal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CLkZenc3ZU&feature=related
nothx. good old fashioned metal plz. :3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXbYj9WOBHY
Well, Good form, But AC/DC is Rock, not metal.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: RoninAngel on May 19, 2010, 10:27:37 am
...they're fingerless.
His fingers touched the staff.
He was smoking.

I agree. I noticed that too. If they "nullified" the staffs effect so well, why was he a charred husk a few seconds ago? Perhaps we'll get an explanation in the coming strips.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Foof on May 19, 2010, 11:43:29 am
Yeeh, glyph!

His palm also touched the staff, as he grabbed it with his hand.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: tbeean on May 19, 2010, 11:52:57 am
@Brion: If Flipside is ever made into an anime... You're gonna need some God awesome heavy metal music playing as Glyph gets back up.

So what awesome track would be playing during this fight scene, anyway?

Well... I think we need to go for some old school Canadian Metal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CLkZenc3ZU&feature=related
nothx. good old fashioned metal plz. :3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXbYj9WOBHY
Well, Good form, But AC/DC is Rock, not metal.
eep. yeah. um...
good old british metal then :3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9vYReUrhbU&feature=related
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: 9_6 on May 19, 2010, 02:24:49 pm
I wish moss could see HIS face.
Something is seriously wrong with it in the bottom left panel.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Alcapter on May 19, 2010, 05:02:20 pm
Yey for Glyph! After Kin died I was mad when I whought Brion killed another great male character. But now it looks different. Go Glyph go!

Btw, when i was bored i read old interviews and found out this one part with Clairen (already dead assassin from book 0):

Synaid: When you got your tattoo, was "paralyze guys" cheaper then "paralyze anybody" or "paralyze girls" or did you get it intending to only paralyze guys?

Clairen:You don't understand... I didn't choose to get this tattoo. Not exactly. You see, I... I was just looking for a way to become more powerful. And then I met a sorcerer who said he could grant my wish. But, at the time, I didn't know the whole truth... so, I stupidly allowed him to expiriment on my body. Now, I know how lucky  I really am! Those kind of expiriments are illegal, very dangerous... if it had failed, I may have suffered... *shudders* ... a fate worse than death! So, I was very lucky that the expiriment on my body was successful. Actually, there still may be some bad side effects, but as of yet I haven't found out...


So I thought about that MAYBE it was The Thin Man (Meltzer) who made her that tatoo?! What u think?
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Churba on May 19, 2010, 07:14:09 pm
@Brion: If Flipside is ever made into an anime... You're gonna need some God awesome heavy metal music playing as Glyph gets back up.

So what awesome track would be playing during this fight scene, anyway?

Well... I think we need to go for some old school Canadian Metal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CLkZenc3ZU&feature=related
nothx. good old fashioned metal plz. :3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXbYj9WOBHY
Well, Good form, But AC/DC is Rock, not metal.
eep. yeah. um...
good old british metal then :3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9vYReUrhbU&feature=related
It's alright, you're American - Americans tend to have a slightly softer attitude as to what's metal. I've heard some americans call The Living End metal before, which is big dose of WTF.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: charles on May 19, 2010, 11:57:42 pm
The strange thing is that some of my favorite Metal is actually the Slower stuff for some reason.

Here's an example from the same Canadian Mob: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ollKF8xtDKA

I think its probably 'cos I get all sorts of images in my head of the good old epic slow-motion bad-ass walk. 8)

***************

But yeah, Now I guess we'll find out if he's game enough to tell Escher to cut the flower and try to overpower them with magick.  He might actually have some success if he's got special powers or training from The Thin man but against two members of the Phalanx, Moss and Fata, I don't like his chances... Unless there is something special he or Escher can do with that stored energy.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Azure Priest on May 20, 2010, 05:41:17 am
Yey for Glyph! After Kin died I was mad when I whought Brion killed another great male character. But now it looks different. Go Glyph go!

Btw, when i was bored i read old interviews and found out this one part with Clairen (already dead assassin from book 0):

Synaid: When you got your tattoo, was "paralyze guys" cheaper then "paralyze anybody" or "paralyze girls" or did you get it intending to only paralyze guys?

Clairen:You don't understand... I didn't choose to get this tattoo. Not exactly. You see, I... I was just looking for a way to become more powerful. And then I met a sorcerer who said he could grant my wish. But, at the time, I didn't know the whole truth... so, I stupidly allowed him to expiriment on my body. Now, I know how lucky  I really am! Those kind of expiriments are illegal, very dangerous... if it had failed, I may have suffered... *shudders* ... a fate worse than death! So, I was very lucky that the expiriment on my body was successful. Actually, there still may be some bad side effects, but as of yet I haven't found out...


So I thought about that MAYBE it was The Thin Man (Meltzer) who made her that tatoo?! What u think?

Maytag confirms in the story by reminding Bern of Claire while saying that Bloody Mary is the worst that he's created "yet." Yes, it's cannon that Claire is one of The Thin Man's experiments.

Yes, as if there wasn't reason to hate Moss before, today's page eliminates all doubt. I don't care about his backstory anymore, he's PONDSCUM. He may be needed to escape, but I share Bern's sentiments about him. He needs to go somewhere far FAR away, and maybe get some good "professional" help.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: 9_6 on May 20, 2010, 06:06:48 am
great male character
What
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: charles on May 20, 2010, 08:58:24 am
great male character
What
Consider your current other choices of male protagonists in the series: Moss and Crest... Although admittedly Crest has been improving here and there.

Crest is still overly shy and reserved. Moss is just his twisted self.  Glyph.... Well...

(http://www.flipsidecomics.com/comic/com-flipint-12-05.gif)(http://www.flipsidecomics.com/comic/com-flipint-13-04.gif)

PLUS! His magick and fighting skills actually seem to make him somewhat useful.

The only problem I have with him presently is that he's a bit of a two dimensional charcter, but then he's quite new to the comic so I'm willing to wait a bit longer to learn some of his background.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Churba on May 20, 2010, 09:24:27 am
Crustaciophillia, awww yeah.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: tbeean on May 20, 2010, 09:31:41 am
@Brion: If Flipside is ever made into an anime... You're gonna need some God awesome heavy metal music playing as Glyph gets back up.

So what awesome track would be playing during this fight scene, anyway?

Well... I think we need to go for some old school Canadian Metal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CLkZenc3ZU&feature=related
nothx. good old fashioned metal plz. :3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXbYj9WOBHY
Well, Good form, But AC/DC is Rock, not metal.
eep. yeah. um...
good old british metal then :3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9vYReUrhbU&feature=related
It's alright, you're American - Americans tend to have a slightly softer attitude as to what's metal. I've heard some americans call The Living End metal before, which is big dose of WTF.
okay. i'm offended now. i'm english! D':

anyway, GO MOSS. :'D i always believed in you. even if you do look a bit weird in the 7th panel  :'(
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: 9_6 on May 20, 2010, 10:07:00 am
Consider your current other choices of male protagonists in the series: Moss and Crest...
Well both have an actual fleshed out character to speak of.
Right now glyph, just like kin, is just a walking cliche. The "pervy guy".
Beyond that, we know nothing.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Churba on May 20, 2010, 10:27:50 am
@Brion: If Flipside is ever made into an anime... You're gonna need some God awesome heavy metal music playing as Glyph gets back up.

So what awesome track would be playing during this fight scene, anyway?

Well... I think we need to go for some old school Canadian Metal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CLkZenc3ZU&feature=related
nothx. good old fashioned metal plz. :3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXbYj9WOBHY
Well, Good form, But AC/DC is Rock, not metal.
eep. yeah. um...
good old british metal then :3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9vYReUrhbU&feature=related
It's alright, you're American - Americans tend to have a slightly softer attitude as to what's metal. I've heard some americans call The Living End metal before, which is big dose of WTF.
okay. i'm offended now. i'm english! D':

anyway, GO MOSS. :'D i always believed in you. even if you do look a bit weird in the 7th panel  :'(
Then you have no excuse and you should be ashamed. Double ashamed if you're from the south. Not because the south has any strong relation to good metal, but just for being southern.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: tbeean on May 20, 2010, 12:26:32 pm
nothx. good old fashioned metal plz. :3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXbYj9WOBHY
Well, Good form, But AC/DC is Rock, not metal.
eep. yeah. um...
good old british metal then :3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9vYReUrhbU&feature=related
It's alright, you're American - Americans tend to have a slightly softer attitude as to what's metal. I've heard some americans call The Living End metal before, which is big dose of WTF.
okay. i'm offended now. i'm english! D':

anyway, GO MOSS. :'D i always believed in you. even if you do look a bit weird in the 7th panel  :'(
Then you have no excuse and you should be ashamed. Double ashamed if you're from the south. Not because the south has any strong relation to good metal, but just for being southern.
i'm from the midlands. neither here nor there. xD
and it was a mistake D: IM SORRY CHURBA  :(  :P
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: CrystalDragonSpaceMarine on May 20, 2010, 01:15:57 pm
Intermission Glyph seems a lot more smooth than Comic Glyph.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: ludo on May 20, 2010, 05:45:42 pm
Well... I think we need to go for some old school Canadian Metal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CLkZenc3ZU&feature=related

Personally, I find this one totally adapted to the man : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjYJndzV07c

But we'll need some flash back to the bathroom plan, to fit the lyrics.

Ok, it's been a long time without rest. I shall go.

Edit:
In a first place, and seriously this time, I thought has this song for the main theme of the battle. What do you thing ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eiL-GhtjkY
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Xshu on May 20, 2010, 09:52:45 pm
Is it just me, or is Moss kind of a dick? He's really rubbing it in here, and it's not like Danzig is particularly cruel to him or anything. Sure Danzig is a villain, but...
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: charles on May 20, 2010, 10:16:58 pm
...You're only just realising now that Moss is a dick?

Would I be correct in presuming that you haven't read all the way through Book 0, including the part where Moss tortured Maytag for the fun of it?

If the term was still in medican use, he'd be diagnosed with Sadistic personality disorder.  Personally, I think Fata Morgana might have masochistic personality disorder which could make their team-up a dangerous combination.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Churba on May 20, 2010, 10:31:17 pm
For some reason I keep laughing at the Bullshit stick line.

Danzig fronting up to a club, saying to the women "Hey ladies, wanna see my bullshit stick? It's both shocking and extend-able..."
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: wodan46 on May 20, 2010, 11:42:27 pm
If Moss were in D&D, his alignment would simply be Jerkass.  Not Evil, per se, just Jerkass.

I mean seriously, http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Jerkass reads like it was Moss's biography.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Azure Priest on May 21, 2010, 09:55:03 am
Ok, Jerkass can have 3 meanings.

1. Someone who gives wedgies.

2. Someone who abuses mules/donkeys.

3. A REALLY bad proctologist.

I suspect all three apply to Moss in one way or another. Especially with the bullshit stick lines.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Churba on May 21, 2010, 10:02:49 am
Especially with the bullshit stick lines.
That's Glyph's line.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: CrystalDragonSpaceMarine on May 21, 2010, 10:11:22 pm
Aww yeah, the trash talkin's on.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: tbeean on May 22, 2010, 12:59:46 am
LOL. 'er, that doesn't sound right'

:') brion, you have made my day.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: charles on May 22, 2010, 03:10:33 am
Actually Glyph, he knows exactly what he's up against... He's read your freaking mind mate.

Its not over yet.  I wouldn't be surprised if we suddenly discover that Danzig is in posession of Maytag's D-Bag and will be able to call upon all her tricks... Although I guess he can null them all if he's quick/good enough... Plus, if he does throw a knife at someone and Maytag gets a hold of it, he's going to regret it.

I'm sure Glyph is probably going to be some kind of Kung-Fu master, but I still think they need Bern in this with him.  Maybe even Crest using the anti-magick sword too.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Trombonefellow on May 22, 2010, 09:07:49 am
If Moss were in D&D, his alignment would simply be Jerkass.  Not Evil, per se, just Jerkass.

I mean seriously, http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Jerkass reads like it was Moss's biography.

I should've figured Flipside would have one already, but I found it pretty intresting:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Flipside
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: BeethroBudkin on May 22, 2010, 07:23:39 pm
If Moss were in D&D, his alignment would simply be Jerkass.  Not Evil, per se, just Jerkass.

I mean seriously, http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Jerkass reads like it was Moss's biography.

I think Moss would probably be Neutral Evil, although you could argue that he is Chaotic Evil.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: wodan46 on May 23, 2010, 07:29:05 am
Perhaps, but overall, I think that when choosing a course of action, Moss seems to choose "what would be the most jerkass thing I can do" rather than "what benefits me the most, even at the expense of others", as many of his actions, such as betraying Danzig, then throwing it in his face, seem rather risky even from a neutral evil perspective.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Azure Priest on May 24, 2010, 02:25:22 am
If Moss were in D&D, his alignment would simply be Jerkass.  Not Evil, per se, just Jerkass.

I mean seriously, http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Jerkass reads like it was Moss's biography.

I think Moss would probably be Neutral Evil, although you could argue that he is Chaotic Evil.

I would suspect Chaotic Neutral as opposed to any Evil alignment. Chaotic Neutral people tend to be loud, obnoxious and crazy.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Alcapter on May 24, 2010, 05:30:47 am
If Moss were in D&D, his alignment would simply be Jerkass.  Not Evil, per se, just Jerkass.

I mean seriously, http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Jerkass reads like it was Moss's biography.

I think Moss would probably be Neutral Evil, although you could argue that he is Chaotic Evil.

I would suspect Chaotic Neutral as opposed to any Evil alignment. Chaotic Neutral people tend to be loud, obnoxious and crazy.

u think he's not evil? I think he is pure evil (helping Maytag just because he wants to mess up with Danzig). All he do is either for his own profit or for others pain. It is not neutral.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: RoninAngel on May 24, 2010, 06:55:13 am
There is nothing neutral about Moss. Evil's two defining characteristics are: willingness to harm or sacrifice others for pleasure or to achieve goals, and lack of empathy. Moss' two defining characteristics are, guess what, willingness to harm or sacrifice others for pleasure or to achieve goals and lack of empathy.
It's not really a judgment so much as simple observation.  :-\
The latest strip is cool because it will be cool when Danzig finally gets his ass beat.
Fucking smug asshole.  >:(
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Churba on May 24, 2010, 12:46:13 pm
Next page - Glyph lying on the floor bleeding and bruised, and moss saying "It's not magic anymore, but he still has a staff, you dumbass."
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Trombonefellow on May 24, 2010, 03:01:30 pm
The first panel has thrown me off a bit.
It looks like Danzig was looking back at something for a second, likely that slave guy.
I can't help but think he can do more with that flower.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: 9_6 on May 24, 2010, 03:59:51 pm
ORA ORA ORA ORA MUDDA MUDDA MUDDA MUDDADA!
ZA WARUDO! WRYYYYYYYYYY!

Action scenes still look a bit stiff.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: charles on May 24, 2010, 10:14:16 pm
I kind of presumed he just had his body side on, with his left shoulder facing Glyph for that first panel. Then he's steped forward quickly with his right foot and thrust at him.

Then again... Anyone else notice that Danzig appears to be wearing a fingerless glove on his right hand as well now?

If he does have a d-bag (particularly Maytag's), he could easily pull out healing potions together with strength, reflex and many more potions to buff himself up.

Wait:
(http://www.flipsidecomics.com/comic/com-flipint-05-06.gif)

Hmmm, Well the Strength potion has since been used but there's still a Reflex which could help.  Hell, he can just throw the remaining fireblast mixture or even a flash mixture for good effect... But thats if he's got Maytag's d-bag. He could easily have his own with all sorts of goodies.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Razzly on May 25, 2010, 12:15:38 am
I'm quite starting to like Glyph.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: charles on May 25, 2010, 02:17:34 am
Heh, yeah. But I'm still betting Bern would take him out in hand to hand if he took another peek at her.

(http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/5820/akane20iro20ni20somaru2qg3.jpg)

Better make that foot to crotch rather than hand to hand.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Alcapter on May 25, 2010, 08:51:48 am
Woah! That is a nice page. GOOOO Glyph!
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Churba on May 25, 2010, 09:48:28 am
I've heard of Knife Hand technique, but that's some serious business right there.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Azure Priest on May 25, 2010, 04:04:22 pm
There is nothing neutral about Moss. Evil's two defining characteristics are: willingness to harm or sacrifice others for pleasure or to achieve goals, and lack of empathy. Moss' two defining characteristics are, guess what, willingness to harm or sacrifice others for pleasure or to achieve goals and lack of empathy.
It's not really a judgment so much as simple observation.  :-\
The latest strip is cool because it will be cool when Danzig finally gets his ass beat.
Fucking smug asshole.  >:(

If he was irredeemably evil, he would have LITERALLY screwed Maytag over when he had her at his mercy. As it stands, he was just honoring her request back from Book 0 "save your insults for me, I think they're funny."

We also don't know WHY he wants the Thin Man's research. Is he trying to stop or "cure" Mary? Is he trying to cure his "curse?" Or is he merely seeking the knowledge for its own sake?

THAT'S why I call him "neutral." He's leaning TOWARDS evil now, but he's not all the way there.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Trombonefellow on May 25, 2010, 04:39:22 pm
I kind of presumed he just had his body side on, with his left shoulder facing Glyph for that first panel. Then he's steped forward quickly with his right foot and thrust at him.
Then again... Anyone else notice that Danzig appears to be wearing a fingerless glove on his right hand as well now?

Yeah I see it now, right after he gets struck by Glyph you can see it as he holds his side.
I kinda thought he stole the glove somehow, or something.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: 9_6 on May 25, 2010, 06:35:47 pm
Knife Hand technique
Yeah... (http://www.onemanga.com/Toriko/1/55/)
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: charles on May 25, 2010, 07:41:16 pm
Danzig can cry all he wants that he has fair treatment and choice for a greater good, etc.

The bastard tried to kill Glyph, possessed Glyph and tried to rape Maytag and Bern with his body.

But, as ever, There rarely tend to be completely evil characters in Flipside (I think Derricks is maybe the only one we've met) so Danzig may yet show some redeeming qualities... He'll probably be enlightened to the Thin Man's evil ways and turn on him to save them or something *shrug*.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Churba on May 26, 2010, 03:06:14 am
Knife Hand technique
Yeah... (http://www.onemanga.com/Toriko/1/55/)
Oh mans, shit just got real.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: CrystalDragonSpaceMarine on May 26, 2010, 10:07:07 am
Next page:

Glyph: ATATATATATATATATA!!! You're already dead.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Pozf on May 26, 2010, 10:42:52 am
Danzig readies Penta Thrust
Danzig uses Penta Thrust
Danzig: ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA!!
Escher:  Dammit how many times do I have to tell you to stop using that macro.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Brion Foulke on May 26, 2010, 11:20:07 am
Danzig readies Penta Thrust
Danzig uses Penta Thrust
Danzig: ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA!!
Escher:  Dammit how many times do I have to tell you to stop using that macro.

A FFXI joke?  Awesome.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Yahappynow on May 26, 2010, 12:14:57 pm
I'm a huge fan of the sudden jump into free use of profanity.  Adds a dimension of realism I didn't notice was missing before.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: 9_6 on May 26, 2010, 01:13:31 pm
IS IT ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA? (http://www.onemanga.com/Jojo's_Bizarre_Adventure/237/18/)
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: charles on May 26, 2010, 03:35:42 pm
Danzig's hopeful.

ORAL ORAL ORAL ORAL ORAL ORAL ON MY STICK! ::)
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Brion Foulke on May 26, 2010, 04:13:33 pm
I kind of presumed he just had his body side on, with his left shoulder facing Glyph for that first panel. Then he's steped forward quickly with his right foot and thrust at him.
Then again... Anyone else notice that Danzig appears to be wearing a fingerless glove on his right hand as well now?

Yeah I see it now, right after he gets struck by Glyph you can see it as he holds his side.
I kinda thought he stole the glove somehow, or something.

Just a mistake.  It's fixed now.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Foof on May 26, 2010, 06:39:17 pm
"ORA ORA ORA ORA!!!

WRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!"

I am so looking forward to the rest of this fight.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: akashayi on May 26, 2010, 10:35:30 pm
Danzig's hopeful.

ORAL ORAL ORAL ORAL ORAL ORAL ON MY STICK! ::)

hm. He might like that. Danzig/Glyph fan porn ahoy? ;P
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: ludo on May 27, 2010, 07:48:11 am
I don't know where to notice it, but there is something weird with the rss. It's saying that pages 17 and 18 are released.

But, nothing on the website.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Eonknight on May 28, 2010, 05:26:23 am
Howdy all!  8)

Anyone else has the feeling Danzig is using with them the exact same technique Maytag used on "Xibulba" Derricks (i.e. intimidate, then impress).
The advantage in this fight keeps swinging from one side to the other. Can't wait to see who'll win in the end...

Thank you, Mr Foulke, for this very interesting and entertaining story! *thumbs up*
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Azure Priest on May 28, 2010, 05:47:43 am
Ok, this takes us back to the "RUN" strategy.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: tbeean on May 28, 2010, 07:41:49 am
danzig is baaad.
poor moss :(
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Alcapter on May 28, 2010, 07:43:43 am
And now Bernardette should enter. Its normal that very good melee fighter cant beat very good staff/sword fighter. The adventage of distance is just too much. (Just like in RL word white weapons cant beat guns for example - distance adventage).

So now - GO Bernardette! But still Danzig had read all their minds and knows that Split Rose has only defensive + counterattack moves so he could use that on his adventage.

Well Im sure Bern knows other styles too (more offensive) so she can attack Danzig, but im sure it would be harder for her to attack the enemy.

My plan is Bern attacking Danzig and Glyph attacking Escher (if he hits Escher to make him for example unconcious then he wont be able to hold the magic rose, would he?).  Danzig cant defend himself and Escher at same time - Bern is just too good fighter.

If they eliminate Escher then its an instant win. Suspira+Moss+Glyph+Fata Morgana magic vs Danzig (lets hope that Meltzer dont appear suddenly).
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: ludo on May 28, 2010, 07:51:06 am
Now, crest can fight. No more super bullet from the magical staff. 3vs2 !
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Eonknight on May 28, 2010, 07:19:02 pm
Quote
And now Bernardette should enter. Its normal that very good melee fighter cant beat very good staff/sword fighter. The adventage of distance is just too much. (Just like in RL word white weapons cant beat guns for example - distance adventage).

As you say, I'm not sure Bernadette can do much against him on her own, but NOW they can all rush in without fearing for their life; in the worst case, Danzig would land a few blows before being swarmed... What are a few bruises if you get your freedom back?  ;)
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: BeethroBudkin on May 28, 2010, 09:47:05 pm
I sense a rant from Ronin coming....
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: 9_6 on May 29, 2010, 03:48:39 am
Now crest is supposed to go all "WRYYYYYYYYYYYY" on danzig and the day is saved.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Smiles on May 30, 2010, 02:59:19 am
actually i'm impressed with the current page. everything has been so easy for may and bern till now. it's nice to see a fight that looks less like they might win for once... though i'm still looking forward to seeing them win ;)

it was cool as always to see you at Acen brion ;)  :-* can't wait to get my maytag plushie!
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: charles on May 30, 2010, 07:10:24 am
The problem here is that he's read all their memories, so while he might not have their abilities, he knows all their moves.  He knows his opponent more than they ever possibly could.

Throw Bern and Glyph in this together for the best attack result, but I agree that Danzig could probably take them both with his skill combined with knowledge.  Not to mention the fact that both Bern and Glyph are injured (although, so is Danzig now)

Their best bet is attacking Escher and letting the magick users overpower Danzig.

Then again... sleping powder...
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Azure Priest on May 30, 2010, 07:19:48 am
actually i'm impressed with the current page. everything has been so easy for may and bern till now. it's nice to see a fight that looks less like they might win for once... though i'm still looking forward to seeing them win ;)

it was cool as always to see you at Acen brion ;)  :-* can't wait to get my maytag plushie!

Easy??!! What comic have you been reading?

Maytag vs Volger. Insta-loss.

Bern & Maytag vs. Derrick (with collar) Bern humiliated (nearly raped) and Maytag nearly mutilated (rescued by a wizard from the Phalanx).

Bern and Maytag vs Bloody Mary.

Round 1. Bern almost dies, has to be healed by Suspira. Maytag runs away.

Round 2. Maytag taken hostage, gets arm eaten! Bern vs Mary, draw. Mary runs away.

If anything, the fights have been getting progressively harder, not "easy" and all of a sudden "not sure they'll win."

Also look at the post that ninja'd me. I'm sure Danzig has taken precautions against that "sleeping powder" too.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Kiran on May 31, 2010, 06:43:15 am
Well I hope that Bern will improvise, her split rose style is for children like that old guy said, a real warrior should match his/her style to opponent she's facing.
I hope Bern saw some flaw in Danzig technique where she could take her attack chance, since she's looking pretty serious and confident here.
Glyph should take care of Escher while Bern would have second round of her fight with Danzig.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Azure Priest on May 31, 2010, 07:05:20 am
Glyph's respectability just went up a whole bunch. Not ashamed to admit when he's in over his head, and giving a "with all due respect" heads up to the one fighter who can take on Mary TWICE without blinking, despite the fact that she nearly died the first time.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Andrea on May 31, 2010, 08:54:28 am
Imho Danzig isn't a big threat to the heroes.

Question: is Glyph able to cast magic?
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Trombonefellow on May 31, 2010, 10:20:56 pm
Imho Danzig isn't a big threat to the heroes.

Question: is Glyph able to cast magic?

I don't know if there are some requirements to become a member of the phlanx (like level 2 sorcerer), but yeah Glyph can cast magic.
So far he has:
-Body Scouter
-Levitation Spell
-Magic Scouter
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: charles on June 01, 2010, 06:05:24 am
hmmmm. It's interesting to see how she'll do considering that Danzig has read all her memories.  I'm still trying to work out how much of an edge that gives him over someone in a melee battle.

Still... He got smacked one by Glyph who was using only his hands. Bern will only need one opening like that and it'll be a sword in his side rather than a set of fingers.   Bern faced him with his magick tricks and she's watched him make some hits at Glyph so she's got some idea of what skill she's up against now.

Danzig is likely to know it if he's outmatched.  I'm thinking he'd just surrender and admit he was trying another bluff.  Otherwise we're about to find out that Danzig really is that good and Bern has some special trick up her sleeve (attack Escher maybe).  Hell, maybe the trick is that for only the second time ever, she won't hold back and will go full out to kill him like she did with Mary the second time around.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Azure Priest on June 02, 2010, 05:44:26 am
Imho Danzig isn't a big threat to the heroes.

Question: is Glyph able to cast magic?

Yes, Glyph CAN cast magic, the problem is, anyone casting magic while Escher has that "flower" out (at least within sight of Escher) will have all his (or her) essence sucked out and fall into a coma. So sorcery is not going to come to the rescue until he's dealt with.

As for Danzig, yeah, he's no push over, even without magic, he messed up Glyph pretty good.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: RoninAngel on June 02, 2010, 07:35:52 am
Come on, come on! Commence with the ass beating!
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Eonknight on June 02, 2010, 05:21:38 pm
...and there! Danzig is going to get his ass handed to him! ;D Prepare for some Bern awesomeness!
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: CrystalDragonSpaceMarine on June 02, 2010, 06:22:48 pm
ORA ORA ORA OR...

Or not.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: charles on June 02, 2010, 06:42:04 pm
WAIT!!!

Did he SERIOUSLY just tell Bern what move he was going to use, after she just finished watching him use it on someone?

...dude is screwed!
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Alcapter on June 03, 2010, 05:04:07 am
WAIT!!!

Did he SERIOUSLY just tell Bern what move he was going to use, after she just finished watching him use it on someone?

...dude is screwed!

Well, I think Danzig didnt tell what move will he use but the name of his technique/style.
Danzig:"<Split Rose>(...) a style based on counterattacks. (...) my <Thousand Strikes> (style) can't be countered" .

But anyway i think he is going to has his ass kicked like CrystalDragonSpaceMarine said.

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ORA ORA ORA OR...

Or not.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Azure Priest on June 03, 2010, 05:25:34 am
ORA ORA ORA or a PUNCH TO THE FACE! :o ;D
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: charles on June 03, 2010, 06:10:20 am
ORA ORA ORA or a BRICK TO THE FACE! :o ;D

Fixed it for you.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Oddball on June 03, 2010, 06:38:11 am
WHHOOOOOOOOoo Flipside BrickTM.  YOu cant go wrong with a brick or 12 dozen  ;D ;D lol
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: CrystalDragonSpaceMarine on June 03, 2010, 12:47:19 pm
ORA ORA ORA or a BRICK TO THE FACE! :o ;D

Fixed it for you.

May: "You got knocked the fuck out, man!"
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Alcapter on June 04, 2010, 02:16:02 am
Great page! I really like it :) Good job Brion!
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: RoninAngel on June 04, 2010, 03:01:20 am
Finally, Finally FINALLY FIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINAAAAAAAAALLY!
I hope his wound gets infected and he dies a slow, horrible death from it.
Now let's get the fuck out of here!
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Xshu on June 04, 2010, 04:28:24 am
Huh. I guess Bern might know more than one fighting style. Either that or Split Rose can be more offensive than we thought.

Ah wait, I remember Bern was willing to use a kick-ass lethal force version of Split Rose against monsters. Maybe she sees this guy as a monster?
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: charles on June 04, 2010, 05:48:59 am
Hard to say.  This looks like split-rose to me.  he attacked and she counter-attacked.

He simply thought that a counter-attack against his "thousand-strikes" was impossible but Bern just proved it wasn't.  Sure, he was highly skilled, but the only thing that was keeping Bern from taking him out was his reach with the magick staff.  Without the reach, he was doomed.

How long has it been since we had a two page spread?  Book 2? No! We had one in Chapter 14.  But yeah. It may only be a single panel and a bit... BUT GOD DAMN WE WERE WAITING FOR SOMEONE TO DO THAT TO THE BUGGER!
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: 9_6 on June 04, 2010, 06:03:43 am
(http://i48.tinypic.com/2s168ht.jpg)
Fixed.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: charles on June 04, 2010, 07:09:15 am
 :o

BEST EDIT EVAR!
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Oddball on June 04, 2010, 07:43:22 am
YEAH!!!!!!!!! thats the way! if you cant attack with a sword a Flipside BrickTM to the face is the next best thing.  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Wanderer on June 04, 2010, 08:04:20 am
Huh. I guess Bern might know more than one fighting style. Either that or Split Rose can be more offensive than we thought.

Ah wait, I remember Bern was willing to use a kick-ass lethal force version of Split Rose against monsters. Maybe she sees this guy as a monster?

She sliced off Clairen's arm back in book 0. It's not that the Split Rose is incapable of harming enemies: it simply requires the enemy to attack FIRST.

Now in this current situation, that was a bit too much "stab through the arm" and not enough "stab through the throat or through the heart" for my tastes, but hopefully it at least managed to wipe that infuriating smile off his face for good this time.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: charles on June 04, 2010, 08:13:07 am
Now in this current situation, that was a bit too much "stab through the arm" and not enough "stab through the throat or through the heart" for my tastes, but hopefully it at least managed to wipe that infuriating smile off his face for good this time.

See... I actually like Bern's controlled style.  Instead of the perpetrator sitting there thinking "Oh, Gawd I'm gonna die!" He's got to sit back and think "Fork! I got owned sooooo bad"

Seriously though, I really love how Bern doesn't really play around here.  If Danzig had just cut the playing around and smacked the lot of 'em around in the beginning, then added the sleeping powder himself, he'd be done right now.  But nooo, he has to screw about to make them choose to give up until someone figures out a way to beat him and WHAM! he's screwed.  But Bern... Bern just goes straight for the win.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Wanderer on June 04, 2010, 08:27:48 am
Now in this current situation, that was a bit too much "stab through the arm" and not enough "stab through the throat or through the heart" for my tastes, but hopefully it at least managed to wipe that infuriating smile off his face for good this time.

See... I actually like Bern's controlled style.  Instead of the perpetrator sitting there thinking "Oh, Gawd I'm gonna die!" He's got to sit back and think "Fork! I got owned sooooo bad"

Seriously though, I really love how Bern doesn't really play around here.  If Danzig had just cut the playing around and smacked the lot of 'em around in the beginning, then added the sleeping powder himself, he'd be done right now.  But nooo, he has to screw about to make them choose to give up until someone figures out a way to beat him and WHAM! he's screwed.  But Bern... Bern just goes straight for the win.

But she didn't, which is my concern. By just wounding Danzig she shook him up, but left the risk of him being able to recover and use some other secret to still beat them all. The only way to be reasonably sure that he won't be able to get the upper hand again is to, at the very least, maim him so badly that he can't fight back. Killing him would be preferable, from my point of view.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: charles on June 04, 2010, 08:37:28 am
But... She just put her sword right through his upper arm... I don't think he's gonna be swinging that stick any more... I think he could be classified as maimed too bad to fight back.

Although I do agree that if her next move was the same one she used on Voulger to knock him the fork out... That would just add to the awesomeness.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Kiran on June 04, 2010, 09:23:40 am
I won't comment much just...

HELL YEAH BERN!

Also that brick edit is gold ;)
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Alcapter on June 04, 2010, 11:06:56 am
(http://i48.tinypic.com/2s168ht.jpg)
Fixed.

Oh f**k! That gotta hurt! You made my day! THUMBS UP!
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Trombonefellow on June 04, 2010, 01:53:31 pm
That edit really was bad ass,
Anyway, I guess the split rose can be offensive when you can disarm (or otherwise disable) opponents like that.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: akashayi on June 04, 2010, 03:20:07 pm
9_6, you win.

The winner, it's you.

XD
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: charles on June 04, 2010, 04:27:53 pm
9_6, you win.

The winner, it's you.

XD

Quoted for truth.  Seriously, Brion's page with like a chocolate cake of "HELL YEAH" and you just put cream and cherries on top of it 9_6
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Oddball on June 04, 2010, 04:46:54 pm
You can just hear the "THUD!" as the brick impacts with his face. Probably breaking his nose, orbit around the eyes, a few teeth along with superfical laserations and hopefully his jaw so he will fucking shut up and do some thing! as Eli Wolich said in The Good, The Bad and the Ugly "When you have to shoot, shoot dont talk".
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Kanazaka on June 04, 2010, 05:39:10 pm
BADASS!!  Way to go, Bern!  Nice "brick" edit, too  ;D.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Eonknight on June 04, 2010, 05:43:11 pm
Yeah, well, "bad" guys are stupid that way: Always yammering along about how magnificent they are and how flawless their plan is...  ::)

Well, I think the heroes pretty much won this battle, but the war is far from over, and I think Danzig is going to be back with a grudge. I think he makes a great villain.

And I agree with everyone, 9_6: your edit was kick a$$! ;D
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Azure Priest on June 05, 2010, 12:59:51 am
It definitely made me laugh so hard that my sides hurt. Well done.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: vintage on June 05, 2010, 01:27:11 am
9_6, your brick edit's as awesome as the actual page! XD
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: parameciumkid on June 07, 2010, 08:01:53 am
What everyone else said.
Also, @Brion/Intermission Maytag: I'd do a guest strip, but I imagine it would take me too long to do something not sucky and I'd lose my motivation. But the thought counts and I thought about it. :-\
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Abstract Vagabond on June 07, 2010, 01:29:29 pm
Fullmetal Jester.

Ok. :)
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: tbeean on June 07, 2010, 02:43:13 pm
i might attempt an intermission piece, but like parameciumkid said, it's going to take a while to do something that doesn't suck.  :P
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Kanazaka on June 07, 2010, 05:55:40 pm
Yeah, it's too bad that Maytag doesn't have a cyborg arm.  Maybe if it was steam-powered  :P?
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Zearth on June 07, 2010, 06:00:01 pm
Yeah, it's too bad that Maytag doesn't have a cyborg arm.  Maybe if it was steam-powered  :P?
maybe build in some sort of knife-thrower to make up for her inability to throw as many now?
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Wanderer on June 09, 2010, 07:09:41 pm
Now THIS is more like what I was talking about. Take off the fingers and he's not striking at you with anything.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Shay on June 09, 2010, 07:12:35 pm
Screw this, "just a child's technique" stuff. The Split Rose works and there's no need for Bern to change styles. Not when she can pull of stuff like that.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: charles on June 09, 2010, 07:43:01 pm
I'm trying to tell if the blood trail from his chest is just from her pulling out a sword, or if she also cut into his chest after removing the fingers.

...and what is it with Bern and fingers anyway?

I'm predicting that Escher might come to his aid here but things look pretty bad for Danzig.  I'm trying to work out of Bern is actually angry enough at his attempted rape to kill him... she does still hate killing... right?
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Zearth on June 09, 2010, 09:13:23 pm
as far as i remember, yeah
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Kiran on June 09, 2010, 11:13:44 pm
It seems she now consideres Danzig a monster kind of opponent who needs to be eliminated.
But it's strange, after Glyph 'death' she felt totally powerless but now her attitude changed quickly or indeed Glyph attack did to Danzig more than we see and he is slower, maybe some internal bleeding so Bern now just takes care of injured monster remowing all his claws.
But since Danzig is one of the people who created Mary and with that May los an arm, then Danzig attempted rape on Bern, 'killing' Glyph without any remorse or anything and telling he would do the same to Bern originally, that needs some retribution.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Alcapter on June 10, 2010, 03:19:17 am
well, i think she did that to be sure he doesn't cast any spell (for example we know that flame spell Ignis Torreo [or sth like that] comes out from the hand, so probably its not possible to cast if u dont have it). I doubt such a lawfull character as Bern would like to kill a human. Im sure she would rather prefer him rotting in jail or so.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: RoninAngel on June 10, 2010, 09:49:57 am
this girl deserves her revenge and danzig deserves to die.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: CrystalDragonSpaceMarine on June 10, 2010, 10:44:27 am
this girl deserves her revenge and danzig deserves to die.

You cold as ice, Ro-neezy.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Azure Priest on June 10, 2010, 02:06:30 pm
I'm trying to tell if the blood trail from his chest is just from her pulling out a sword, or if she also cut into his chest after removing the fingers.

...and what is it with Bern and fingers anyway?

I'm predicting that Escher might come to his aid here but things look pretty bad for Danzig.  I'm trying to work out of Bern is actually angry enough at his attempted rape to kill him... she does still hate killing... right?

When she says, "hands off," she MEANS it.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Alcapter on June 10, 2010, 02:27:33 pm
this girl deserves her revenge and danzig deserves to die.

In my opininion that guy isn't so evil, i think he believes in cause, in what he is doing, he probably believes (like Moss said) that Meltzer gives people the choice...
Im not saying he is not evil, cus he is, but he believes on what he's doing and in opposition to pure evil he doesnt enjoy killing. Anyway he got what he deserved. Personally im against killing him and doubt that Bern would do such a thing (situation similar to combat with Clairen when she had to cut off her arm, but when she did it then she was mad when Seraph killed her).
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Zearth on June 10, 2010, 03:39:03 pm
this girl deserves her revenge and danzig deserves to die.

In my opininion that guy isn't so evil, i think he believes in cause, in what he is doing, he probably believes (like Moss said) that Meltzer gives people the choice...
Im not saying he is not evil, cus he is, but he believes on what he's doing and in opposition to pure evil he doesnt enjoy killing. Anyway he got what he deserved. Personally im against killing him and doubt that Bern would do such a thing (situation similar to combat with Clairen when she had to cut off her arm, but when she did it then she was mad when Seraph killed her).
i agree with ronin, except i think he deserves to die. if you are to challenge someone for their lives (either death-wise or servitude) then you forfeit your own on the grounds of them beating you
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: 9_6 on June 10, 2010, 03:45:32 pm
In my opininion that guy isn't so evil, i think he believes in cause, in what he is doing, he probably believes (like Moss said) that Meltzer gives people the choice...
Im not saying he is not evil, cus he is, but he believes on what he's doing and in opposition to pure evil he doesnt enjoy killing.
"Evil" is such a cute word.
You know, hitler also believed in what he has done.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Zearth on June 10, 2010, 03:46:48 pm
In my opininion that guy isn't so evil, i think he believes in cause, in what he is doing, he probably believes (like Moss said) that Meltzer gives people the choice...
Im not saying he is not evil, cus he is, but he believes on what he's doing and in opposition to pure evil he doesnt enjoy killing.
"Evil" is such a cute word.
You know, hitler also believed in what he has done.
exactly my point. death is still deserved!
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Churba on June 10, 2010, 05:38:04 pm
i agree with ronin, except i think he deserves to die. if you are to challenge someone for their lives (either death-wise or servitude) then you forfeit your own on the grounds of them beating you
I don't think it's even that much. In Bern's situation, I'd say simply that he threatened the lives of me and mine, therefore, he's forfeited his own.

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You know, hitler also believed in what he has done.
Snappy dresser, too.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Andrea on June 11, 2010, 02:33:01 am
Danzing deserve to be killed just because of what he wears.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Churba on June 11, 2010, 02:35:26 am
Danzing deserve to be killed just because of what he wears.
I absolutely agree. Fuck that guy and his little vest thing.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: CrystalDragonSpaceMarine on June 11, 2010, 10:23:34 am
I don't know if she'll kill him when he's down, but he's definitely going to bleed to death without help.

My guess is Moss is going to want to grill him before he dies, though.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Oddball on June 11, 2010, 10:38:51 am
Would you lot all be this blood thirsty if he was wearing a smart three peice suit?
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Zearth on June 11, 2010, 10:47:08 am
yes because that is still overdressed and has a vest!
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Alcapter on June 11, 2010, 02:44:03 pm
In my opininion that guy isn't so evil, i think he believes in cause, in what he is doing, he probably believes (like Moss said) that Meltzer gives people the choice...
Im not saying he is not evil, cus he is, but he believes on what he's doing and in opposition to pure evil he doesnt enjoy killing.
"Evil" is such a cute word.
You know, hitler also believed in what he has done.

You got me there, anyway i'm sure Bern wont kill anyone is she relly doesnt have to.

Anyway back to the current page it looks like she is in trouble now, Escher aiming at her and casting probably very powerfull spell. Lets hope Suspira, Moss, Fata and Glyph will react fast enough to block it or something.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: vintage on June 11, 2010, 04:36:58 pm
Anyway back to the current page it looks like she is in trouble now, Escher aiming at her and casting probably very powerfull spell. Lets hope Suspira, Moss, Fata and Glyph will react fast enough to block it or something.

I was thinking this. There's a whole bunch of people standing around, I hope someone manages to do something and prevent him from casting something
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Shay on June 11, 2010, 05:25:49 pm
I'm not seeing the giant flower anymore. Therefore, couldn't any one of our multiple magic users strike Escher down now? Or, failing that, I'm assuming someone will leap in front of Bern as an act of self sacrifice. I'm thinking Glyph for some reason.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Kanazaka on June 11, 2010, 06:24:27 pm
Ah, friggin' Escher  >:(.  Just when the good guys thought that they had everything in hand.

And Shay, it's possible that Escher might know more spells (or other attacks) than just the flower.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Shay on June 11, 2010, 06:34:03 pm
So? As long as the flower isn't there, Suspiria, Glyph, Moss and Fata Morgana can do something. I don't see the flower. Therefore, no matter what attacks or spells he might know, I doubt it would be enough to stand up to those four combined.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Azure Priest on June 12, 2010, 04:27:58 am
The "flower" may be off screen (it manifests at his waist, and the shot is of his face and upper chest). It wouldn't surprise me if his attack uses all the essence he's already drained. Considering the last "meal" was a full powered Suspira, that could be quite a large amount.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Wanderer on June 13, 2010, 11:48:06 am
I don't think he can still attack while the flower is active without being drained himself. Not that I can prove that. But if it's true, that means it's time for a quick beat-down from the assorted nearby mages.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: charles on June 14, 2010, 03:48:31 am
He shouldn't be able to overpower the other 4 major sorcerers in the room. But if he surprises them there's no telling what he might accomplish before they could react.

Plus, I think someone noted that he may have other tricks.  For instance... Could there be a special trick he might be able to pull with the energy he saves up?  Whatever the case, I'm hoping Moss prepared them for this as well.  We already know he told them not to cast spells while Escher was using his flower power so... *shrug*
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Azure Priest on June 14, 2010, 12:43:03 pm
It's confirmed. The "flower" is gone, but Escher is maintaining the "plant" motif. He's sending a giant thorn straight for Bern's heart. He also did it so quickly that the 4 sorcerers in the room did not have time to react.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Kiran on June 14, 2010, 12:53:28 pm
A homing thorn spell into Bern's heart...
Glyph knows that she can't dodge it, all other people including him are too far or too slow to do anything...
I wonder if Bern can parry that thorn ray, or try at least to deflect it with swords so it would miss her heart, we don't see what May or Moss are doing.
Either way it's quite bad situation for Bern.
What if May would shield Bern with her body if she reacted faster than Glyph it could be possible.
Also maybe Bern could use Danzig as shield...
I can't wait for next page.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Zearth on June 14, 2010, 12:54:18 pm
since they are all too slow to react, it comes up to bernadette to have some sort of magical defense or for someone to jump in the way of the "thorn" heading towards her heart.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: akashayi on June 14, 2010, 01:30:47 pm
I get the feeling that May is going to come to the rescue.

All the cards are in place.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: charles on June 14, 2010, 02:52:35 pm
Glyph was the next closest to Bern and he can't make it in time.

Maytag has nothing to throw that I'm aware of.

hmmm.  I guess we could presume that Fata casts some illusion which misleads it but my real prediction...

ITS GONNA HIT BERN AND KILL HER!!!!

...Then they'll have to resurrect her (remembering that a hit to the chest allows for resurrection).
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Andrea on June 14, 2010, 10:18:21 pm
Glyph may take the hit himself. He could have said that he will be late to react with magic.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Alcapter on June 15, 2010, 12:18:41 am
Glyph may take the hit himself. He could have said that he will be late to react with magic.

i thought the same.

my guess is on Glyph taking hit on himself on some part of body like leg/hand or sth.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Zearth on June 15, 2010, 06:49:24 am
Glyph may take the hit himself. He could have said that he will be late to react with magic.

i thought the same.

my guess is on Glyph taking hit on himself on some part of body like leg/hand or sth.
Hes too much of a hero, he will probably take it in the chest and die
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: BeethroBudkin on June 15, 2010, 07:17:40 pm
I sense a reason for Maytag + company to go on a quest to find the thin man approaching.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: charles on June 16, 2010, 09:22:53 am
hmmm.  I guess we could presume that Fata casts some illusion which misleads it but my real prediction...

ITS GONNA HIT BERN AND KILL HER!!!!

...Then they'll have to resurrect her (remembering that a hit to the chest allows for resurrection).
Damn!  Then again. If healing magick works really quickly then I guess they could have her heart beating easily within a minute rather than wait until they can resurrect her.

...Maytag is gonna murder 'em.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Alcapter on June 16, 2010, 09:40:29 am
damn, u were right charles! Lets hope she can be healed/res'ed or is it bad ending of flipside ;)

btw my thought was nearly the same "How will May react?" in my opinion they are dead, dead as hell.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: UmberIsSexy on June 16, 2010, 09:41:52 am
I totally hate it when Bern dies! >:( >:(

At least Suspiria/Glyph should be f'ing up the opposition by next panel I hope.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Kiran on June 16, 2010, 09:42:49 am
Is it really possible to ressurect people?
Suspiria boyfriend stayed dead after all :(
Now we can assume that Danzig will tell May he can save Bern quickly if she will agree to become an experiment of the Thin Man and will go willingly with Bern to his laboratory, or maybe Suspiria will be able to heal her even if it could be only temporary and Bern will need new heart or something, without limbs you can live without heart not.
So maybe they will need a trip to that city finally.
If the best character of Flipside comic which I admire would be dead for real then just I would be very sad.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: charles on June 16, 2010, 09:59:38 am
They can't repair damage to the brain and Kinn's head was turned into mush.  But with Bern, we simply have damage to the heart, so resurrection is possible provided they either preserve the body until they can do it, or they do it before decay really starts to set in.

As before, if they can heal her quick enough, that might also do the trick since they'd be repairing hear heart before the blood loss to her brain persisted for too long.

Glyph and Suspira are both high-level sorcerers, Although Glyph is injured and we've seen before that injury appears to also drain spirit essence and Suspira might not have the knowledge to perform a resurrection. I suspect it'll be preservation of the body until they get to Eschelon (which will be a couple more days away unless Moss has some special short-cut).

Still thinking that Maytag might loose it and use that magick sword to cut them up.  She was holding it from memory, but maybe she'll just drop in grief.  Hard to say as she was fairly well collected when Bern was last dying until she found out a resurrection wasn't possible.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Alcapter on June 16, 2010, 11:27:14 am
yes, resurrection IS possible, look here at book zero:
http://www.flipsidecomics.com/comic/book0/fs15pg03.html

Seraph after deadly stab in cheast was resurrected.

Bern was hitted in heart so its possible to res her (probably - if the hit isnt some kind of freakish magic spell that makes it u cant be res'ed)
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Kiran on June 16, 2010, 11:42:23 am
Ah, I forgot about that scene.
Thanks for reminder.
Now May chopping that slave guy head off with Bern's sword would be a nice development :-*
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: 9_6 on June 16, 2010, 01:33:32 pm
Bern is missing her sword(s).
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Alcapter on June 16, 2010, 02:37:16 pm
Bern is missing her sword(s).
hmm, i think she dropped them when hitted thats why she doesnt have anything in her hands
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Xshu on June 16, 2010, 03:05:18 pm
Well she's not dead yet. She'll be alive for a few seconds, and Suspiria is right there to heal her.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Zearth on June 16, 2010, 03:50:28 pm
Well she's not dead yet. She'll be alive for a few seconds, and Suspiria is right there to heal her.
not to mention its not said that the thorns are deadly. it could be a source of spiritual power where he uses her life to try to bargain with the others and it can be used to kill in a few split seconds
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Azure Priest on June 17, 2010, 05:21:23 am
We're assuming the thorn can be removed. Considering all those spikes on the side, I don't think that will be easy.

Also, in the case of Mary's victims, they couldn't be raised because the poison continues to eat away at the body even after death, leaving nothing TO raise.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: 9_6 on June 17, 2010, 10:44:26 am
Bern is missing her sword(s).
hmm, i think she dropped them when hitted thats why she doesnt have anything in her hands
I know, it still looks kinda odd.
Maybe it's the pose, a tad too straight for someone who just jumped to the side.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Kiran on June 18, 2010, 12:37:24 pm
I'm kind of relieved :D

Still I totally forgot that Fata could create instant illusions and mess a bit Escher plan.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Azure Priest on June 18, 2010, 02:33:55 pm
While I'm glad that Fata's illusion saved Bern, I doubt that was her intention.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Xshu on June 18, 2010, 06:17:20 pm
What other intention could there be?
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: charles on June 19, 2010, 01:38:31 am
DAMN YOU BRION! Always one step ahead of our predictions! *LOL*

Escher and Danzig are truly screwed now the surprise round is over.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: tbeean on June 19, 2010, 09:43:53 am
when i read the page, i was like, wait, what? xD

that's pretty impressive on fata's part.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Azure Priest on June 21, 2010, 06:41:52 am
What other intention could there be?

I can think of a few. Just off the top of my head....

1.) Merely an intellectual experiment on the true efficacy of her illusions.

2.) A field test of a projection in a combat situation.

3.) Reassurance that her "illusions are perfect" and May saw through them earlier for some other reason.

There are many more reasons that are totally selfish. Still it was a wise decision to try it now. If it works (and it did), Fata gets to be a hero. If it fails, Fata loses nothing, as Bern isn't really "a friend" and Fata has no attachment to her. Plus it was an honest "best effort" so failure wouldn't have meant offending her current group of associates, and Escher would still be trying to kill/subdue her in any event.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: charles on June 22, 2010, 02:55:51 am
I'm surprised they've left these two guys awake and ungaged, although Escher appears capable of casting silently so presuming Danzig's a caster I'd say he's just as capable.

I'm sure the group is more powerful than them but it only takes some unexpected, surprise attack and they're down another member.

Half wondering if Moss will actually kill these two.  Heck, I guess the Phalanx members should actually be looking to take these two in... or execute them if their authority and procedures go that far :-\
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Wanderer on June 22, 2010, 03:05:59 am
Dammit, he's smiling again. Someone RIP HIS FREAKING JAW OFF so he'll stop. Please.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Azure Priest on June 22, 2010, 05:01:06 am
Fata's solid illusion services: 2000 gold (or certain amounts of the Thin Man's research)

Moss' loyalty: High tolerance for vulgarity and verbal abuse (as well as rare research/ artifacts).

Crest's sarcasm: Priceless. For everything else there's Maytag.

She's everywhere you want to be.

Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: SparcMan on June 22, 2010, 06:28:00 am
Fata's solid illusion services: 2000 gold (or certain amounts of the Thin Man's research)

Moss' loyalty: High tolerance for vulgarity and verbal abuse (as well as rare research/ artifacts).

Crest's sarcasm: Priceless. For everything else there's Maytag.

She's everywhere you want to be.



ROFL! I was going to comment on Crest in today's page, but there's no way I can top this.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Alcapter on June 22, 2010, 10:14:09 am
"postponded", heh, Danzig although wounded and lost in battle still have balls :)
dunno why but i kind of like that villain :P
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: wodan46 on June 22, 2010, 02:28:31 pm
The smart thing to do now would be crush their heads into powder.  They are either willfully associating with the Thin Man and thus a complete monster, or they've been brainwashed, which based on what we've heard, makes them irreparably lobotomized by the standards of the setting.  Both of them are extremely dangerous, and there is no way to turn them over to the authorities that wouldn't require going through Melter, the Thin Man, and god knows what else.

They'll probably just use the sleeping powder on them, which they could easily be lying about to some degree.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: charles on June 23, 2010, 08:51:15 pm
Nice guess on the sleeping powder.

But why the heck didn't they use a portal earlier rather than risk their lives? *shrug*  I guess the Phalanx felt it was their duty to capture/eliminate them or something.

...So they're just going to leave the carriage parked there? *LOL*
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Azure Priest on June 24, 2010, 05:20:18 am
I'm guessing that Glyph "borrowed" that portal from the bath, and to prevent magical interference in redirecting the location back to Phalanx HQ had to either capture and kill Escher and Danzig or get out of the warp box.

The carriage isn't the only loose end here, we haven't seen Melter leave yet. I especially like the way Suspira shared all our sentiments by requesting Danzig's smile be forcibly removed.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: BeethroBudkin on June 24, 2010, 08:35:07 am
Looks like Glyph found a scroll of town portal. Dont know why they didnt use that to begin with, oh well.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: tbeean on June 24, 2010, 01:56:49 pm
i love moss. :')
'oh merry band of travellers'  :P
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: akashayi on June 25, 2010, 03:07:57 am
i love moss. :')
'oh merry band of travellers'  :P

Very, very this ;P
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Azure Priest on June 25, 2010, 05:06:16 am
Looks like Glyph found a scroll of town portal. Dont know why they didnt use that to begin with, oh well.

It IS just a guess, but I speculated why directly to Charles' post on the previous page. I'm guessing it had to do with concerns about interference from Danzig. Now that they're presumed unconscious, Glyph apparently thinks it's safe to use.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Zearth on June 25, 2010, 09:39:32 am
i love moss. :')
'oh merry band of travellers'  :P

Very, very this ;P
agreed xD
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: akashayi on June 25, 2010, 11:47:06 am
Man, I need to get myself a portable portal. [port² ?]
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Wanderer on June 26, 2010, 07:17:33 pm
Something about this page seems vaguely suspicious.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Kiran on June 27, 2010, 01:04:17 am
Well Bern seems to be on something, maybe Glyph unnatural behaviour, or the mention of why Glyph took the carriage, just to spy on their female passengers in nude in reality :P
Or Glyph just covered on Bern anti-magic phobia of portals.
Glyph had the portal in the carriage for whole time, so how he got it here now if whole warp box is cut off from outside world.
And isn't this the same portal where Bern and May were imprisoned?
I wonder if Danzig becoming unconcious could still take over Glyph body with his mind.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Alcapter on June 27, 2010, 03:55:56 am
hmm, didnt notice at start but it is a bit suspecious.
Maybe its Meltzer who took control of Glyphs body? Or maybe its just Glyph...
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Azure Priest on June 27, 2010, 09:21:15 am
And a giant disembodied voice cries out.... JERKASS COMBAT!
                                                                GLYPH vs MOSS
                                                                     FIGHT
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Andrea on June 27, 2010, 10:14:17 am
Glyph is either the Tin Man or that guy that works for him!  :'(
Title: Curmudgeonry
Post by: anuran on June 27, 2010, 07:23:14 pm
Not just a Chapter 25 discussion but it applies here, too.

One sign of bad writing is a reliance stupidity or inexplicable, unrealistic actions to move the plot along. This often comes out in fighting. Consider the following all-too-common scenario. Someone is in a fight for his life. If he doesn't end the threat he and innocents he is protecting will die. As long as the Bad Guys are vertical they are threats. Our Hero is a soldier, duelist or warrior. He gets in a decent shot. One of the enemies is hurt but still standing. The authorities are far, far away if they even exist.

What would a marginally sensible person with years of experience in fights do?

A) Finish off Bad Guy 1.
B) Move on to Bad Guy 2 and come back to Bad Guy 1 at a tactically advantageous moment.
C) Back off, wave a weapon around, strike a pose and trade three or four expository lumps giving all the Bad Guys a chance to regroup and kill you.

Unfortunately, a lot of authors including Brion go for "C". It draws things out and gives a few more hair-raising escapades. But it's as false as a salesman's smile and doesn't make any kind of sense to anyone who's been in a fight, let alone a fight for one's life.

Yes, I know Bern has a Heroic Code. She's also supposed to be reasonably bright and value the lives of people under her protection. This fight and several others fail that all-important sniff test. Even worse, she gives away valuable information about how she fights while her (dangerous, deadly) opponent gets his wind back.

Meanwhile the rest of the Good Guys are standing around with their thumbs up their bums. Even More Dangerous Bad Guy #2 is doing whatever it is that he does. Nobody yells "Booga! Booga! Booga!" at him while someone else taps him on the pimple with a something heavy. Nobody sticks a knife into him. They just wait for him to pull a dragon out of his hat and act shocked when he does.

Maybe it's one of the conventions of the medium. This sort of thing has happened a few times. It still makes no sense and is a weakness in an otherwise fine comic.
Title: Another related peeve
Post by: anuran on June 27, 2010, 07:26:30 pm
Pointing a weapon at someone and yelling "Freeze!" then waiting around with a smile on one's face. The Magic Plot Fairy will not wave her wand and make everything better at that point. One has just given up the advantage of surprise and has to take control of the situation with the understanding that any disobedience must be met with deadly force.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Brion Foulke on June 27, 2010, 08:29:12 pm
Anuran, your criticisms don't really make sense to me.  It seems like you're saying that you believe Bernadette should kill Danzig outright, in cold blood.  Yes, she has people to protect, but right now her enemy's attention is on her.  Do you *really* think that Bernadette's most in-character action here is to kill Danzig? 

Also, you say that "the rest of the Good Guys are standing around."  As a writer, I often find that people react in a way I didn't intend.  When I envisioned this scene in my head, I figured it was only natural that if sorcery can't be used, the sorcerers who aren't experienced fighters would just stand around.  I really didn't expect anyone to question that, but they did.  So I included an extra page of exposition specifically saying why they couldn't do anything.  http://www.flipsidecomics.com/comic.php?i=965 (http://www.flipsidecomics.com/comic.php?i=965)  And yet, some people still questioned why everyone was just "standing around."  I guess some people who've seen that in too many anime/comic books are just allergic to that concept and very quick to point it out, even if it makes sense.

Actually if you think about it, I think it's very realisitic to have people stand around and watch a fight.  It's human nature to watch something exciting.  What's unrealistic is for something exciting to happen and a character ignores it, like when dudes walk away from explosions in movies:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sqz5dbs5zmo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sqz5dbs5zmo)

Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Eonknight on June 27, 2010, 08:36:50 pm
Not just a Chapter 25 discussion but it applies here, too.

One sign of bad writing is a reliance stupidity or inexplicable, unrealistic actions to move the plot along. This often comes out in fighting. Consider the following all-too-common scenario. Someone is in a fight for his life. If he doesn't end the threat he and innocents he is protecting will die. As long as the Bad Guys are vertical they are threats. Our Hero is a soldier, duelist or warrior. He gets in a decent shot. One of the enemies is hurt but still standing. The authorities are far, far away if they even exist.

What would a marginally sensible person with years of experience in fights do?

A) Finish off Bad Guy 1.
B) Move on to Bad Guy 2 and come back to Bad Guy 1 at a tactically advantageous moment.
C) Back off, wave a weapon around, strike a pose and trade three or four expository lumps giving all the Bad Guys a chance to regroup and kill you.

Unfortunately, a lot of authors including Brion go for "C". It draws things out and gives a few more hair-raising escapades. But it's as false as a salesman's smile and doesn't make any kind of sense to anyone who's been in a fight, let alone a fight for one's life.

Yes, I know Bern has a Heroic Code. She's also supposed to be reasonably bright and value the lives of people under her protection. This fight and several others fail that all-important sniff test. Even worse, she gives away valuable information about how she fights while her (dangerous, deadly) opponent gets his wind back.

Meanwhile the rest of the Good Guys are standing around with their thumbs up their bums. Even More Dangerous Bad Guy #2 is doing whatever it is that he does. Nobody yells "Booga! Booga! Booga!" at him while someone else taps him on the pimple with a something heavy. Nobody sticks a knife into him. They just wait for him to pull a dragon out of his hat and act shocked when he does.

Maybe it's one of the conventions of the medium. This sort of thing has happened a few times. It still makes no sense and is a weakness in an otherwise fine comic.
Pointing a weapon at someone and yelling "Freeze!" then waiting around with a smile on one's face. The Magic Plot Fairy will not wave her wand and make everything better at that point. One has just given up the advantage of surprise and has to take control of the situation with the understanding that any disobedience must be met with deadly force.

Anuran, name one book/comic/movie/series/videogame (that is not a historic documentary) that features "realistic" fights. Heck, show me a martial arts competition that realistically unfolds like a real-life fight (yes, Ultimate fighter-type competitions included).

My point is that you are reading a story. Moreover, it's a FANTASY story. NOTHING about this story is "realistic" or sometimes even conceivable. It's not a sign of bad writing per se; it's a technique called "suspension of disbelief". And you forget that those seemingly "stupid or inexplicable" actions are more often than not plot devices and have a perfectly reasonable explanation that comes later.

I'm sorry if it doesn't work for you, but this is not "an otherwise fine comic". This is a fine comic in it's own right. You just happen to be annoyed by some aspects of the story. Now, your comments about how unrealistic fights generally are in fictive stories are absolutely true. But I read these stories to "escape reality", to a certain degree. I want the bad guys to be incommensurately stupid and unveil his plan to the hero before killing him; I want the fights to last 25 minutes. I want the heroes and heroines to be brave, intelligent, resourceful, beautiful. I want the good guys to win.

I am sorry this aspect keeps you from enjoying the story as a whole. Maybe a pulp novel would be more up your alley; they generally stick a little better to realism. Either way, happy reading.  :)
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Brion Foulke on June 27, 2010, 08:56:05 pm
Eonknight, I appreciate you defending me, but I think you missed Anuran's point.  Yes, the fights are not completely "realistic" in the sense that they are stylized and even normal people like Bern can do feats that real people can't do.  But this the type of realism that Anuran is talking about... or maybe it would be better to say that realism is the wrong word, what he's essentially criticizing is my character writing.  That's sort of like a different type of realism, where we say "is it realistic for character X to do this given their character", which IS very important even to a fantasy story. 

I think that if I have a certain character behave a certain way merely for plot purposes, even when it seems out of character, then that is a valid criticism.  However, in my defense, I honestly don't think that happens, and I don't really get where Anuran is coming from.  I think that given the circumstances, it makes perfect sense for everyone who's not a fighter to stand around and watch one of the two fighters tackle the problem.  And I also think it would be out of character for Bernadette to kill someone in cold blood, given these circumstances; hey, I may be the writer and I suppose I get to decide what's "in character," but you can always look at my character's behavior in the past and cite contradictions.  If you can find an example of Bernadette killing someone in cold blood, or at all, please let me know...

Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Sidralma on June 28, 2010, 12:38:15 am
I'm really sorry this recent story arc in particular seems to have struck a sour chord with you, Anuran. Personally, I liked it and thought it was well written. Clearly I can see that you would have preferred it had been written differently. But I enjoyed the way it is. To each his own I guess...
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: 9_6 on June 28, 2010, 05:58:05 am
Eonknight, I appreciate you defending me, but I think you missed Anuran's point.  Yes, the fights are not completely "realistic" in the sense that they are stylized and even normal people like Bern can do feats that real people can't do.  But this the type of realism that Anuran is talking about... or maybe it would be better to say that realism is the wrong word, what he's essentially criticizing is my character writing.  That's sort of like a different type of realism, where we say "is it realistic for character X to do this given their character", which IS very important even to a fantasy story. 

I think that if I have a certain character behave a certain way merely for plot purposes, even when it seems out of character, then that is a valid criticism.  However, in my defense, I honestly don't think that happens, and I don't really get where Anuran is coming from.  I think that given the circumstances, it makes perfect sense for everyone who's not a fighter to stand around and watch one of the two fighters tackle the problem.  And I also think it would be out of character for Bernadette to kill someone in cold blood, given these circumstances; hey, I may be the writer and I suppose I get to decide what's "in character," but you can always look at my character's behavior in the past and cite contradictions.  If you can find an example of Bernadette killing someone in cold blood, or at all, please let me know...
Bern has never fought an enemy on par to her level (because she is -or more like has been- basically unbeatable) in a fight of life and death before up until bloody mary to whom she wasn't exactly gentle...
There are no references to such a situation.

Also it's not the fact that everyone stands back and does nothing, it's how they do it.
There's no sign of tension in their poses, they literally just stand around.
If there was someone with an extendable stick fumbling around -or you might as well replace that with a gun a person shoots wildly, it's ranged and so fast, you can't predict it-, what position would you take if you don't want to fight the shooter?
Would you stand upright or would move to cover with your head down or at least go into a crouched position so you can jump away if the gun points at you/make it less likely to get shot due to your lower profile?
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Azure Priest on June 28, 2010, 06:45:51 am
I have experience with Anuran (or someone using that handle) from Keenspot. This person seemingly gets enjoyment from nit-picking the story elements or character's action(s) in any given circumstance. In one instance, a powerful archmage has mortally crippled an enemy necromancer who is AT BEST mentally unbalanced, but has consistently done actions considered evil by EVERYONE's standards (including the church of SATAN). This enemy is also guilty of nearly killing the archmage's husband and three children, as well as assisting an infernomancer breach the spell wards of the town where she teaches magic resulting in the death of several students whose souls get snatched (against their will) into her cult's "ultimate weapon" known as the "Storm of souls" and Anuran gripes that this archmage of the fifth circle stands and gloats over her defeated foe explaining in precise detail exactly how, why, and with method her long deserved death will be delivered before blasting her with specially altered healing magic so that this death is both permanent and painful. Personally speaking, I'd find it difficult NOT to gloat in such a circumstance.

As for this battle, I found the fight both realistic and in character for everyone. Everyone is not panicking (which does far more harm than good and is the USUAL response) because they all have extensive battle experience and they are standing loosely because going into a "crouched" position as Bern painfully showed allows for no dodging ability and very limited parrying ability. As for "why didn't someone run up to Escher with a stick, knife, etc.," I can tell you that who ever had done so would have gotten the full force of the "lightning stick" because Danzig maybe crazy, but he's not stupid. He knows that if Escher went down, the full force of 4 sorcerers would be focused on him. So yeah, aside from having Bern go for "the kill shot" right away (which would have been a colossal failure considering how easily Danzig was slapping her around), I really don't understand Anuran's critique.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Brion Foulke on June 28, 2010, 10:14:38 am
9_6, perhaps I drew them looking too relaxed in some panel or another.  I'm not really sure.  But I'm not necessarily sure it's realistic for them to all "crouch down" or whatever... do people do that if someone is waving a gun around?  Perhaps, if it's a crazy person... but in a situation with a cold-blooded killer I think a more likely response is to freeze up and hope to not draw attention to themselves.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: charles on June 28, 2010, 11:10:39 pm
I guess the on-lookers did seem kind of relaxed during the whole thing, but I'm a little uncertain how they could have been made to look concerned.  Whenever Bern was blasted back and such, Most of them seemed to gasp and raise their arms as if they were about to run to assist but froze in uncertainty about risking their lives.  I don't think Moss or Fata ever did this but thats expected.

Bern didn't really waste time. She attacked straight after Danzig made it clear he wasn't going to willingly let them leave, got pounded back and then made another attack once she realised Maytag was safe.  After that she knew she couldn't get past his enchanted weapon and made an attempt with the anti-magick blade only to discover it didn't work.

Danzig played around with them a lot when he could have easily killed them all with the lightning ability, but the reason for this is obvious.  He wanted to let them try everything and convince them the situation was hopeless so he could recapture them rather than kill them all.

Glyph left to put on the gloves and activate his "scouter" then returned and dispelled Danzig's "stick" before discovering that even in a non-enchanted fight he couldn't overcome Danzig.  Then Bern stepped in and easily defeated him.

We could argue that both Bern and Glyph should have attacked Danzig together, but fighters who haven't fought together before can end up getting in each other's way and hampering each other more than they assist.  Particularly against an experienced fighter such as Danzig who could use this to his advantage.  In the end, it gave Bern a chance to see Danzig in action without the enchantments, so she could face him alone with confidence that he was no longer any match for her.

As for Escher, he was pretty much background furniture with his silence and lack of movement until Danzig lost to Bern.  Then he launched a surprise attack which caught most of them off guard. However one of the others WAS paying attention to him and stopped him in time (read: Fata).

Well. Thats book 5 done.  I guess there might be a side story or something to write before it goes to print/pre-order but I like how it ended on Crest himself realising how useless he's been most of the time compared to everyone else.  Hopefully it'll drive him in the next book to find a way that he can contribute better in the future.  Sure he's been there to advise/direct some of the others but Maytag also has that role and is usually better at it when she's available.  Heck, she came up with the human pillar theory while crest only had them as far as all attacking at once.

I'd seriously love to see him with a shield since his role as a self-sacrificing human shield for others keeps coming up.

P.S. Will Maytag get her bag of tricks back?
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Kiran on June 29, 2010, 12:59:12 am
Hopefully it'll drive him in the next book to find a way that he can contribute better in the future.
I too hope so, like he will become a proper kinght with sword and shield, but then he could not stay with Bern and May anymore, cause Bern specialise in two weapon or rather sword fighting, I doubt Bern could teach him a proper way of fighting in sword/shield tactic.
I wonder if our group will stay like that, Glyph and Suspiria for sure will return to their organisation, Bern and May have their own priorities(second sword and May arm), Moss and Fata don't have a reason to stay with them anymore when they will get out of this warp box, and Crest as always will just tag along with someone.
So we will have finally second sword of Bern's father story starting plus May recovering her arm next?
Also did they put Danzig with that second guy into that portal and locked them inside?
If yes then Glyph and Suspiria could just take them to Conclave and deal with them there, I miss Miss Bondage Face already ;)
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: charles on June 29, 2010, 01:30:58 am
Bern is/was an arms instructor.  I'd say she's trained in, aware of and able to teach many different styles with many different weapons and combinations.  Although looking back at her training class in Book0 I can certainly see only swords available for use by the students.

The Split Rose is her personal perferred style that she's perfected for her own capabilities and the primary style she uses in combat, but it wouldn't surprise me if she could use another style that she's aware of, or even other weapons, with a lesser degree of finness.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Azure Priest on June 29, 2010, 05:24:20 am
Aww, poor Crest. He's seriously UNDERestimating himself. He DOES have a good head on his shoulders. If it wasn't for him, Suspira might still be in the "endless" staircase going totally nuts, and falling into a pit of despair. While Glyph is apparently a good Sorcerer / martial artist, and Bern is an adept swordsman(woman), Crest has the rogue skill set, but unlike Maytag can engage in SOME melee. If there had been some way that he could sneak around and get behind Escher or Danzig, he would have been VERY useful. Maytag would not even have had the "human pillar" strategy if not for him. It's not a lack of effort that he's missing. It's a lack of practical experience. Playing (and cheating) in poker games against a local street gang and engaging in petit theft is not exactly the same as combat experience or the adventuring he's currently engaged in.

Edit: Glyph's starting to grow on me, he's got a great sense of humor. And Bern's last line was classic. "Keep being on your best behavior and I might consider TOLERATING you."

Glyph:" Awww." Now that means, he knows how to PLAY.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: anuran on June 29, 2010, 09:20:10 am
Azure Priest, I'm not sure who you're talking about on the Keenspot. It's someone else.

EonKnight, name one book or comic that is realistic? The entire Rain series, anything by Steve Barnes or Steve Perry, Child of Fire, C. J. Cherryh's Paladin,  if you want a vaguely Japanese one, Paul Zimmer and his sister Marion Zimmer Bradley, Poul Anderson and Brian Azzarello to start with. It doesn't have to be photorealistic gore-porn. There can be Hong Kong wires, magic spells and fifty pound broadswords. I just find it jarring when it violates the basic emotional logic of someone fighting for her life.

Brion, I'll approach it from a different angle. These sorts of stops in the action are an easy way to keep the action going when it would come to an abrupt end.

I can certainly understand Bad Guy With a Stick acting the way he does. He thinks he's unbeatable and doesn't have to take it seriously. And since he's getting a lot of emotional satisfaction out of lording it over the frightened sheep it's in character. Beat 'em up. Gloat. Take your time and enjoy it.

What doesn't make sense is Bern. She's a professional fighter. She believes the only way she and people under her protection will survive is by stopping the Bad Guys. She's already been pretty badly banged up. It doesn't make sense that she'd get in one good shot which doesn't end the fight and then trade a little repartee, stop, strike a pose point her sword at BGWaS and wait to see what happens next.

Take an analogy near to your heart. Imagine the scene around a poker table. All the players are professionals. Some of them have WSOP bracelets. The cards are dealt. Some smile. One groans. The rest turn a little pale.

Even if it's "just" a comic book wouldn't it jar you a little?

It's not just this fight in Flipside, and it's not just you. It's endemic in the genre, a first cousin to Somewhere a Dog Barked (http://www.slate.com/id/2256007).
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Brion Foulke on June 29, 2010, 09:36:18 am
It doesn't make sense that she'd get in one good shot which doesn't end the fight

Is this actually true?

Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: akashayi on June 29, 2010, 12:44:17 pm
Doesn't end the fight? I'm surprised Danzig was so put together afterwards. He wasn't just stabbed in the shoulder, after being impaled he was sliced open down his side and  half his hand was sliced off. Something that would normally be ridiculously painful and bleeding profusely. I could see him still fighting with a knife stuck into him (or if he was korean: many, many knives stuck into him) but that was a pretty debilitating shot... hand missing and all. It wasn't merely a flesh wound. They don't have hit points. Weapons are deadly and can only take one good shot to kill someone outright. Not saying this comic is 100% realistic. But neither is an enchanted staff or a thorny tentacle stabby...thing.


Anyway. Aw, emo crest blending into the background like that. Being unnoticeable is a useful skill, it's ok. *patpat* I just want to give him a hug. Though Azure is right, he did solve that problem with Suspiria. He just needs more... courage.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Kanazaka on June 29, 2010, 03:00:18 pm
Yeah, poor Crest  :(.  Hopefully he becomes more powerful someday, and thereby becomes more confident in himself.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: charles on June 29, 2010, 07:23:56 pm
EonKnight, name one book or comic that is realistic? The entire Rain series, anything by Steve Barnes or Steve Perry, Child of Fire, C. J. Cherryh's Paladin,  if you want a vaguely Japanese one, Paul Zimmer and his sister Marion Zimmer Bradley, Poul Anderson and Brian Azzarello to start with. It doesn't have to be photorealistic gore-porn. There can be Hong Kong wires, magic spells and fifty pound broadswords. I just find it jarring when it violates the basic emotional logic of someone fighting for her life.
Always difficult to judge how people will react in real life.  Its like watching a boxing match and seeing a professional boxer get hit.  Your thinking to yourself "why didn't he duck/block" but just because he's a professional doesn't mean that logic and skill will show up every time.  They'll make mistakes or get caught with a moment of indecision and thats it.  You see someone burning alive in a fire.  Some people will instantly conclude they can't get them out, some will freeze with indecision and others will run in there without thinking it through and end up burning alive as well.

I can certainly understand Bad Guy With a Stick acting the way he does. He thinks he's unbeatable and doesn't have to take it seriously. And since he's getting a lot of emotional satisfaction out of lording it over the frightened sheep it's in character. Beat 'em up. Gloat. Take your time and enjoy it.
This also makes sense since he wanted to recapture them rather than kill them all. His plan was to let them try everything and arrive at the conclusion that it was impossible to get past him. Then they'd take the sleeping powder.  Unfortunately he underestimated them or overestimated his own capabilities.

What doesn't make sense is Bern. She's a professional fighter. She believes the only way she and people under her protection will survive is by stopping the Bad Guys. She's already been pretty badly banged up. It doesn't make sense that she'd get in one good shot which doesn't end the fight and then trade a little repartee, stop, strike a pose point her sword at BGWaS and wait to see what happens next.
As discussed. Bern, while a professional, is very adverse to killing.  In her first battle with Bloody Mary, she disarmed her and held her at sword point where Mary was too far away to attack her unarmed but easy enough to attack if need be. Unfortunately she discovered that Mary wasn't nearly as easy to kill.  In her second battle with Mary, she disarmed her and caused the girl to become agitated and more sloppy with her attacks.  She then went for the kill shot by trying to stab through her eyes and into her brain but discovered her skull was protected. Her next strategy was to cut off her head but then Mary pulled the fear demon out and escaped once she'd overcome her anger.

With Danzig, she put a sword through his shoulder, cut off his fingers, kicked his weapon out of his reach and held him at sword point while he dropped from his wounds.  There was no evidence that he could pose any further threat, and indeed he didn't.

One could argue that she should have immediately killed him and moved straight onto Escher, but in reality (or the fictional reality of Flipside) Bern is very adverse to killing so its understandable that she might hesitate to perform such an action or even to consider it.

Take an analogy near to your heart. Imagine the scene around a poker table. All the players are professionals. Some of them have WSOP bracelets. The cards are dealt. Some smile. One groans. The rest turn a little pale.

Even if it's "just" a comic book wouldn't it jar you a little?
Certainly unlikely but as with the boxing analogy, possible since any professional can loose their "game" for a moment.  (Heck, the pros will sometimes do this on purpose to send false signals but ignoring details like that I understand the comparison you're trying to make).

A good part of Bern's character is that she's a SERIOUSLY skilled and professional swordswoman and highly prone to protect the people she cares about, but its also obvious that she avoids killing whenever possible.  I could imagine her killing Danzig if he still had his magick weapon, but once he lost it and showed his skills on Glyph she correctly judged him (with her professional skills) as no longer a match for her and not life threatening enough to require her to go for a kill shot as opposed to disarming/disabling attacks.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Wanderer on June 30, 2010, 02:59:27 pm
Actually, Glyph, we already figured you were an evil jerk back when you were using your eyepiece to peak at the girls naked, so no need to worry! The potion of possession didn't change our opinion of you much at all. :P
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: charles on June 30, 2010, 05:23:02 pm
Glyph's roll for sense motive = FAIL!

I think he strikes me as the type of person who is always complementing people.  He did this with Crest as well, early on.  While he's obviously a perv, I think he's just one of those guys who will tell everyone else how great and awesome they are and just play up a situation positively.

Maybe he's like Maytag and wants to be friends with everyone *shrug*
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Kiran on June 30, 2010, 09:48:04 pm
May and Bern got into so many troubles as one person wouldn't get in whole lifetime, Suspiria got her dose too, and even Glyph got something in terms of possible unwanted rape of girls he just met who he saw promising each other love and loyality (I so hope that was his reason for that outburst earlier than pervy one where he would tell in such situation he would like to take action himself) and he might've been electrocuted to death.
And Crest is well boring for mer, an emo guy who gives some remarks, and that's all.
I would like to see him being injured, cut, possibly raped (well a bunch of women takes him hostage and rapes him and taking his pesky virginity or something), and all these similiar things which happen to our two main heroines, since he is a main hero of this story too so he needs some attention 'like that' from author!

Also Glyph and his sandwiches...
If he won't make any move on Bern and May he can stay in our adventure group and I can tolerate him for now :P
I want something happen to Crest...
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: charles on July 02, 2010, 06:36:15 pm
And Crest is well boring for mer, an emo guy who gives some remarks, and that's all.
I would like to see him being injured, cut, possibly raped

 :'(
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Kiran on July 03, 2010, 08:29:28 am
Well I just hope he too will get some action like Bern and May got so far in this comic at some point ;)

Also from newest intermission, bricks only look good in Bern's hands :D
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Andrea on July 03, 2010, 07:45:57 pm
I don't understand all the hate toward Glyph. I think he's a cool character, he's so simple and "regular" that you can associate with him easier than any other char.

Did you ever see BubbleGum Crisis? (Either the old OVAs or the TV series?)
My favorite char there was Lynna, but the majority of the fans hated that character, for the very reason that she was "boring", because she was the only "normal, regular girl" in the team.

Celia was mysterious, rich, intelligent, was involved with the boomer stuff etc...
Priss was your Bernadette, really, same traits.
Nene was the nerdy chick stereotype with super strong unmatchable computer skills

and Linna? In the OVAs she was just a gym teacher with no particular skills, worrying more about the income to pay the bills and not caring about Nene's romantic dreams. In the series she was the less strong of the team, getting involved as the last one and she was working for Genom as a lower employer.

Sorry for the big OT, yeah, I totally loved BGC. And I love Flipside. And Glyph rocks! (Altough I hope nothing happened in that house and that he's still him and no tin man or tin man minion)
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: 9_6 on July 03, 2010, 08:06:41 pm
How is glyph "regular"?
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: charles on July 04, 2010, 04:58:20 am
Pretty much every character Brion has put into Flipside has some sort of flaw and its usually a flaw which makes certain people dislike the character despite other qualities they might have.

Glyph showed his flaw as a pervert pretty early on.  Sure he's since risked his life, taken some beatings, given other characters praise and done some very cute cowering... But first impressions last and his first impression pretty much hit on his flaw immediately.
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: akashayi on July 05, 2010, 11:31:10 am
man, I could go for an illusion sandwich about now
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: Oddball on July 05, 2010, 11:47:15 am
Where magick and swords fail you can always depend on Brick-Fu  ;D
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: charles on July 05, 2010, 07:16:17 pm
I wonder what it would taste like.

I mean, can Fata's illusions also simulate taste?

Illusion Sandwich Weight Loss Solutions tm
Title: Re: Chapter 25: Discussion
Post by: ludo on July 20, 2010, 11:52:49 pm
It would be a poor illusion if it has no taste.

Also, the idea of taste is subjective. Fata Morgana is tricking the brain to make him believe he's eating the most wonderful sandwich. She didn't create the taste, she just tell the brain that the sandwich have a taste.

- - -

After much reflexion, I found that chapter okay. It's like sangoku and vegeta fighting : they love to just don't move and keep watching each other.
But, also, there are a lot of things I do not understand and other things suspect. In a castle of illusion, nothing is true. But the mistress of illusions can wipe them away.

Man, it's a mini-matrix !