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Title: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Brion Foulke on August 05, 2009, 11:04:51 pm
Discussion for the new chapter goes here.  Discuss discuss discuss!
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: charles on August 05, 2009, 11:18:02 pm
Well. Lovely cover with Inverness, but I don't think thats her in Crest's room.

She just looks too cheerful.  I think Crest will pick up on it pretty quickly but I wonder whats happening to the real Suspira.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: RoninAngel on August 05, 2009, 11:21:24 pm
Weee! New strip! (finally!)

Also I think that suspira might want to bone Crest. That'd be cool. Crest needs to get layed.

I wonder if Suspira knows about morning wood? That could possibly be Crest's reason for sleeping in jammy jams. 
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: akashayi on August 06, 2009, 01:43:21 am
I dunno. Look at her eyes. I think it's the real deal.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: RoninAngel on August 06, 2009, 02:49:20 am
So you're saying that this could be a one of the two twin girls disguising herself as Suspira? I suspose it could be, but it's too early to tell...

Except that She wants to bone, who ever she is, that much is clear!  ::)

Bow Chicka Wow WOW!  :D
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Razzly on August 06, 2009, 04:25:12 am
Are you trying to hint at something, Suspi?  :P
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Ecco on August 06, 2009, 03:28:06 pm
As soon as i read the first page I instantly knew what I wanted Crest's response to be:
"Why are you watching me sleep? Thats even wierder."
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: charles on August 06, 2009, 06:34:10 pm
@Ecco: hehe, true true.  Heck I can't understand why she'd even go to his room.  Although I guess she was asleep when they arrived so she's probably woken up wondering where she is and gone straight into the room across from hers in search of someone.

I'm going to wait and see if Suspira's hairstyle changes.  It's in normal mode right now so if it changes than we know that either it's really her or its Suspira possessed.  If the hairstyle stays the same at an emotional moment then its someone just disguised as her.

Hmmm. She's changed her clothes as well: http://www.flipsidecomics.com/comic.php?i=830 http://www.flipsidecomics.com/comic.php?i=818

@Delusion: Beautiful colouring of the cover!  Looks superb!
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Ecco on August 06, 2009, 09:32:10 pm
It looks like she's just wearing the shirt she was wearing before. Maybe she just randomly decided to ditch the pants and cloak thing?

Also, I just noticed the colored front page. It's really beautiful!
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Dragonizer on August 06, 2009, 10:12:35 pm
If I were Crest, I'd be annoyed that she woke me up to ask such a silly question. And only then would I be creeped out.

And I agree that the chapter cover looks beautiful. Such pretty colors~
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: akashayi on August 07, 2009, 12:45:14 am
The coloring job on this chapter's cover is particularly nice. Huzzah, delusion!
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Oddball on August 07, 2009, 12:56:16 am
Does this mean Crest will finaly get his leg over?
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Trombonefellow on August 07, 2009, 01:46:58 am
If I were Crest, I'd be annoyed that she woke me up to ask such a silly question.

lol, knowing him he's probably thinking more about how he might get some.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Stig Hemmer on August 07, 2009, 04:46:35 pm
Her hair has stayed constant for two whole pages.  Something is wrong here. :)

While it might be an imposter, I find it more probable that this is the real Suspira but that she is under some sort of enchantment, like the one at the pool.

If this enchantment makes it impossible for her to use magic, that might also make her hair stay put. (And thus I enter the ranks of the wild speculaters)
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: SAGG on August 07, 2009, 07:38:43 pm
Suspira, you're creeping me out, not just Crest...  :o  ???

Yeah, I'm think enchantment as well. Suspira after all, knows something about magic, so she should sense something's amiss. Plus, wouldn't the "hosts" take them into account after dealing with Maytag and Bern? They'd know eventually that Suspira and Crest would ask where their companions are...
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: contreras on August 07, 2009, 11:15:56 pm
- why do you sleep in your clothes, Crest?
- because Im a manga character
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: CrystalDragonSpaceMarine on August 07, 2009, 11:44:55 pm
Nessie seems disappointed about something.  :P
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: RoninAngel on August 08, 2009, 02:30:17 am
Suspira is cute in this strip, I think she might be detecting the same magical shennanegens that so befuddled Beredette and Maytag earlier.

Also, if I didn't know better I would think that Crest was trying to cock block himself.  ::)
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Razzly on August 08, 2009, 02:34:37 am
..Is it me or did Suspiria just turn extremely cute?

I didn't know she could be likable!  :P
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Pozf on August 08, 2009, 02:38:26 am
She's always been this cute, it's just been masked by her being a bitch most of the time
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Tropico on August 08, 2009, 07:25:09 am
So we're back with the regular strips? Awesome.

First of all, BEAUTIFUL cover. Congratulations to the coloring person, seriously. Even with the green-not-blonde hair.

Second... I'm on the fence with this Suspiria... she seems to be breaking her usual bitchy character but then again, it has always seemed she has the potential to be "cute" when something wasn't bothering her. Plus she did hit it off with Crest (to a point), last time.

Plus, how would the twin know to make Suspiria act clueless about where they are? Even though she was asleep coming in, could have been Suspi's plan to come to the bed and breakfast all along; the twin wouldn't know either way. Seems a big coincidence to just have her ask exactly what she should be asking if it's an act... UNLESS they have the real Suspi captured and awake somewhere and are just imitating what they saw or something.

So it's really a toss-up as far as I'm concerned. But I don't think it's automatically not her just because she's acting cute like that.

In any case, good to see a Crest/Suspiria/maybe-Glyph centered storyline for a change, feels very refreshing.

Edit -> Another anti-twin thing... before, we had the twin-eyes on Glyph, remember...? No twin-eyes this time!
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: RoninAngel on August 08, 2009, 08:12:21 am
..Is it me or did Suspiria just turn extremely cute?

I didn't know she could be likable!  :P

It's becuase she is bat-fucking-shit crazy.
Lots of crazy are charming if they can repress their narcissum or megalomaina for a few minutes.

Also, it's becuase Brion has decided what to do with the character: make her Crest's love intrest. 
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Dragonizer on August 08, 2009, 10:00:33 pm
Yeah, Suspi's cute in this page. But, uh, is anyone else seriously creeped the fuck out by Crest's eyes in the third-to-last panel there? XD
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Wordup95 on August 08, 2009, 10:34:12 pm
Loving the cover art. Any way I could get a wallpaper with that? :D

Also, yay Crest/Suspi
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: parameciumkid on August 09, 2009, 11:26:26 am
It amuses me that we have already a whole page of discussion for a chapter with no pages yet.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: CrystalDragonSpaceMarine on August 09, 2009, 12:51:36 pm
It amuses me that we have already a whole page of discussion for a chapter with no pages yet.

Excuse me? There are TWO (2) pages!
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: parameciumkid on August 09, 2009, 06:11:20 pm
Whoa really?
*goes back and looks for them while hoping I haven't just been tricked*
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: RoninAngel on August 09, 2009, 11:00:47 pm
ideedy-do.
Suspira says she thinks Crest sleeping in his cloaths is wierd and then Crest cockblocks himself with, and I quote: "Why are you on my bed?"
At least socially, Crest is not the sharpest knife in the drawer.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: parameciumkid on August 10, 2009, 04:58:52 pm
It is about time Crest got back into the central role he started off in.

You know what else it's time for? They should finally get to Eschelon sometime soon. I mean seriously, the characters have been on the same quest since like Chapter 5 or something!
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: spiritghost on August 10, 2009, 11:27:48 pm
Definitely liking the side character development...just keeps getting better and better
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Foof on August 11, 2009, 10:26:36 pm
I think Suspria x Crest would be pretty damn cute.  He seems to have a thing for crazy chicks.
Now, Crest!  She's in your room!  Get her!  :-*
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Oddball on August 12, 2009, 12:02:15 am
I get the feeling crest will blow it and get a kicking.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: NightWraith on August 12, 2009, 05:14:38 am
Given Crest is still Maytag obsessed and Suspria is still recovering from the death of Kin then it has "doomed from the get go" written all over it at the moment.

But I get this twitchy feeling they'll hook up before the end. Now watch as I'm proved wrong...
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Razzly on August 12, 2009, 06:09:58 am
Given Crest is still Maytag obsessed and Suspria is still recovering from the death of Kin then it has "doomed from the get go" written all over it at the moment.

But I get this twitchy feeling they'll hook up before the end. Now watch as I'm proved wrong...

I actually agree with you.

In real life, this would be the worst possible scenario. Suspiria's interest in Crest would just be a rebound/trying to heal her wounds, and for Crest it would just be a substitute for what he can't have.

But... It's a webcomic, so I expect it doesn't quite work like that.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Kanazaka on August 12, 2009, 01:59:45 pm
Hopefully Crest mans up one day and makes a move on a girl.  His awkwardness around girls is getting a bit tedious.  C'mon, Crest, you can do it  ;) !
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: parameciumkid on August 12, 2009, 03:12:36 pm
SHE'S UP TO SOMETHING! I just know it.
Whenever any character suggests that another character should be in charge of something, they're always up to something.

Besides, she has been acting unusual lately.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Ecco on August 12, 2009, 03:51:43 pm
I feel like tentical rape is in the future for this hotel... That or some kind of space time warp. Or zombies. Or maybe Nessy is just going to go crazy and kill everyone. Especially Glyph.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Hans on August 12, 2009, 04:43:44 pm
I feel like tentical rape is in the future for this hotel... That or some kind of space time warp.
It's just a jump to the left ...
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: charles on August 12, 2009, 04:50:14 pm
Well, it's almost certainly Suspira's BODY at least.  Her hairstyle changed in the 3rd last panel.  But hearing her complement someone is just... wrong.  Either it's not her or this is part of some committment to become less of a bitch.

It'll be interesting if she is possessed 'cos unlike the supposedly possessed Glyph, This one could be discovered if Crest is perceptive enough.  I wonder if we should read into Crest's reaction to her sitting on his bed as indication of what happened in her own bedroom.  He seemed to find the whole thing really strange which would seem unusual if anything sexual occured between them.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: contreras on August 12, 2009, 07:04:05 pm
love the crestpiria
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Miau on August 12, 2009, 10:27:20 pm
It amuses me greatly how everyone was instantly suspicious of Suspiria's identity because of the last chapter ;P

Of course it may not be her, or she may be possessed, etc. but I never really thought so myself from the start. I don't know, this Suspiria doesn't feel that farfetch'd far-fetched to me. This is about how I'd expect her to act.

...I wonder how Brion reacts to our accuracy (or lack thereof) in these chapter threads. He could be laughing at us right now. :|

(Also CrestxSuspiria why are you so cute)
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Enkida on August 13, 2009, 01:37:50 am
Wow, Crest is actually being smart, useful and cute for once!  Look forward to more! :-)
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: UmberIsSexy on August 13, 2009, 12:15:08 pm
little late here, but the Title page is incredible for this Chapter, esp. now that it's colored.  I love Suspiria now.  I full-on love her. ;D
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: RoninAngel on August 13, 2009, 01:20:39 pm
I just want Crest to get laid. Even if it's with Suspira. Or a wet dish towel. Or a mutant tentacle alien. It doesn't matter who, just as long as it happens.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Kanazaka on August 13, 2009, 03:03:07 pm
Ditto, RoninAngel  ;D.  And whether or not that happens, I think that Crest and Suspiria (if it's really her) have nice chemistry in this latest page of the latest chapter.  That time comment leads me to believe that the hotel might exist on some alternate magical plane or in an alternate dimension, which would mean that everyone's trapped unless they can find whoever is in charge.  Likely it's some evildoer, so someone will have to defeat him or her (at least temporarily) in order to escape.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: RoninAngel on August 14, 2009, 09:12:49 am
So the hotel is super creepy. I think we've established this. Now can we find out what the fuck is going on! [IMPATAINT!/] >:(
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Oddball on August 14, 2009, 09:21:26 am
What is going on is a bunch of preverts doing some thing really preverted and for some reason have May and Bern trapped in a roll of wall paper. (thats the simple view)
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Hans on August 14, 2009, 11:09:37 am
have May and Bern trapped in a roll of wall paper. (thats the simple view)
That paper wase more likely a portal, and May and Bern are somewhere completely else.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Oddball on August 14, 2009, 11:12:35 am
Yep proof that sarcasim does not work on the net.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: parameciumkid on August 14, 2009, 02:07:52 pm
lol
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Kanazaka on August 14, 2009, 06:55:25 pm
Very cool hallway perspective on the most recent page  :)!  Other than that, just idle chit-chat.  Hopefully Crest and Suspiria discover something very interesting behind the door.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Foof on August 14, 2009, 08:29:30 pm
Ronin - Same.  That boy needs to get some.

Anyone notice Crest is looking cuter than normal?  :-*
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: contreras on August 15, 2009, 05:22:16 pm
it seems like this Crest arc is coming to an end
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Smiles on August 16, 2009, 10:31:46 pm
i like the creepy hallway. i think the angles helped with that. :)
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: RoninAngel on August 17, 2009, 12:02:41 am
It's true. The angles make for maxmum creepage. And it was a hella well drawn hallway. I just think want to know what happens next. And why the Bernadette was making out with Glyph (*Yuck!*  :'( )
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Enkida on August 17, 2009, 11:10:27 am
today's page spelling error:  weirdos in panel 2

looking forward to more!
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: RoninAngel on August 17, 2009, 11:15:54 am
One thing I liked about this strip was Suspira's ability to cut right through all the bullshit. "So they're weirdos?" Right on, Suspira, right on! Also I have a sinking feeling that these two are going to find out that it isn't as easy to get out of this place as they would've hoped. Becuase this place seems like it might be bigger on the inside then it is on the outside.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Abstract Vagabond on August 17, 2009, 11:38:52 am
It's Winchester Mystery House.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: RoninAngel on August 17, 2009, 11:47:31 am
Yeah, That place is so cool! I wanted to go there so bad when I lived in California, but my family never did fun stuff like that.  :(
Same thing with the Mystery Spot in Santa Cruz or Disneyland when I lived in LA. God, I hate my dad.  >:(
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Kanazaka on August 17, 2009, 02:02:56 pm
Just drop a coin off the stairway, Crest!  If you don't hear a "ping", you're up high enough.  And I think that Suspiria has definitely flustered Crest with her straightforward speaking.  He seems confused.  Either that, or the house is really getting to him.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Oddball on August 17, 2009, 02:24:47 pm
Its ok he's like that all the time. but how did they get so high up in the first place?
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: JacobSnickers on August 17, 2009, 02:35:32 pm
After conducting some extensive research (reading the chapter's title), I have come to the conclusion that the staircase more than likely does not have an ending.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: SAGG on August 17, 2009, 05:58:21 pm
In other words, it's magic at work again, like with Maytag and Bern back in that spa...
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Oddball on August 17, 2009, 06:17:35 pm
Or could it have some thing to do with the spice? traveling with out moving?  :-\
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: charles on August 17, 2009, 07:14:56 pm
I guess Suspira looked over the edge and saw nothing but never-ending darkness.

I wonder if they'll try to fly or float down.  Heck, maybe Suspira will get sick of it and blast a wall out.  I'm convinced it's her now.  The hairstyle has changed a number of times and she was the one who pointed out the staircase with what I think is legitimate surprise.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: akashayi on August 17, 2009, 07:45:38 pm
Yeah, I've been pretty convinced she's the real thing this entire time.

If nothing else, she doesn't have the doppleganger twin eyes.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: charles on August 17, 2009, 08:06:55 pm
HAHA! Yeah, I forgot about the "Twin Eyes"

Thats the one to look out for... I wonder if Regina's eyes changed when Maytag possessed her... I think they did a little.

http://www.flipsidecomics.com/comic/book0/fs12pg13.html

hmmm, yeah maybe a bit but their eyes were fairly similar already.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Emp_Dragon on August 20, 2009, 11:19:03 am
Ok, I feel as if I've seen this exact picture before somewhere... but it could just be a deja'vu
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Kanazaka on August 20, 2009, 01:31:44 pm
Way to be rude, Crest  >:(!  Good thing Suspiria isn't angry.  Considering that she's the only one of the two with any chance of getting them out of their predicament, I would think he would want to be nice to her.  But it looks like she has a plan.  Let's hope so  :).
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: RoninAngel on August 20, 2009, 08:03:51 pm
That's... really fucked up. :'(

All we need now is some dueling banjos. I wouldn't put it past these folks to be inbred cannibals. I hope everything turns out okay for our heros.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: charles on August 21, 2009, 12:28:11 am
I wonder if there are doors coming off the stairway, or if they're now trapped in the illusion.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: CrystalDragonSpaceMarine on August 21, 2009, 12:40:54 am
Am I misrembering, or did we see this scene before?

And someone made a Monty Python joke?
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: RoninAngel on August 21, 2009, 12:49:04 am
Imbred cannibals is a The Hills Have Eyes/Texas Chainsaw Massacre  joke.
The english are pretty good about not imbreeding. Well unless your talking about the aristocracy, but that's much too silly a place.  :P
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Razzly on August 21, 2009, 07:56:33 am
Quit being such a bitch, Crest.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Selan on August 21, 2009, 08:26:01 am
Seems to me they are stuck in Rose Red
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Razzly on August 21, 2009, 08:31:01 am
Seems to me they are stuck in Rose Red

[offtopic] GREAT movie![/offtopic]
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Selan on August 21, 2009, 09:07:19 am
(Offtopic alarm alarm!) I know  :-* (offtopic wheeeeooooo wheeeeoooooo)

I got that idea from the page where they are in the staircase and are like.. wtf? We didn't get up this high!
It remembers me of the staircase scene where they have this rope and go all the way up. The staircase looks quite similar. Maybe Brion got it from RR
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Brion Foulke on August 21, 2009, 10:53:00 am
Never seen Rose Red, and I'm not a big fan of "psychics go to a haunted house to investigate it" movies.  Unless they are really crazy.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Selan on August 21, 2009, 11:01:59 am
Well coincidence ftw i say!
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Kanazaka on August 21, 2009, 12:30:35 pm
Yeah, Crest is being such an ass right now!  I agree with Suspiria, since she's more knowledgeable about these sorts of things.  And it's good to know some of the limits of magic.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: SAGG on August 21, 2009, 03:23:02 pm
Congrats, Brion, on racking that brain to give us something to deeply contemplate on...  ;D
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: akashayi on August 21, 2009, 07:53:28 pm
Yeah, Crest is being such an ass right now!  I agree with Suspiria, since she's more knowledgeable about these sorts of things.  And it's good to know some of the limits of magic.

I completely disagree. Crest isn't really making any claims, just questioning Suspiria's. And I suspect Suspiria is wrong.

For one, we know that moss and his uncle(who may or may not be danzig) were investigating the fourth level of sorcery(or at the very least, steal Seraph's research), which also isn't supposed to really exist. Experimentation on the cutting edge of science...sorcery could very well mean that infinite spaces and time travel are possible as well.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Razzly on August 22, 2009, 12:58:19 am
Yeah, Crest is being such an ass right now!  I agree with Suspiria, since she's more knowledgeable about these sorts of things.  And it's good to know some of the limits of magic.

I completely disagree. Crest isn't really making any claims, just questioning Suspiria's. And I suspect Suspiria is wrong.


There's a difference in saying a sarcastic "And you read that in a book?" and saying "Okay, but sometimes you should doubt what's written in books."

Crest is being an ass. And his bitching about time-travel has nothing to do with the staircase. Looks to me like he's just looking for an excuse to bitch at suspi.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: akashayi on August 22, 2009, 01:11:55 am
Heh, I wasn't trying to imply that crest wasn't being an ass. I mostly just think that despite Suspiria's schooling, her unquestioning belief in it is a weakness and she's probably wrong. :P
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: spiritghost on August 22, 2009, 01:13:47 am
^^ seems like thats how their relationship works out seeing as she needs someone to take her down a notch
 
 
 
...And I suspect Suspiria is wrong.

For one, we know that moss and his uncle(who may or may not be danzig) were investigating the fourth level of sorcery(or at the very least, steal Seraph's research), which also isn't supposed to really exist. Experimentation on the cutting edge of science...sorcery could very well mean that infinite spaces and time travel are possible as well.

Suspiria is right in that time does not exist as a tangible object....but maybe more of a description or measurement of aging?
 
unless time is some how out of our perception completely(oh god string theory)...not to say that their couldn't be some argument for tangibility of time but within normal perception it's a stretch
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: RoninAngel on August 22, 2009, 02:37:48 am
Never seen Rose Red, and I'm not a big fan of "psychics go to a haunted house to investigate it" movies.  Unless they are really crazy.

I would say that it was pretty crazy. Here is a scary Rose Red sequence on Youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPldRrCLF0o&feature=related
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Razzly on August 22, 2009, 02:53:26 am
Never seen Rose Red, and I'm not a big fan of "psychics go to a haunted house to investigate it" movies.  Unless they are really crazy.

Rose Red is alot more complicated than that. It's one of those horror movies with a really good plot, not just "AHHH *splash gore*".
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Foof on August 23, 2009, 09:29:40 pm
I thought maybe when they opened the door to the stairs it would be like this:
(Lazy image manip V)
http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/413/crazystairs.png (http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/413/crazystairs.png)
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Brion Foulke on August 23, 2009, 10:40:58 pm
Dude, nice image!
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: spiritghost on August 23, 2009, 11:02:38 pm
I thought maybe when they opened the door to the stairs it would be like this:
(Lazy image manip V)
http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/413/crazystairs.png (http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/413/crazystairs.png)


 
^this delivers
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Oddball on August 24, 2009, 04:43:00 am
Ok why does my head hurt each time I see that picture?  :-\
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: contreras on August 24, 2009, 08:07:12 am
I thought maybe when they opened the door to the stairs it would be like this:
(Lazy image manip V)
http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/413/crazystairs.png (http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/413/crazystairs.png)

flipside meets berserk
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: SAGG on August 24, 2009, 10:31:33 am
I thought maybe when they opened the door to the stairs it would be like this:
(Lazy image manip V)
http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/413/crazystairs.png (http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/413/crazystairs.png)


Hmmm. I must've given you the idea, since I brought something akin to it up earlier:

http://www.flipsidecomics.com/forum/index.php?topic=143.msg13666#msg13666

 ;)
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: spiritghost on August 24, 2009, 01:19:11 pm
my reactions to the page  :o // O_O // =0
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: akashayi on August 24, 2009, 01:20:03 pm
I thought maybe when they opened the door to the stairs it would be like this:
(Lazy image manip V)
http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/413/crazystairs.png (http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/413/crazystairs.png)


Hah! That's great.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: parameciumkid on August 24, 2009, 04:49:16 pm
It's an infinite loop is what it is.
They're totally going to end up back up where they started.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Foof on August 24, 2009, 08:33:29 pm
Brion, spiritghost & akashayi > *bows*  :-*

I thought maybe when they opened the door to the stairs it would be like this:
(Lazy image manip V)
http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/413/crazystairs.png (http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/413/crazystairs.png)


Hmmm. I must've given you the idea, since I brought something akin to it up earlier:

http://www.flipsidecomics.com/forum/index.php?topic=143.msg13666#msg13666

 ;)
I'm actually not sure if I'd seen that thread or not, but great minds think alike!

I really wanted to find a picture of the place in Berserk with the stairs, but I really wasn't sure where to find it.  Other than scanlations.


It's an infinite loop is what it is.
They're totally going to end up back up where they started.

Ah!  Just like in that movie with Uma Thurman and Sean Connery, where he was the villain that controlled the weather!
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Brion Foulke on August 24, 2009, 10:42:23 pm
What picture from Berserk are you talking about?
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: RoninAngel on August 24, 2009, 11:56:43 pm
seems like some really bad shit is about to go down. I am scared. Maybe the crew accedentally stumbled on the place were the bad guy makes the magical mutant people ala Bloody Mary. I hope everyone gets out alivish. Otherwise that would be sad times.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: charles on August 25, 2009, 12:42:07 am
I'm betting its a doorway to another stairwell.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Oddball on August 25, 2009, 03:20:31 am
Reckon they have found the kitchen or the pool tables  ;D
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: charles on August 25, 2009, 03:39:44 am
Maybe they found Glyph's sandwiches *LOL*
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Abstract Vagabond on August 25, 2009, 01:25:16 pm
I think it's Crest's bedroom. Went down stairs just to end up where they started.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Pozf on August 25, 2009, 01:29:28 pm
I'm actually a little surprised that Suspiria hasn't already tried to break the illusion by jumping over the railings, it's not like she can't fly.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Hans on August 26, 2009, 02:08:37 am
Could be two gates, below and above the stairs, that create tis illusion. In this case they are indeed where they startet.
Suspiria jumping would also be an interesting effect. Should seem to Crest like an unlimited number uf Suspirias.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: ury on August 26, 2009, 08:23:34 am
I don't know about you guys, but the illusion they're caught in reminds me a lot of M.C. Eschers paintings, the ones where your eyes water from trying to figure out the perspective (Check out "Relativity" and "Ascending and Descending" on google). Especially since Danzigs weird servant is also called Escher ;)
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: JacobSnickers on August 26, 2009, 10:59:48 am
If it really was an infinite loop illusion, they would've seen themselves when they looked over the rail.  Maybe it's just a really long staircase that leads underground.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: CrystalDragonSpaceMarine on August 26, 2009, 08:23:07 pm
I feel like I should actually comment on the comic, since I use this forum so much.

SO YEAH, keep up the great work Brion!

(Today's was pretty trippy)
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: charles on August 27, 2009, 06:19:51 am
EPIC!  Not just the result of opening the door but Crest's completely calm and collected attitude who's last line is the next T-Shirt comment IMHO.

Great work Brion!
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Oddball on August 27, 2009, 09:02:06 am
All they had to do was flip on the light switch  ::) ;D
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Foof on August 27, 2009, 08:40:07 pm
What picture from Berserk are you talking about?
Found it!
This one: http://ams-02.animea.net/data/4%2F3_HXIXL%2Fv3_ep1_p049-jpg
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: spiritghost on August 28, 2009, 12:30:44 am
typo page 12 (neck guessing next)
 
besides that great page
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Brion Foulke on August 28, 2009, 10:21:11 am
What picture from Berserk are you talking about?
Found it!
This one: http://ams-02.animea.net/data/4%2F3_HXIXL%2Fv3_ep1_p049-jpg

I can't open that file.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: contreras on August 28, 2009, 11:20:37 am
that place from Berserk is inspired by Escher's painting
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Foof on August 28, 2009, 07:32:55 pm
What picture from Berserk are you talking about?
Found it!
This one: http://ams-02.animea.net/data/4%2F3_HXIXL%2Fv3_ep1_p049-jpg

I can't open that file.
Huh...it's some odd kind of format.  Let's try this...

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/939/crazystairz.png

Oh, and noticed a typo on the newest page.  Crest says "neck" instead of "next".
^You'll probably be hearing that a lot.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Tropico on August 29, 2009, 06:32:23 am
I like how Crest is taking the lead and Suspiria is letting him... pretty big sign that their relationship is going to continue to go well.

Right now I'm wondering if they are still in the house proper or if they are actually inside another of those prison-dimension scroll thingies without knowing about it... would make more sense.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: SAGG on August 31, 2009, 06:56:07 am
I'm thinking Crest is suddenly going to pop up behind Suspira, and surprise her, which will convince her that this is indeed magic--as if she of all people should've known. Oh, and he'll collect his gold coin, too...  ;)
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: RoninAngel on September 01, 2009, 05:35:05 pm
Oooooooh! :-[ Crest looks quite sexy in the second to last panal. Maybe there's some hope for him after all?  :-*
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: contreras on September 02, 2009, 09:29:33 am
so Suspiria doesnt know squat about magic
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Hans on September 02, 2009, 09:46:21 am
so Suspiria doesnt know squat about magic
Well, let's say she possibly knows a lot about theoretical magic, but totaly fails with applied magic.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Oddball on September 02, 2009, 09:48:40 am
It's not her  ;)
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: CrystalDragonSpaceMarine on September 02, 2009, 01:03:23 pm
so Suspiria doesnt know squat about magic
Well, let's say she possibly knows a lot about theoretical magic, but totaly fails with applied magic.

Or maybe it's like, weird new stuff that has never been discovered before, cuz no one's been willing to sacrifice that many orphans.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Abstract Vagabond on September 02, 2009, 03:19:42 pm
"Well, let's say she possibly knows a lot about theoretical magic, but totaly fails with applied magic."

Or maybe it's like, weird new stuff that has never been discovered before, cuz no one's been willing to sacrifice that many orphans.

Poor Annie.

"The sun will come out- AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA" *THWAP* *THUD*
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: charles on September 02, 2009, 05:52:54 pm
Crest is unusually comfortable with her.  But I do like to see our Detective Crest back in action.  He does so well at figuring these things out in a comedic way.

3 doors:
   1st to their rooms and the love bath
   2nd to a never-ending space
   3rd to cob webs.
Stairs appear to go for three levels then return in on themselves and repeat
Looking down the middle of the stairs, you presumably see the stairs repeating themselves forever, much like looking into a mirror opposite from another mirror and seeing the reflection go on forever.

QUESTIONS:
If they look over the side, will they see the back of their own heads, looking down, three levels below?
If they drop something over the side will it simply drop down forever through the same space, passing them again and again?
Where is the "fold" (i.e. at which point to they go back up three levels)?
Whats beyond the cobwebs?
Whats the go with the door into never-ending space?
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: RoninAngel on September 02, 2009, 06:50:46 pm
That was cute! :-*
That Crest, he's adorable right!  :P


So...


Um...


Can we please get back to the story now. PRETTY PLEASE!  :(


Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: SAGG on September 03, 2009, 05:12:07 am
Annd---Crest appears behind Suspira! Told you!  ;)
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Brion Foulke on September 03, 2009, 01:24:53 pm
Can we please get back to the story now. PRETTY PLEASE!  :(

I thought this WAS the story...

Not a big Crest/Suspiria fan, Ronin?
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Kamui on September 03, 2009, 04:38:51 pm
It greatly amuses me that Crest is shattering all of Suspiria's preconceptions, and he doesn't even know that much about magic.  Although, the fact he hasn't had the same things drilled into his head as Suspiria probably helps him quite a bit, that and his free thinking.  I sense that within a couple of chapters Crest and Nessy are gonna get quite a bit closer :3
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: charles on September 03, 2009, 06:05:10 pm
I thought this was story  ???

Maybe he thinks we're still in some sort of intermission *shrug*

Man alive.  Even I was starting to believe others that said Crest had become nothing but extra baggage, but this chapter has really done well to bring him back into the spotlight... I still reckon "So, uh... Wrong door, huh?" is T-Shirt worthy.  Thats his most epic line in the whole comic IMHO.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: RoninAngel on September 04, 2009, 05:09:39 am
Can we please get back to the story now. PRETTY PLEASE!  :(

I thought this WAS the story...

Not a big Crest/Suspiria fan, Ronin?

No, I think they're perfectly cute together. (Although if we're shipping, ::) I'm clearly a Crest/Maytag fan, or perhaps a Maytag/Umber fan. :P)
I just get impatient about 4 or so strips in a row basically featuring senery, is all.
Nothing agianst you, you drew them beutyfully, I just prefer charcter development. Or at least plot development. Establishing the setting is... well... kinda boring for me. (Not to mention that it's pretty obvious by now that this is a creepy, creepy motel. I mean, the two main characters did just get kidnapped!  ;))

Take this latest strip. Well done!  :D It's darned adorable! And It looks like Crest might just take the plunge, YAY!






Edit: So I went back threw the last couple of pages and I think I missed a crutial update. You know the part on page 9 were they disscuss everything? Suspira says what they're about to encounter is physically impossible but Crest remains open-minded?

...

Yeah, kinda missed that page.   :'(

That would have done a great deal to establish tention about what would happen in the next few pages. Without it, I was like "YEAH YEAH, WE KNOW THIS PLACE IS SCARY AND UNIQUE AND DANGEROUS! CAN WE JUST CONFRONT THE BADGUYS NOW?!?"

But re-reading through it, page 9 adds a whole new (for me  :P) character dynamic that makes the action in the few following pages a lot more worthwile. Like, Suspira is supposed to be the expert with magical stuff and these things don't jive with what she was taught. Crest dosen't have those preconseived notions, so he is less shocked about the nature of the place. For a minute there, I was thinking you were just trying our patients with Tolkien-eqsue scenery porn. But you kinda wearn't. My appologies. I feel a little awkward right now.  :-\

Great JOB! http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FridgeBrilliance  :P
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: SAGG on September 04, 2009, 05:41:28 am
Geez, Suspiria, what in the heck is wrong with you? Hello, this is magic we're talking about here, you know, what's up your alley? Granted you're still grieving over your former boyfriend, but you need to wake up and start doing your thing! Stop feeling so blasted sorry for yourself, and do something!  >:( Give me a freaking break, girl!
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Tropico on September 04, 2009, 05:45:53 am
Nothing agianst you, you drew them beutyfully, I just prefer charcter development.

Dude... we're seeing both Crest and Suspi have their views of magic/the world challenged and be pushed into acting in ways way have never seen them act before. We're seeing them both handle a situation completely differently and we're seeing a burgeoning relationship between them taking place.

If that ain't character development, I can't think of anything that is!

And It looks like Crest might just take the plunge, YAY!

Yep, almost as if his character is like, going through some weird sort of growing-and-changing process, isn't it  :)

About Suspiria, give her a break, girl's having her whole view of the world torn apart. When you're known for being a genius in an area that's bound to cause MORE anxiety, not less. (Although I would have expected her to get mad about the whole thing instead of breaking down, but there you go).

Anyways... Personally I'm loving this storyline, it feels a lot more fresh and new, which was an issue I was starting to have with the comic before. Great to see more sides of these two seemingly-flat characters. Hope it continues for a bit at least.

Edit -> Ronin, wrote that before you made your edit, sorry, feel free to disregard it now :)
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Brion Foulke on September 04, 2009, 09:07:55 am
"Suspense takes space."  There's no way to create suspense without dragging scenes out.  Compacting scenes kills it.  This particular scene would be even better if it were *more* dragged out over more pages, but I'm trying to find a good balance.  Not every scene needs to be like this, when it comes to lighter and comedic scenes, I try to plow through pretty quick.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: RoninAngel on September 04, 2009, 09:26:16 am
well, like I said, I wouldn't have complianed as much if I had read page 9.

In retrospect, those pages are lot less boring with that "new" information. 
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: parameciumkid on September 04, 2009, 06:34:26 pm
I see the next comic as the part where Suspiria reveals that she is not Suspiria and so forth.
Assuming the rumors are true, that is...
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Kanazaka on September 05, 2009, 04:29:23 pm
I wonder if Crest is actually going to touch Suspiria's shoulder ... or some other part of her body  ;D.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: crazy_razor on September 07, 2009, 02:52:58 pm
originally i was going to come in here and wax poetic about how Suspiria has completely fallen apart without Kin (a man) by her side, and how utterly laughable that particular character twist was ... but it hadn't occurred to be that she might be someone else in disguise. hrmery.

after all if she was a supposed "genius", you think she'd be more knowledgeable about the magic that alters this MC Escher crazy house, yes?
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Oddball on September 08, 2009, 03:51:25 am
Just thinking out loud here...but wont you need TWO portals? one at the bottom and one at the top of the stairs?
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Hans on September 08, 2009, 05:36:09 am
Just thinking out loud here...but wont you need TWO portals? one at the bottom and one at the top of the stairs?
IIRC in the flipsidean portal magick there are always two portals needet.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: parameciumkid on September 08, 2009, 06:52:16 pm
Depends on the nature of the portals. Are they like the ones in Portal or the 1-way teleporters in Halo whose other end is just this little green spot on the ground?
Alternatively it could just be that the space they're in has one circular dimension like the maze in Pac-Man. There aren't really any portals, it's just that if you travel far enough in any one direction you "go around" back to where you started. Some theorize the whole universe is like that but much bigger.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Oddball on September 09, 2009, 12:32:11 am
In other words.......a Worm hole?
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Hans on September 09, 2009, 03:12:52 am
Depends on the nature of the portals.
I think to remember, that Brion once said, maybe in an intermission or the interviews or in one of the old forums, that there are always two portals needet. One you go in, and one you come out.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: RoninAngel on September 09, 2009, 10:13:28 am
OOOOOH! Suspira's in lloooooooooooooove!  :P

Great strip today! Liked it alot, very interesting!  :D
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Dragonizer on September 09, 2009, 04:24:41 pm
And thus, Suspi's mind is blown!
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: charles on September 09, 2009, 09:14:44 pm
hmmmm. Sound might be something as well.  At some point Crest's voice came from above Suspira instead of below, so possibly sound doesn't travel through a portal.  Thus, they can simply walk a few paces apart, with the front man calling out until the person behind them hear's the voice above them instead of ahead.

I'm still wondering whats up with that spider-web door and the never-ending one... Maybe the never-ending one is a giant D-Bag.  Heck I thought the D-Bags and portals were pretty much a bending of space *shrug*

I wonder how they'll break the portals once they find them.  I think you have to have access to the edges or the back of the portal.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Tropico on September 09, 2009, 11:32:05 pm
Aw.. Suspiria is now Officially Impressed by Crest. Very cute.

Last panel makes me reflect once again on just how perfectly Flipside nails facial expressions in general. Not something you see done well all that often.

Also, can't believe there are still people who think it's not the real Suspiria... come on people... we would have known by now. Where's your sense of pacing? No way the scene would be all deliberate and expanded like this if that were the case.

Of course there's a chance I may end up eating those words, but honestly, I would be shocked  :P
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: SAGG on September 10, 2009, 05:36:40 am
Aw.. Suspiria is now Officially Impressed by Crest. Very cute.

Last panel makes me reflect once again on just how perfectly Flipside nails facial expressions in general. Not something you see done well all that often.

Also, can't believe there are still people who think it's not the real Suspiria... come on people... we would have known by now. Where's your sense of pacing? No way the scene would be all deliberate and expanded like this if that were the case.

Of course there's a chance I may end up eating those words, but honestly, I would be shocked  :P

It's Suspiria, I'm sure of it. And it took Crest of all people to explain to her the way he thinks magic is working here. This is the person who is SUPPOSED to know magic. Her boyfriend's death clearly has affected her badly. The girl needs to wake up and get her act together.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: charles on September 10, 2009, 08:10:24 pm
The whole interaction we've been witnessing between Suspira and Crest seems wrong which makes me think they might each be under some spell thats affecting their behavior or one of them might be a "twin"

But then Suspira's confidence could easily have been shaken by her disastrous handling of Bloody Mary, together with the Loss of Kin while Crest has had his confidence training with Maytag, plus he's been around Suspira for 4-5 days.

And then there's the question of what happened when she led him into her bedroom...
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: akashayi on September 11, 2009, 02:41:01 am
It really has seemed 100% Suspiria to me the entire time.

Reliable. Not exactly the best compliment in the book, but it's a start ;P
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Foof on September 11, 2009, 01:33:32 pm
Reliable is one step closer to "sexy beast".
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: parameciumkid on September 11, 2009, 07:38:07 pm
She's definitely getting clingy like the stereotypical girl who has just lost a boyfriend.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: RoninAngel on September 12, 2009, 04:19:46 pm
Wow, Suspira, I don't think you want to go down that road. If your intrested in Crest for himself, that's cool, but if your intrested him solely as a replacement goldfish for Mr. Deady Deadbeau, (I forget his name  :P) that's bad ju-ju  :(.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Tropico on September 14, 2009, 05:57:28 am
Haha, yay for Crest and Suspiria... I'm loving this whole chapter. It has a whole "show, don't tell" thing going on that really works well and is usually absent when Maytag is around (no offense to her or anything, I'm just saying).

Sure, Suspi's acting different than before, but we haven't seen her for enough time before this to say whether it's "breaking character" or merely just showing another side of a complete personality (because usually people have both bitchy -and- friendly sides to them, you know).

She's definitely getting clingy like the stereotypical girl who has just lost a boyfriend.

She has been through a lot more than just "losing a boyfriend" over the last few days and is entitled to some measure of emotional instability as far as I'm concerned.

So far Suspiria has:

- had to face that despite thinking herself a genius, her best effort to kill Mary still wasn't enough
- seen her boyfriend/best friend BE KILLED in front of her because the spell she gave him to protect himself failed to work
- had to sit there helpless and wait to be killed, when she is used to being incredibly powerful
- had to let herself be saved by the sick girl she came to save
- realized she went so crazy as to try to drop Maytag to her death
- been completely frustrated in her attempt to get revenge
- spectacularly failed the mission she was on and disappointed everyone
- been denigrated and possibly chewed out by her teacher/mentor/boss
- witnessed a fervent declaration of love/PDA between May and Bern a day after losing her own love

So... you're talking about a young person who comes in with the unshakable belief that she is indestructible and the best thing ever, and then has that belief, and pretty much her entire worldview, systematically shattered and invalidated in a short time. Aside from getting the poison out of Bern she has pretty much failed at EVERYTHING she has tried.

If you're going to take all that and turn it into "She's like, teenage girl that, like, totally got broken up with, right?" then I have to disagree, she's nothing like that.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Oddball on September 14, 2009, 08:01:29 am
Ok I'm still seeing the cartoon weather sketch from Monty Python when I see those stairs. "Bloody weather"
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Razzly on September 14, 2009, 08:25:56 am
I'm with Tropico here.

Considering what Suspiria's been through, she's being pretty damn strong. And Crest is being a real cutie to her now. I think I'm becoming a Crest/Suspi-shipper!
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: RoninAngel on September 14, 2009, 09:03:25 am
AAAHHHHHH! SO CUTE!  :-[
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Foof on September 14, 2009, 02:18:50 pm
I'm with Tropico here.

Considering what Suspiria's been through, she's being pretty damn strong. And Crest is being a real cutie to her now. I think I'm becoming a Crest/Suspi-shipper!
I agree.

Go, Suspi, go!
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: akashayi on September 14, 2009, 02:20:32 pm
the first few panels of the latest page can become so interesting out of context

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v490/akashayi/ack.gif)
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Oddball on September 14, 2009, 02:25:22 pm
Thank you Akashayi.........I just choked on my soda while reading that
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Kanazaka on September 14, 2009, 05:45:59 pm
Well, at least they're not walking in circles anymore.  And, yes, nice joke, akashayi  ;D.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Foof on September 14, 2009, 11:43:28 pm
Nice, akashayi. XDD
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Smiles on September 15, 2009, 01:17:44 am
heh for once i must say it's good to be out of the loop. lol ;D
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Razzly on September 15, 2009, 07:40:30 am
HAHA!

That's awesome!
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: parameciumkid on September 15, 2009, 06:42:38 pm
That is so win.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: UmberIsSexy on September 16, 2009, 09:25:35 am
heh for once i must say it's good to be out of the loop. lol ;D
heehee

And Akasha as well lolll

this chapter is great so far.  I love me some Suspiria + Crest.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: parameciumkid on September 16, 2009, 04:15:25 pm
At this point I would be getting very frustrated about not being able to find any breakfast in the bed & breakfast.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: akashayi on September 16, 2009, 04:44:08 pm
Is that... Bern and May just hanging out without Suspiria and Crest?
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: SparcMan on September 16, 2009, 06:45:49 pm
Is that... Bern and May just hanging out without Suspiria and Crest?
Yeah, I think they just found out where May and Bern disappeared to.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: akashayi on September 16, 2009, 07:04:41 pm
This seems to be gearing up to a "Welcome... to my pleasure room!" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orbUVo7sqCw) scene.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Foof on September 16, 2009, 08:10:17 pm
Oh no, May and Bern!

What's this?  They're being held up by tentacles?!

Oh...wait...no...that's just my imagination.  Gotta stop going on those hentai sites.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: akashayi on September 16, 2009, 09:48:15 pm
We've already had sexy tentacle rooms in book 0, though (so it's not so far fetched)
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: ury on September 17, 2009, 03:17:46 pm
Is this really May and Bern? Those feet doesn't look naked to me - but perhaps it's just the lighting.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Foof on September 17, 2009, 07:13:07 pm
You're right, akashayi!

Ury - I'm not sure, look at the feet.  They seem to be hanging limply, like they're hanging off something.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Hans on September 18, 2009, 12:13:08 pm
Obviously an illusion, because nobody would care to fix Maytags arm, before hanging her.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: MaronaPossessed on September 18, 2009, 12:23:15 pm
right when i saw the latest page, i knew it was fake. :P
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: CrystalDragonSpaceMarine on September 18, 2009, 12:28:04 pm
Oh there they are! They were just hanging around.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Halifax on September 18, 2009, 12:29:51 pm
Obviously an illusion, because nobody would care to fix Maytags arm, before hanging her.

I was thinking it was an illusion because they were naked when we saw them last. Funny how I remember things like that before I remember things like one of the characters' previously missing limbs.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: TF Commando on September 18, 2009, 12:45:50 pm
Scooped on Maytag's arm since I hit reply.  It's a crappy illusion, because it's not possible to hang yourself with nothing around to stand on and jump off of.  Are the owners trying to scare off Crest and Nessie?  Why trap them in the portal loop first place?  Or are they just trying to creep Our Heroes out for kicks?
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Hans on September 18, 2009, 12:55:39 pm
Obviously an illusion, because nobody would care to fix Maytags arm, before hanging her.
I was thinking it was an illusion because they were naked when we saw them last. Funny how I remember things like that before I remember things like one of the characters' previously missing limbs.
The arm is something wehre Crest and Suspiria could detect the illusion. They don't know Maytag and Bern were last seen naked.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: contreras on September 18, 2009, 12:59:07 pm
this saga rules
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: CrystalDragonSpaceMarine on September 18, 2009, 01:17:18 pm
Scooped on Maytag's arm since I hit reply.  It's a crappy illusion, because it's not possible to hang yourself with nothing around to stand on and jump off of.  Are the owners trying to scare off Crest and Nessie?  Why trap them in the portal loop first place?  Or are they just trying to creep Our Heroes out for kicks?

They stood on block of ice until they melted. Trust me, it was in a lateral thinking puzzle book I read once.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Foof on September 18, 2009, 01:37:45 pm
I think the girls are just trying to scare them.  Why would they hang such bodacious babes?

Man, these guys are mean.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Alcapter on September 18, 2009, 01:54:31 pm
Either that is an illusion, either they are just some other bodies charactericed to be May and Bern (illusion on face or what) [very little probability], or Brion forgot and drew May again with one hand (i doubt :P), so we know they are still alive :)
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Alcapter on September 18, 2009, 02:02:34 pm
the first few panels of the latest page can become so interesting out of context

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v490/akashayi/ack.gif)

oh man!
lady, u rox! :D
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Trombonefellow on September 18, 2009, 04:27:39 pm
Whoa, that page actually scared me a bit.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: akashayi on September 18, 2009, 04:35:35 pm
I bet it's the doppletwins now, actually. :P
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: krid on September 18, 2009, 05:25:15 pm
Well, that's one way to keep people from looking for your kidnapping victims. A bit vicious, though.
At any rate, Crest And Susp won't have any trouble figuring out the ruse once the shock wears off, unless it's a mind-altering spell. It'll also clue them in that the culprit had met Maytag before.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Jeyl on September 18, 2009, 05:50:26 pm
At any rate, Crest And Susp won't have any trouble figuring out the ruse once the shock wears off

No kidding considering that all they have to do is look at Maytag's left arm. Not only did the people behind this illusion get the arm wrong, but they gave Maytag her pinky finger back!
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Oddball on September 18, 2009, 05:57:28 pm
Also the big hint is May is in her costume!! she has not been in it since her arm got taken by Mary.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: SAGG on September 18, 2009, 08:16:31 pm
Eh. Illusion. Nice try at trying to startle me, though...  ;)
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: gavinfoxx on September 18, 2009, 10:37:20 pm
Fooled me! Though I haven't seen the rest of the comic in a while, I will have to reread it to figure out exactly what they got wrong...
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Razzly on September 19, 2009, 02:10:02 am
So much for sexy, eh?
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Tropico on September 19, 2009, 04:07:48 am
Ok, that I did not see coming :)

However, whoever made that illusion most likely cannot be the twins since, as we commented on the previous chapter, the twins never knew about Maytag being a Jester-girl or about her arm... they saw her for the first time already being one-armed and in normal clothes.

My guess is it's Crest for whatever reason.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Tropico on September 19, 2009, 04:10:03 am
They stood on block of ice until they melted. Trust me, it was in a lateral thinking puzzle book I read once.

Haha! I know that puzzle :) Didn't think of it immediately though.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Hans on September 19, 2009, 05:08:17 am
However, whoever made that illusion most likely cannot be the twins since, as we commented on the previous chapter, the twins never knew about Maytag being a Jester-girl or about her arm... they saw her for the first time already being one-armed and in normal clothes.
Moss could have helped them with that.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Tropico on September 19, 2009, 09:32:50 am
My guess is it's Crest for whatever reason.

LOL, I said "Crest", I meant "Moss", of course. Name mix-up :)


Quote from: Hans
Moss could have helped them with that.

Hm, while I agree that Moss is probably having a hand in it, I don't know how much "help" you can call having "helped" someone get an illusion wrong... my guess is Moss is doing it on his own, the illusion being generated directly from his memory. Possibly his part is to stay behind and deal with the leftovers while the twins make off with the real May and Bern.

Edit -> In FACT... the whole "Maytag & Bern being hung" scenario could be actually something generated from either Crest's or Suspiria's psychological weaknesses... Moss's talent/curse being what it is  ;)

Another Edit -> And in FACT... the whole impossible magic staircase thing could have ALSO been generated from Suspiria's psychological weakness now that I think about it... she did break down over it didn't she? So, we could say that Moss made the staircase out of Suspi's emotional weaknesses, and is now making this thing based on Crest's. Possible?
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Shay on September 19, 2009, 11:07:16 am
Moss could have helped them with that.

Moss has seen Maytag in her jester outfit before... but never in her new one. And really, how would he know she had changed it? If it truly was Moss, wouldn't the outfit May is wearing be the one he last saw her in?
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Kanazaka on September 19, 2009, 01:49:20 pm
Great cliffhanger!  I also agree that it's an illusion, but it's a cool image (morbid as it may be).
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Foof on September 19, 2009, 11:27:48 pm
My guess is it's Crest for whatever reason.

LOL, I said "Crest", I meant "Moss", of course. Name mix-up :)


Quote from: Hans
Moss could have helped them with that.

Hm, while I agree that Moss is probably having a hand in it, I don't know how much "help" you can call having "helped" someone get an illusion wrong... my guess is Moss is doing it on his own, the illusion being generated directly from his memory. Possibly his part is to stay behind and deal with the leftovers while the twins make off with the real May and Bern.

Edit -> In FACT... the whole "Maytag & Bern being hung" scenario could be actually something generated from either Crest's or Suspiria's psychological weaknesses... Moss's talent/curse being what it is  ;)

Another Edit -> And in FACT... the whole impossible magic staircase thing could have ALSO been generated from Suspiria's psychological weakness now that I think about it... she did break down over it didn't she? So, we could say that Moss made the staircase out of Suspi's emotional weaknesses, and is now making this thing based on Crest's. Possible?
That sounds pretty logical!  Since seeing Maytag die would definitely hurt Crest, especially if it looked like some sort of double suicide.  Wow....o.o  Good call, Tropico.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: ury on September 20, 2009, 11:30:20 am
Also the big hint is May is in her costume!! she has not been in it since her arm got taken by Mary.

Chapter 19, p 27 ;)
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Oddball on September 20, 2009, 12:03:06 pm
Ok I sit corrected.........but you know what I mean its been awhile since May was in her Jester outfit.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: parameciumkid on September 20, 2009, 02:46:37 pm
Has anyone else noticed the other big giveaway, i.e. her arm is back?
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Hans on September 21, 2009, 03:29:04 am
According to a previous strip, at least one of the twins never did anything to anyone that she hasn't done to herself before. I wonder, how she shocked herself.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: SAGG on September 21, 2009, 09:27:34 am
Hm. Sounds like some sort of experiment going on here from the twins, with their quote. I wonder if this is an overall thing, also with May and Bern?  ???
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Oddball on September 21, 2009, 09:52:50 am
*cough* Ahem.........They are DOooooooooooooooooooooMMMMeeedddddd, A' DooooooooMMMMMMMMeeeeeeeeDDDDDDDD, DoooooooooMMMMMMMeeeeeeddddddd I say.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: akashayi on September 21, 2009, 01:37:42 pm
hehehe. I'll show you a visceral response!

Showdown time! ./cues organ rocking boss battle music
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Foof on September 21, 2009, 07:31:22 pm
Yay!  Crest used his head!
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: CrystalDragonSpaceMarine on September 23, 2009, 05:46:19 pm
Does Danzig have a pimp cane?
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: akashayi on September 23, 2009, 06:33:24 pm
Oh hell yes he has a pimp cane.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Foof on September 23, 2009, 07:33:15 pm
Uh oh.  Look out, Suspi!  Pimps can smell fear!
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: RoninAngel on September 24, 2009, 12:55:21 am
Hmmmm...
Starting off negotiations with naked threats is usually not a prudent tactic, Suspira. Espeshally when the power level of your opponents is a thusfar unknown quantity.
Regardless of how many things in this house have been illusionary, the sheer volume of magic found here would give me pause.
I think that Suspira's anger is justified, but I think that a more effective tactic may have been to try diplomacy first, then the screaming and the threatening and the blasting.
That's just me though.  :-\
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Razzly on September 24, 2009, 01:28:50 am
Suspiria's back to normal?

...Yay? ..I think?

Also, Brion, typo in one of the panels. It's spelled "Immediatly" and not "immedietly" isn't it?
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: CrystalDragonSpaceMarine on September 24, 2009, 08:45:43 am
Immediately.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: UmberIsSexy on September 24, 2009, 10:27:02 am
Grammar error: Suspi should say "Where are Maytag and Bernadette?"

Should it be fixed though?  Do people say "Where's" in natural speech?
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: akashayi on September 24, 2009, 10:57:12 am
Should it be fixed though?  Do people say "Where's" in natural speech?

Yes.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Oddball on September 24, 2009, 11:00:18 am
I usually say "Where is....."
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Razzly on September 24, 2009, 11:33:43 am
Immediately.

That'shwhatIsaid.
>.>
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: SAGG on September 24, 2009, 06:34:03 pm
Good. It's nice to see Suspira being Suspira again....  ::)
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: akashayi on September 25, 2009, 02:19:05 am
In the next page, Danzig will bring out his magical testing apparatus and begin testing on the magical forces. (hehe, apparatus. XD ) Glyph will appear with his scouter, and confirm for Danzig that her power level is over 9000!!!!

O_O
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: NightWraith on September 25, 2009, 04:14:52 am
In the next page, Danzig will bring out his magical testing apparatus and begin testing on the magical forces. (hehe, apparatus. XD ) Glyph will appear with his scouter, and confirm for Danzig that her power level is over 9000!!!!

O_O

But isnt 99% of that used to power her hair?
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Trombonefellow on September 25, 2009, 10:51:14 am
Considering his "eccentric" nature, maybe he's just being an ass in response to Suspira's aggression?
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: CrystalDragonSpaceMarine on September 25, 2009, 12:08:07 pm
In the next page, Danzig will bring out his magical testing apparatus and begin testing on the magical forces. (hehe, apparatus. XD ) Glyph will appear with his scouter, and confirm for Danzig that her power level is over 9000!!!!

O_O

Escher: Danzig! What does the scouter say about her power level?

 :P

...Danzig is evil, isn't he?  Not even the redeemable kind, but just a complete jackass that no one will want to save?  ):

But he's such a nice host.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: parameciumkid on September 25, 2009, 04:01:19 pm
I see he has the wit to bring them into an anti-magic room. Way to mess with Suspiria. >:)
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Oddball on September 26, 2009, 01:52:36 am
But where is the FOOOD!! he promised them fooood!!!! he is not a nice host he is EVIL for not keeping his obligations as a B&B owner, I'm going to report him to the local tourist information board and B&B association.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: parameciumkid on September 26, 2009, 12:52:50 pm
But where is the FOOOD!! he promised them fooood!!!! he is not a nice host he is EVIL for not keeping his obligations as a B&B owner, I'm going to report him to the local tourist information board and B&B association.
*likes*
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Tyris on September 27, 2009, 01:04:40 pm
I see he has the wit to bring them into an anti-magic room. Way to mess with Suspiria. >:)
Could be as it's not the room, but the man. Perhaps he's one of the Ten, disguised, and is blocking her.

Or possibly he's blocking her, but rather than being one of the Ten, he is an unregistered rogue sorcerer (maybe even the Thin Man himself?), and Suspiria's "ten most powerful" count never thought to take into account all the possible rogues out there.

Or, most likely given the penchant we've seen for illusions so far: Suspiria actually did shoot a beam o' zap there, but she's being fooled into not seeing it. In such a case, the man is not standing in front of her, either - that's an illusion too. He may never even have existed at all. Perhaps the twins just put him up as a sort of holographic greeter.

No, wait, that's not the most likely option. The most likely option is, as ever, something we haven't even thought of yet.

Edit: 'Nother possibility. Since her hand does seem to be glowing, she may still just be charging up.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Hans on September 28, 2009, 02:41:18 am
Flying Hair, glowing Hand, how is that anti-magic?
And to me she looks concentrated, not suprised as she would most probably be, if her magic would not work.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: parameciumkid on September 28, 2009, 06:21:05 am
she may still just be charging up.

(http://helia.net63.net/mass_storage/chargin.PNG)
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: SAGG on September 28, 2009, 08:34:22 am
I think he's setting her up for something, and Moss'll have something to do with it...  ;D
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: charles on September 28, 2009, 08:13:53 pm
I wonder if Suspira actually fired something into the "Flower" which is draining her power, or if it started drawing her spirit essence from her the moment she "charged up" to cast.

It also occurs to me that this isn't the first time we've seen a flower used for magickal purposes: http://www.flipsidecomics.com/comic/book0/fs16pg04.html

I wonder if there's any reason behind the use of flowers... or if it's just something Danzig does and the Man Eater obtained the "device" from him.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: akashayi on September 28, 2009, 09:29:54 pm
Hm. Maybe Clairen and Mary were ultimately experimented on by Danzig and crew?

The doppletwins did say something about May possibly being what they were searching for.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: SAGG on September 29, 2009, 07:53:57 am
Yep, as I thought. Suspria's power is being absorbed, and she's being weakened. They set her up, alright. Now, she'll be as harmless as a baby. Crest, it appears you'll have to take up the load...  8)
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Kanazaka on September 29, 2009, 02:58:06 pm
Danzig's a punk!  He can't even fight his own battles, and has to step aside to let his henchman absorb Suspiria's burst of magic *tsk, tsk*.  Maybe the henchman's the real baddie, or Danzig just wants to save his strength.  Either way, it's a dick move.  Hopefully someone shows up to rescue Crest, unless he has some hidden abilities that we don't know about.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: SAGG on September 30, 2009, 05:07:44 am
So much for Suspiria--for now. The more I think about it, the more I'm sure Moss is probably behind this gang's doings. He's probably wanting simple revenge on Bern and Maytag, that's all...  ;)
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Oddball on September 30, 2009, 09:37:13 am
*looks back to remind himself of who Moss is*
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Pozf on September 30, 2009, 10:27:32 am
I'm just a tad confused here. And it was explained Here (http://www.flipsidecomics.com/comic.php?i=535) that everybody had the same amount of essence, and more powerful sorcerers/sorceresses were just more efficient with it.

... What I'm getting at is, when Danzig says "She really does have an amazing amount of spirit essence. I'm impressed."  Shouldn't it always be the same? *IE the flower thing should always be the same size* Or Am I just taking the explaination of essence too literally.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: akashayi on September 30, 2009, 11:23:58 am
No, I don't think Moss is behind this. He was spying on Seraph who was researching the fourth level of sorcery for his uncle. When Moss left Maytag last, he said he had to return to his uncle. I'm thinking Danzig is his uncle, and Escher and the doppletwins are perhaps his family. Whether or not they're family, everyone there has been experimentally altered magically, include Moss. It makes too much sense that the same people experimenting are responsible for people like Mary and Clairen, too >.>

The spirit essence thing might be true from a basic understanding, but Suspiria is special.

It also occurs to me that we still don't know what happened to Glyph after he went searching for tasty sandwhiches. Maybe he'll be able to burst in and uh, help rescue people. Hopefully soon, cause I think May is off somewhere about to get her brain poked at. like this: http://www.flipsidecomics.com/comic.php?i=785 o_o
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Ecco on September 30, 2009, 03:26:24 pm
I feel like we're suddenly going to cut to Bern and May now. Crest never gets to be the hero.  :-\ Or maybe the bed and breakfast circus will turn him into a mindless slave. Or rape him. Or both. :-X
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: charles on September 30, 2009, 03:49:56 pm
I had the same immediate thought.  Everyone has the same amount of spirit essence but higher level sorcerers can just use it more efficiently.

As Akashayi mentioned, maybe Suspira is different or special in that respect (or Brion has changed his mind in regards to it).

Last I thought, Glyph had been possessed by one of the doppletwins but that could still turn out to be an illusion instead, or even turn around to be that Glyph is part of this crew.

Alright, Maytag and Bern are out of commission together with Suspira and Glyph as the powerful magick users.  That only leaves Crest who's usually considered the most useless of the party, but he does seem to have rudimentary knowledge of magick and apparently has excellent potential as a swordsman (even if he's a little rusty).  Beyond that, we're relying on Moss to turn on his friends/family/gang here and help out... Which is possible.

All up, I'd love to see Crest find a solution out of this.  Best I got is that he runs back up the stairs to the girl's room and grabs Bern's magick sword in the hope of wrecking some sort of havoc.

... It also occurs to me that if Maytag and Bern come back into this, they'll still be naked
EDIT: Scratch that, Maytag has spare clothes and blankets stored in that D-Bag of hers so even if there's no clothes which fits Bern she'll be able to use a blanket.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Emp_Dragon on September 30, 2009, 11:41:04 pm
Provided she didn't leave the d-bag on the side of the tub... or in her room, after all, she was only taking a bath with bern!
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Oddball on October 01, 2009, 01:18:32 am
This place is deffinitly NOT going into my "Where to stay" guide for Iscarot. The hospitallity factor has gone way down.  He has not provided food and is now being attacked by his guests and stealing their souls.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: charles on October 01, 2009, 01:46:45 am
Well... he probably did provide those sandwiches to Glyph, but they were almost certainly laced with a potion of possession.

The real question is "Whats for Breakfast" and I have a feeling that might be part of the theme for the next chapter.

Also, it occurs to me that while Bern is probably a full warrior, Maytag a full rogue and Suspira a full Sorcerer, Crest is almost certainly that character in the party who's just multiclassed too much and only has levels in everything but only 1-2 *lol*
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: RoninAngel on October 01, 2009, 12:13:21 pm
This guy needs a beat down. Someone needs to kick his ass. In the ass.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: akashayi on October 01, 2009, 12:15:36 pm
This place is deffinitly NOT going into my "Where to stay" guide for Iscarot. The hospitallity factor has gone way down.  He has not provided food and is now being attacked by his guests and stealing their souls.

Keep it in the guide, give it a rating of only half a star. Write in the complaints. That way people will actually know to avoid it.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: CrystalDragonSpaceMarine on October 01, 2009, 07:48:02 pm
Provided she didn't leave the d-bag on the side of the tub... or in her room, after all, she was only taking a bath with bern!


I think there are a couple of prime d-bags standing right in front of her.  :P
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: parameciumkid on October 02, 2009, 06:12:15 am
I'm Crest and I get all sweaty and intense whenever I say anything!!!
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: charles on October 02, 2009, 07:26:34 am
hmmm. he did figure their way out of the stairway, so he's got some good logical thinking, he just needs to follow some logic here.  The more information he can get from them about his situation, the better.

...If Moss does show up now then both he and Crest don't know each other... at least, not as far as we're aware.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: RoninAngel on October 02, 2009, 10:53:48 am
I'm Crest and I get all sweaty and intense whenever I say anything!!!
That's a litte harsh isn't it? After all, there is a huge indication that he is going to say "Torture, rape, all mutilate you all and then use your bodies in a gruesome puppet show," or "Learn more about the mind by using magic to drive you all horribaly, irroconizably, and irrocavely insane," or simply "Eat your liver with some fava beans and a nice Chinati".
I think Crest is showing some serious courage for even summoning the will to ask, knowing that there is every likelyhood that the ansewer will be unimaginalbly horrible.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Foof on October 02, 2009, 05:54:57 pm
You're his next sex slave, Crest!
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Tyris on October 03, 2009, 12:54:04 am
Provided she didn't leave the d-bag on the side of the tub... or in her room, after all, she was only taking a bath with bern!
Isn't it sort of metaphysically attached to her hands?
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Razzly on October 03, 2009, 02:33:44 am
I hope Crest kicks the shit out of that douchebag.

That, or that someone unexpected, like say, Moss, comes to the rescue, saving Crest and Suspiria while throwing clever insults at everyone in the room.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Tropico on October 04, 2009, 07:45:31 am
Aha, Crest is using secret conversation techniques (http://www.flipsidecomics.com/comic.php?i=846) again!! :D Hope they're more effective than last time.

That's a bummer that Suspiria had to go down just like that... obviously we all knew she was going down as soon as she started acting all cocky and stuff... but just like that, couldn't even put up a semblance of a fight or anything?? :(
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: charles on October 05, 2009, 01:26:04 am
Well that was unexpected.

Recruitment for the Thin Man... Is that what they called Bloody Mary or are they seriously after others like Melter to do some grub work?

"This World is now what you think it is"

Now I've got images of The Matrix running through my head.  Just you watch, he's about to present a red and blue pill to Crest.

Seriously though, you have to wonder what turning a girl into a monster and unleashing her on a town has to do with revealing the truth.  But then you have to wonder what the point is of all the previous little trials they've just been put through to be recruited.  Suspira's power, Crest's logical thinking, Maytag's ability to resist mind effects...

Moss was after Seraph's notes on the 4th level of sorcery.  The expreiments have all been on young women and this party of travelers just happens to give them three such women, each one the pinnacle of their area (sorcerer, warrior, rogue).

Actually... This could be a serious religious thing.  Bloody Mary had the town totally convinced she was a daemon of the Vorpal sea with her abilities matching almost perfectly to one of them.  Either this is some cult or it's actually got some serious, truthful knowledge about some sort of higher forces there in Iscariot.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Oddball on October 05, 2009, 04:07:43 am
Is this where Jack Nicholson and Tom Cruise turns up and does the "You cant handle the truth!" scene from A Few Good Men?
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Hans on October 05, 2009, 04:28:38 am
So they are conspiracy theorists. Not a good sign, when someone tells, he is the "good one" and goes militant about it. He's most likely a fanatic.
With this mention of recruiting I'd say they are something like a press gang for this Thin Man guy.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: CrystalDragonSpaceMarine on October 05, 2009, 06:21:47 am
The plot thickens...
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: SAGG on October 05, 2009, 06:35:00 am
I certainly didn't expect this little twist, but like the other posters here have said, it's probably from a fanatic's POV. "Good" guys don't kidnap or drain sorcerer's powers. They come to you face-to-face and ask if you want to join their cause after explaining their position, not be sneaky about it.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: RoninAngel on October 05, 2009, 06:58:54 am
This dude is clearly deluded to no end. And Crest and the others are in serious trouble.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Tropico on October 05, 2009, 07:14:39 am
Heh, nice... "We're the good guys", kinda expected a a trumpet with a fade-to-black and "L O S T" receding into the background there for a second...

The comic is starting to get a strong "bad guys are also good guys" theme... if this good-guys thing turns out to be true then the only really "bad" guy we've seen yet has been Voulger, and the Book Zero guy, I guess (though even he is debatable).
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: charles on October 05, 2009, 08:34:10 am
There's also the chance that Bloody Mary isn't an experiment of the Thin Man's at all and the Thin Man (or this group) are fighting those who are truly responsible.

Actually... Here's another clue that Glyph might be in on this after all... He's responsible for leading them to this place instead of stopping at any of the others.  Possibly a little too coincidential.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Furcas on October 05, 2009, 09:00:54 am
Okay, I admit I was getting a little bored by Flipside lately, but this is a cool plot twist. Good going, Brion.

Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Tyris on October 05, 2009, 10:33:08 am
"We're fighting to reveal the truth."

"The truth?"

"Nnthe truuuth."
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Trombonefellow on October 05, 2009, 10:51:01 am
My theory is that the Thin Man and Breakfast Club, really are fighting some war with other sorccers but their weaponry consist of recruited/forcefully recruited super girls with devil powers.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Oddball on October 05, 2009, 11:09:36 am
yep I can see Jack in his USMC dress uniform around the corner warming up  8)
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Foof on October 05, 2009, 01:53:39 pm
Oh great, this guy is crazy!  He's one of those, "oh, no.  We're torturing you to HELP you.  We're NICE people" kind of guys.

Where the hell is Glyph when they need him?
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Oddball on October 05, 2009, 01:55:31 pm
He's part of it
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: parameciumkid on October 05, 2009, 02:08:12 pm
Quote from: Crest
WHAAAT?
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: SAGG on October 07, 2009, 05:23:27 am
Okay, obviously, this woman is not Bern that's waking Maytag up. Probably one of the "good" guys...  ::)
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Oddball on October 07, 2009, 08:33:04 am
One of the twins perchance.........or wasshisname who went off to make some sarnies earlier
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: akashayi on October 07, 2009, 10:21:42 am
It's probably Moss, after a thorough 'examination' of May XD ...ok, I jest.

But seriously, way to change scenes after hitting us with that! I'm glad May is waking up though, and looks like she's relatively brain surgery free.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Oddball on October 07, 2009, 10:28:14 am
Have I missed something? last time we saw May and Bern they where trapped in a portal
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: akashayi on October 07, 2009, 10:29:53 am
Yes, and it looks like May is the only one of the bunch getting those tasty sandwiches.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Hans on October 07, 2009, 11:44:07 am
The silhouette looks female enough to me to think, it's not Moss or Glyph. But it doesn't resemble the twins either. So I'd say someone we haven't seen yet, or another shapeshift. But I can't think of a reason for that.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: charles on October 07, 2009, 02:30:04 pm
Best I can match that silhouette to is Regina, but it's a bit far fetched.

I'll have to get my books out and see if she matches anyone in the exclusive stories.

...Unless Bern is dressed up and working with them already... Is it just me or do I see a hint of Maytag's left arm in that first panel? Could they have restored it for her?
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Kiran on October 07, 2009, 03:03:24 pm
I wouldn't be surprised if this would be another kind of test but now only exlusive for May,to test her for real,maybe another kind of illusion/dream.
She had resisted Glyph/or someone else who looked like him,but Bern failed due to her total zero resistance to magic,and rather weak head.
If that girl which we see partialy in this new page would really be Regina,or rather one of these sisters who would took her form,then I wonder if May could resist,after all she had a crush for her.
And that's a weakness which Moss could rather easily give out to these sisters.
But if all these guys are working for the Thin Man,and judging from Mary that guy rather isn't nice person,I'm a bit afraid what could happen to Bern cause she was rather useless for them.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: parameciumkid on October 07, 2009, 03:32:46 pm
YAY they can finally has food!
Or at least Maytag can, of course, since main characters automatically deserve special treatment.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Dragonizer on October 07, 2009, 06:38:05 pm
Is it just me or do I see a hint of Maytag's left arm in that first panel? Could they have restored it for her?

I don't think so. There's no arm outlined under the covers like the rest of her body is.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Trombonefellow on October 08, 2009, 03:31:45 pm
Yeah, I suspect it's a twin disguising herself as Regina.
She's the only one I could see filling out that shilouette.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Shay on October 08, 2009, 04:42:31 pm
I bet... it's Maytag's mother.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: akashayi on October 08, 2009, 05:02:24 pm
Danzig's wife and evil mastermind of the whole operation?
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: charles on October 08, 2009, 06:11:54 pm
I was wondering about Maytag's mother, but when I look back to the only picture we have of her (a dream, flash-back from about 10 years ago) she looks like she has hair that reaches down to the floor.

(http://www.flipsidecomics.com/comic/book0/fs26pg01.gif)

Then again it has been 10+ years and beyond that, I'm not sure we did ever get a confirmation that this was her mother (could be Mayweather or Taggert but I think they were guys *shrug*).
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: RoninAngel on October 08, 2009, 11:07:30 pm
These villians have now offociallly rankled me.
PUT MY MAYTAG IN A DREAM WORLD!!!!!  >:(
ILL KILL YOU!  >:(
This is why God invented pychokillers. 
All I want to happen at this point is these assholes to be chopped to little bitty bits.
Fucking lotus eater machines on top of everything else.
I would be all "Grabby Grabby, Stabby Stabby."
Just give me that Moss motherfucker and that Thin Man motherfucker.
I'll make a glorious gleeful parade down main street with their fucking insides.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Hans on October 09, 2009, 04:41:01 am
Can someone examine the Eyebrows? I'm not shure ..
Moss could easily impersonate Regina. He knows about their friendship. Though not, how strong it is.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Kiran on October 09, 2009, 05:41:13 am
As expected...
Still I don't know what to think anymore,what is real and what's not,and that annoys me as hell to tell the truth.
I would much more prefer if all these games/tests ended and we would go back to real world.
To know who is who and what's real or not,I suppose only Brion knows now.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Razzly on October 09, 2009, 06:42:59 am
Brainfuuuuuucccckkk
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Oddball on October 09, 2009, 09:48:31 am
Razzly you mean that our very own Pozf is involved in all this? lol
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: akashayi on October 09, 2009, 01:18:50 pm
Totally thrown for a loop! Holy shit!

The plot thickens?
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: parameciumkid on October 09, 2009, 02:38:07 pm
YEAARGAAGGHcharleswasright!
( :o)

Wait a minute... maybe Maytag's dead!
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: charles on October 09, 2009, 03:35:40 pm
Huh, what do you know. I guessed Regina correctly.  Figured it had to be someone we'd recognize or Brion wouldn't have bothered with the elusive outline on the previous page. Makes you wonder if Lucient is around (certainly strange enough that Regina would be in the same building as Maytag.

I wonder what she'll do when she realises she's hugging a naked Maytag *LOL*

For that matter, how the hell did they get from Lunavale city to here?

If anyone can un-mindfuck this joint (and plot) It's Maytag.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: parameciumkid on October 09, 2009, 04:03:58 pm
You know, come to think of it the Regina & Maytag part of this situation could very easily be explained if after Regina left the story she simply went and joined the mysterious "good guys" the Bed&Breakfast guy is alluding to, and now she has the pleasant surprise of reuniting with her old friend Maytag and recruiting her to sign up. :'
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Sidralma on October 09, 2009, 07:41:20 pm
So who thinks it's the real Regina? I keep going back and forth..
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Foof on October 09, 2009, 08:22:43 pm
Ho'shit, it's Regina!

Or is it? 'n'
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Tyris on October 10, 2009, 01:27:04 am
Everything this storyline tells you is a lie.

It might really be Regina, and it might not. Flip a coin...
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Razzly on October 10, 2009, 02:57:42 am
I... Somehow don't think it's the real Regina. She seems a bit out of character.

I think it's an illusion?
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Hans on October 10, 2009, 03:54:48 am
So, whi thinks that's not the real Maytag?
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Oddball on October 10, 2009, 06:28:59 am
they are still in the portal, and its all an illusion
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: parameciumkid on October 10, 2009, 02:30:27 pm
I keep coming up with increasingly simpler explanations:
Maybe Regina's just in the portal too.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: charles on October 10, 2009, 04:57:50 pm
We still don't know where exactly the portal went.

If they don't have any special portal skills then the best I can think is that they were portaled to a room where they were knocked out somehow and the entry was closed behind them *shrug*
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: dg86 on October 11, 2009, 09:54:30 pm
I doubt it's Regina.  Looks too FLAT.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Kanazaka on October 12, 2009, 10:16:13 am
I really wonder if Danzig is telling the truth about what's going on.  He still seems shady, even if he didn't intend for Escher to hurt Suspiria when Escher drained her of her power.  I remain skeptical for now, just like Crest.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: akashayi on October 12, 2009, 11:54:20 am
Oh, no matter the circumstances or ideas of good and bad sides, Danzig is a totally shady dude.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Foof on October 12, 2009, 03:16:10 pm
I've got it:

Moss couldn't take his love for Lucient any longer, and since Regina was in the way he banished her to another dimension!!

...Nah.  I think Moss is a T&A guy.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: RoninAngel on October 12, 2009, 04:07:01 pm
funny intermission. It really grabbed the mood of the whole thing about the bed and breakfast.
"Did anyone want enslavement?"  ::)
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: akashayi on October 12, 2009, 04:18:55 pm
I've gotta use that line sometime.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: charles on October 12, 2009, 05:55:16 pm
*raises hand*

If that really was Regina then I'm really starting to think Glyph was in on the deal.  It's just too much of a coincidence that they stopped at that place.  Leads me to think that Regina and/or Moss worked to get them into the group.  Heck, I'm even starting to wonder if Shepherd was there to spy on Bern as a result of her defeating the Man-eater rather than to follow the xubila collar.

It occurs to me that there might be two people in this group who are "cursed". Moss with his eyes and Escher with his spirit essence drainage.  I guess Escher's might be just an asphyxia but his general attitude strikes me as someone who might act like a black hole for spirit essence as he's devoid of his own or something (even though you apparently can't survive without it).
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: akashayi on October 12, 2009, 05:58:58 pm
Regina has been enslaved! :P

But it does seem like everyone connected to Danzig are all science experiments in some way or another.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: parameciumkid on October 13, 2009, 03:06:17 pm
"the xubila collar"? lol
(It' the "xibulba" collar. But xubila is definitely a more fun name for it xD )
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: charles on October 13, 2009, 06:56:06 pm
*shrug* I can never remember most of those names but provided I get close enough to people to work out what I'm saying, I'm happy *lol*.

I wonder how long this intermission will be.
Title: Re: Chapter 22: Discussion
Post by: Tropico on October 16, 2009, 06:19:17 pm
If that really was Regina then I'm really starting to think Glyph was in on the deal.  It's just too much of a coincidence that they stopped at that place.  Leads me to think that Regina and/or Moss worked to get them into the group.

I would agree except for that Glyph seemed very wierded out by everybody in the bed & breakfast from the beginning. Like he'd have to be a really good actor in addition to a mage to pull it off.

But then again, Moss certainly showed absolutely NO surprise at seeing May and Bern strolling in. So could be something there.

Also, haha I hadn't noticed that one of the servant's name was "Escher"... would be funny if he was responsible for the crazy rooms and never-ending staircase  :D