Comics Discussion => Flipside Discussion => Topic started by: Brion Foulke on April 22, 2009, 06:58:18 am
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This is the thread for discussing chapter 21, Bed & Breakfast. Is anyone tired yet?
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Lovely cover. Can't wait to see it coloured.
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The concept of "bed" doesn't usually evoke thoughts of sleep around here. :P
edit: "breakfast" does sound pretty good though :D
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I guess all I'll say so far is ... sweet, TWINS! :D
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Are those the twins from the sidestory about Maytag's breakup with Xenfa in the printed, book 3?
I love the effect of transparent skirts. Not sure what to make of this title and it's occupants. Best guess I've got is that they're going to stop the carriage and hit the sack for the night. The scary feeling I have in the pit of my stomach is that these guys will disturb the carriage just before Maytag can reveal the truths she's holding over from last chapter.
...And Brion's just cruel enough to do it *lol*
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Are you volunteering to cook Umber?
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never mind, maybe not...
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Haha, this looks really sweet! Can't wait until we see these new guys.
I really like those twin girls! The guy in the middle reminds me of whatshisname from Battle Royale, the crossdresser pompadour guy. Yeah.
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I'm loving those character designs on the cover. I feel like we've moved right back into the high fashion of the 80s. (To me, this is a good thing.) ;D
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Man, do all the Bed and Breakfasts in Iscariot(or Eschelon) look this wacky/fun?
We're really missing out over here in the real world.
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The twins' hair must be great for dusting ceiling fans. :)
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This looks like it's going to be fun.
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Cool cover. Looks like the style for JoJo's bizarre adventure!
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Just look at that dude, stutting his stuff, pimpin' his hoes.
I wish I had hoes. :(
Why Can't I get any HOES?!? >:(
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I give you permission, Deatzh. And my full support! Do it! ;P
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Are we sure it's a man? It might just be a very manly woman.
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Like your mom! OOOOH BURN! ;D
But seriously, That guy looks like an intresting character, can't wait to findout what his deal is.
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Oh balls, an entire chapter devoted to where they spend the night.
Still, with the apparent promise new characters, this may just get amusing.
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Man, that is a weird-looking pic for Chapter 21. :D There seems to be lot of people who represent some strange stuff in the upcoming chapter that's gonna happen to Maytag and Bern... ???
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I'm getting an odd feeling that those two girls are going to try to seduce and/or kill Crest... I wonder why >.>
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Cool cover. Looks like the style for JoJo's bizarre adventure!
haha yeah it reminded me of JoJo too
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Oh balls, an entire chapter devoted to where they spend the night.
Still, with the apparent promise new characters, this may just get amusing.
Its the first chapter of the next book. From what I tend to see this is the general form of the books, you have a more light hearted introduction chapter and a bit of a light hearted ending chapter in each book (although the end chapter often has some horrible cliffhanger to lead over to the next book). This is probably just setting the scene for book 5's adventures.
So anyone know yet if those twins are the same ones from the bonus story of Maytag's breakup with Xenfa in Book 3?
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No, but that would be a kick. Maybe it's just that all twins everywhere look alike. A clone proliferation, or somesuch.
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Maybe the'll make out. :-[
Yay Twincest! :D
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Oh god... she's going into one of her 'I'm so liberal and free-thinking it hurts' speeches again isn't she...
It's ok May, we love you even in spite of this little character quirk you have :-[
So anyway... what are the odds on 'we should break up' vs 'I swear to never cheat again'?
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I called it. Totally called it.
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Twins are just an excuse to not design another character :P
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Oh god... she's going into one of her 'I'm so liberal and free-thinking it hurts' speeches again isn't she...
Apparently she has to. Bernadette obviously doesn't understand her. Not that I blame her, Maytag should have explained herself to Bern a long time ago.
So anyway... what are the odds on 'we should break up' vs 'I swear to never cheat again'?
I'd say there's a 90% chance May promises to become (well, remain) monogamous.
The real question is how Bernadette will react to learning that promiscuity isn't just a phase for Maytag.
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Oh god... she's going into one of her 'I'm so liberal and free-thinking it hurts' speeches again isn't she...
I would applaud if every character in that chariot rolled their eyes right around now. No offence to Brion or anything. I like Maytag, just not when she's giving speeches completely contrary to my beliefs. It's my problem. XD
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Twins are just an excuse to not design another character :P
Pure gold comment *lol*
Heh, I figured the part about her contradicting Bern's belief that this was a phase. BUT DAMMIT BRION! You're making this painfully slow with switching images of characters reactions and a paragraph from Maytag thats going to take most of the chapter for her to squeeze out between them... But I guess that keeps us on the edge of our seat *lol*
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Heh, I figured the part about her contradicting Bern's belief that this was a phase. BUT DAMMIT BRION! You're making this painfully slow with switching images of characters reactions and a paragraph from Maytag thats going to take most of the chapter for her to squeeze out between them... But I guess that keeps us on the edge of our seat *lol*
Hey, first page of a new book pretty much has to be slow! But don't worry, I wanna move fast too. Might be a couple more slow pages but they should be high impact. After that plot should hopefully be speeding along pretty quick.
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Now page 3 is more like it. but yeah, I understand the slow start page. Particularly for a new book let alone a new chapter. It sets the scene again so you're reminded of where you are, etc.
ALRIGHT CREST, PULL THE NOTE OUT OF YOUR POCKET!
And go Maytag. But I wonder what Bern's response to this will be. She's pretty much been told that Maytag's dream is for sexual freedom but she's giving up that dream for Bern just as Bern gave up her knighthood dream for Maytag.
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For any one who thinks that being with Beredette is good for Maytag, I have proof that it's not on page 2. She's turning her back on everything that made her such a unique, engaging and adorable character in the first place. :( :( :( :( :( :( :(
I HATE YOU BEREDETTE! DIE IN A FIRE! >:(
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What the heck Ronin, you can't seriously be saying that the only thing that made Maytag interesting was the way she cheated in a relationship? I'm beginning to question your values here! (or is the word valuation? Help me here, Emp, "värdering" in english?)
What about her quirks? Her skills with people? Her poker-skills? Her adorable personality and likeableness?
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Don't worry Razzly; it's obvious RoninAngel is possessed by the devil, as shown by his post count.
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She loves her though Ronin - enough to do that. You don't love the Bern?
Oh but are you more saying that Bernadette sucks, rather than May is making an incorrect choice? or just that she should die in a fire?
Wups ninja'd...well Razz, I don't think it's that simple...when she was exploring and sharing her sexuality with people, and helping them out with their own sexual issues, she was in her element, she was full of joy!
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Don't worry Razzly; it's obvious RoninAngel is possessed by the devil, as shown by his post count.
Careful with jokes like this, his post count is already 667! (When this post was made, it was 666 at the time. Just making a note of that.)
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Wups ninja'd...well Razz, I don't think it's that simple...when she was exploring and sharing her sexuality with people, and helping them out with their own sexual issues, she was in her element, she was full of joy!
Oh, I know... But that's not Bern's fault! And after all, May chose Bern. She could have chosen to break up as well, which, in my opinion, would have been better than cheating in the first place, really.
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What the heck Ronin, you can't seriously be saying that the only thing that made Maytag interesting was the way she cheated in a relationship? I'm beginning to question your values here! (or is the word valuation? Help me here,
No. That's not it at all. What makes her so awsome is that she's a free spirit. She's joyful and isn't tied down, she lives her life by the beat of her own drummer and doesn't let others define her. She's a cute, irrepressible imp! Look at her now, and the fire has gone out of her eyes. She is like a caged bird. :(
Do you know why the caged bird sings?
Becuase it can no longer fly, that's why. :(
Emp, "värdering" in english?)
What about her quirks? Her skills with people? Her poker-skills? Her adorable personality and likeableness?
Well show me where you've found it hiding lately and I'll comment on it.
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You forget, Ronin, that Maytag CHOSE this. She has the key to her cage, so if she's so miserable, she can just use it.
Also, about where her likeableness is: It's been overshadowed by her inner fight, obviously. ^^
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She only chose it becuase she was backed into a corner.
It's not what she really wants. I mean look at her. She's dying inside. :(
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I disagree.
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She only chose it because she was backed into a corner.
It's not what she really wants. I mean look at her. She's dying inside. :(
Well, a monogamous relationship definitely isn't what Maytag would choose in an ideal world. In an ideal world she'd want an open relationship with Bern. But since the real world isn't ideal, she has to pick the best option among the available ones, and she looks like she's pretty certain that making Bernadette happy is what she wants most.
Of course, she may change her mind after a month or two of experiencing this kind of self-repression.
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I am hungry right now, which has made me decide that the last two panels make it look like May is going to eat Bern's face. OMNOMFACE. Or more like, "I am sorry, Bern, I do not mean to do this, which is clearly expressed by the tears in my eyes, but I am so hungry that I just cannot keep from eating your delicious face!"
I think we need some of that. Or at least some passionate kissing. When was the last time we saw them share a passionate kiss anyway?
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She only chose it becuase she was backed into a corner.
It's not what she really wants. I mean look at her. She's dying inside. :(
1 she can still choose otherwise at another point in time
2 She has said that she's willing to die for Bern. I know you meant metaphorically but if she's willing to physically die for Bern, I'm sure she'd be willing to compromise her feelings and believes, even if it hurts.
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Well I still think it sucks.
If Bernedette really wanted Maytag to be happy, she wouldn't let her do this. [pout/] >:(
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y hullo thar ronin
For any one who thinks that being with Beredette is good for Maytag, I have proof that it's not on page 2. She's turning her back on everything that made her such a unique, engaging and adorable character in the first place.
That's not proof, that's wild conjecture you made up because you hate Bernadette. Maytag would still be just as lovable and interesting without her sex addiction (even if it isn't a sex addiction). If anything it will make her more likable, since a good deal of the the people who have problems with May (like me) will have one less thing to complain about. Besides, she's not turning her back on anything: May made this decision independent of Bern. You need to stop blaming every choice May makes that you don't like on Bernadette. If Bern decided she was okay with threesomes, would I hate it? Yes, but I wouldn't claim May was pushing her into it. Maytag and Bernadette are responsible for their own choices, and you need to see that. When May decides to do something you don't want her to do, it's not automatically nasty old Bernadette pulling poor May's strings.
No. That's not it at all. What makes her so awsome is that she's a free spirit. She's joyful and isn't tied down, she lives her life by the beat of her own drummer and doesn't let others define her. She's a cute, irrepressible imp! Look at her now, and the fire has gone out of her eyes. She is like a caged bird.
But how can you blame Bernadette when May is the one who walked into the "cage" and locked the door, and when she has the key right there behind the bars with her and simply chooses not to open the door? All Bern did was build the cage, yet you blame her for May's self-imprisonment? That's silly.
In addition: I harshly resent your implication that monogamy is a cage. The implication that all people in monogamous relationships are incapable of being free spirits, being joyful, or defining themselves is also offensive. Entering into a loving relationship with one person does not tie your soul to them forever and ever. One in a monogamous relationship is still their own person. It really says a lot about your opinion of Maytag that you think she's not strong enough to maintain her own personality just because she decided to stopped slutting for the woman she loves.
Do you know why the caged bird sings?
Becuase it can no longer fly, that's why.
I don't want to get personal here, but aren't you married or something? I hope you don't consider yourself caged.
She only chose it becuase she was backed into a corner.
Oh, that is such a load. Bernadette is not Maytag's god, she's her girlfriend. Backed into a corner? She's entirely capable of removing herself from the situation. If May really wanted to keep her lifestyle going, she would leave Bern. She can't have her cake and eat it too, and now she's "dying"? Boo-fuckity-hoo. She's growing up, Ronin. She's behaving like a rational adult and making her choice between two mutually exclusive things she wants, and she's not expecting her lover to cave and let her have everything. Bern even just tried to essentially give her a free pass to keep cheating for a while longer until she's "over the phase", and May said no. How can you possibly blame that on Bern?
Of course, I don't think there is any blame here, because blame implies there's a problem. I think this is good for both of them.
It's not what she really wants. I mean look at her.
She's under the effects of a spell right now. Of course she looks weird.
If Bernedette really wanted Maytag to be happy, she wouldn't let her do this.
Are we reading the same page!? Fourth panel.
Bern: May...
May: I've made up my mind.
This is, if anything, Bern realizing that May is changing herself. Bern is apprehensive about that, since getting over a phase is a natural progression of someone's life, while a conscious decision to change is not. May's mind is set, though, because she's willing to do this for the person she loves most.
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Whatever. We'll see.
And thanks for all the animosity by the way.
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Well I still think it sucks.
If Bernedette really wanted Maytag to be happy, she wouldn't let her do this. [pout/] >:(
If Maytag really wanted Bern to be happy, she'd insist on doing it.
Gotta love those kind of "I want you to be happy" crossroads moments.
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And thanks for all the animosity by the way.
So you can scream for Bern to die in a fire and get all melodramatic over how May is a caged, dying bird, but if I'm sarcastic with you I get called on it? Please. XD
Anyways, you've been ragging on Bern for this and that no matter how calmly I explained to you that she's not necessarily in the wrong. Did you honestly expect I wouldn't lose my patience with you at some point? If you don't want to hear people's opinions on your opinion, don't tell them your opinion. It's a two-way street.
However, I did get on your back for getting overly-passionate and using the term "resent" last time we debated, so I do apologize for that bit of hypocrisy.
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You know what?
I didn't expect it,I though May would try another fight about her beliefs and nature and such.
But I must say I'm pleased with current development,indeed someone is maturing here a lot.
And saying that only May is being giver here,well Bern always supported her,and also she didn't do anything even she knew she was cheated on,which must hurt her a hell,even May didn't feel right when she cheated by doing it.
But I wonder how this will play out in a physical aspect,let's say Bern can satisfy May lust for women,but what with men,since May is bi,and for sure Bern can't satisfy her in such way a man can(of course I'm not telling that a lesbian can't satisfy a woman or anything sexist like that here),I think that for May this fight will be more difficult than any fights she had so far.
At least Bern should let May do what she wants with her body,like showing it nude(like the modeling case) without any problems now,the only think which should not be allowed are like May said sexual things.
If we look at it Crest has the same morals in relationships Bern does.
Also Crest would be a good candidate for Regina(I hope she will show sometime again) ;)
As for chapter cover,a big foursome on Crest with some gags maybe and looking at these characters it's possible,would be nice :D
Somehow making Crest feel uncomfortable in a funny way is always something I'm not bored to see.
Will Crest loose his virginity in this comic storyline or he will stay in his emo virgin mode as pernament character stat?
I hope we will get an answer soon...
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Ronin, I appreciate that you are so passionate about my characters, but in this thread you really need to restrain your passion a little bit. Please be careful posting remarks that you know will stir people up. If you want to make your own thread where you rant about Bernadette, that's fine, then you can be as passionate as you want.
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Between Bernadette and Maytag what we have is a merging of the conservative with the liberal.
Brion is painting a wonderful story of how tolerance and compromise fueled by love can overcome such vast differences in thinking and lifestyle.
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Well said, Charles, well said.
(I also think this new developement is better for them both.)
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Between Bernadette and Maytag what we have is a merging of the conservative with the liberal.
Brion is painting a wonderful story of how tolerance and compromise fueled by love can overcome such vast differences in thinking and lifestyle.
Oh, jeez, let's not bring political metaphors into this...
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Between Bernadette and Maytag what we have is a merging of the conservative with the liberal.
Brion is painting a wonderful story of how tolerance and compromise fueled by love can overcome such vast differences in thinking and lifestyle.
Oh, jeez, let's not bring political metaphors into this...
It's okay, it's not like he said either was bad!
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Damn, I really need to get used to the idea that this whole comic is in slow motion...
A friggin' week... When I first read it it took me a few seconds to realize what she was talking about. I was in the mindset that they were in BM's town for at least a few weeks.
Hey, wait a minute. If they left Crest's town just a week ago, how come it took the Phalanx so much time to get to BM's town? Didn't Vajra say something about the closest town being a few weeks away on foot? I'm probably missing something here... and I'm too lazy to go back and read it again >.>
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Between Bernadette and Maytag what we have is a merging of the conservative with the liberal.
Brion is painting a wonderful story of how tolerance and compromise fueled by love can overcome such vast differences in thinking and lifestyle.
Oh, jeez, let's not bring political metaphors into this...
It's okay, it's not like he said either was bad!
And they're not. But what can be bad is one side trying to force its ideals of conservatisim or liberalisim onto the other.
Thats the beautiful thing about Maytag and Bernadette. Although they come from opposite ends of the spectrum, they're not trying to force either of their own ideals upon the other but rather they're pushing themselves to tolerate and accept each other. Certainly, Maytag has expressed how she would like to have Bern be more liberal and share an open relationship with her, just as Bern has now expressed that she'd like Maytag to settle down with her alone. But neither has forced their thinking upon the other.
They are, however, voluntarily compromising on their beliefs and actions because of their love for one another. Maytag understands that while Bern can tolerate her sexual escapades, it still hurts her, just as Bern has come to understand that while Maytag can tone down her urges, it makes her feel trapped. So they're working together to find a common ground where Maytag can pose for nude drawings and have her nights on the town while Bern can still feel like their affections and bond is something unique and special between them.
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Random: I wonder if sex in a magical carriage is anything like sex in a car?
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Add static electricity to the car and I think you'd be right on ;D
@Malki: Yeah, I thought that too. They said it was 2 weeks walk to Eschelon and Brahma is about 1/3 of the way there so it was probably 5 days walking there, then I think they had 4 days in Brahma (1 day Messin' with Mary and 3 days wait after she went missing from her cave). So we're probably more like a week and a half but "about a week ago" probably covers it.
As for the Phalanx's response, it would have taken a week and a half for the messenger to get there on foot (only after they'd finally sent someone) then some time for the Conclave to deliberate on a response before sending Qtalda's team out in the carriage. That would have given Suspira and Kinn the time to get there 3 days ahead of 'em (probably using a lot of magick flight, or an off-road shortcut).
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Wow, very nice and unexpected (for me at least), good to see Maytag growing as a character.
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Thats the beautiful thing about Maytag and Bernadette. Although they come from opposite ends of the spectrum, they're not trying to force either of their own ideals upon the other but rather they're pushing themselves to tolerate and accept each other. Certainly, Maytag has expressed how she would like to have Bern be more liberal and share an open relationship with her, just as Bern has now expressed that she'd like Maytag to settle down with her alone. But neither has forced their thinking upon the other.
They are, however, voluntarily compromising on their beliefs and actions because of their love for one another. Maytag understands that while Bern can tolerate her sexual escapades, it still hurts her, just as Bern has come to understand that while Maytag can tone down her urges, it makes her feel trapped. So they're working together to find a common ground where Maytag can pose for nude drawings and have her nights on the town while Bern can still feel like their affections and bond is something unique and special between them.
I must congratulate you, Charles. :-* You have expressed my own views so perfectly that you spared me a hundred words of my usual verbosity, to be replaced by a simple "I agree".
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Forget all that. I want to know what happened to Bloody Mary. I'm kind of hoping but not expecting that the little face-wrapped magician girl-woman (I forgot her name) won't get her.
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@Enikida: There was a side-story on Bloody Mary posted here not long ago which followed what became of her, but it's been removed now and will be included as exclusive content for the printed "Book 4" when it comes out.
I will say that she was still alive by that story's end so its possible that she'll show up again later in the comic (maybe even this very chapter).
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*APPLAUDS*
Beautiful Brion, just beautiful.
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*cue*
AWWWWwww...
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What they said.
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Great. :-*
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Bern's hands look really nicely drawn on this page. Good on ya, Brion.
Also they are saying all this stuff in front of everyone else in the carriage. Awwwwwkwarrrd....
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Crest seems to be taking to this "oh, dear, my plan to get Maytag totally got obsolete" situation better than Nessy's "oh, crap, my plan to bag Maytag totally backfired" complaining.
Maybe I'm reading too much in Crest's lack of angsty reaction at realizing that now he'lll probably never get his crush, but seems coherent with the character (read: spine) growth he's shown since Lady Bernadette :-* is teaching him. He's not just able to rally Vajra to overcome fear and help Bern: he's also able to rally himself to take a huge romantic blow with some dignity.
Nessy, OTOH... She just out-emoed Emo Crest big time. I half expect her running to update her SorceryJournal account with "F*** my life" comments and/or bad poetry. No idea if Brion has any character growth planned for her, but she still acts pretty inmature. (Even though she had a few wake-up calls to maturity in the last few chapters, she seems to have hit the "snooze" button).
Also, Crest got cute puppy eyes in panel 2 :)
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Best Gaijin Manga lesbian kiss EVER.
Too many try to put sexuality into it, but this is just beautiful to behold.
Poor Inverness. She's lost without her Kin.
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Get the feeling Nessy is going to go on a rampage soon. (should of stayed at home in the Loch)
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She's surprisingly adorable when shes not being a complete asshat.
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I feel bad for suspira. But I am glad everyone else is happy for now.
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I don't know...like Ronin was saying earlier, I think May just died a little inside. And by a little I mean a lot. I don't really see this as a happy point in the comic. Well I guess technically, she cut out that part of herself about a week ago, but I think you can't do something like that without dying a little.
edit more: However, it may be worth it. I sure hope so. I mean, I probably would have made the same decision. I mean, it's Bern we're talking about here.
Will she fail though and go back on her best intentions? I think she's strong enough to see it through, and values honesty enough to not go behind Bern's back (again ::)), but will her spirit get the best of her?
edit: As for Nessy, I think she's justified in feeling jealous. Sure, she vocalized it, which may not have been totally polite or whatnot, but May and Bern also just sapped around gratuitously about their relationship and then made out in front of everyone. It's a comic - everyone's obviously vocalizing and expressing and slapping truth spells on each other more publicly than real people might.
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Why do people keep calling Suspira "Iverness" or "Nessy" or whatever? :'(
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Bam I got it first guess: http://www.flipsidecomics.com/comic.php?i=557 (http://www.flipsidecomics.com/comic.php?i=557)
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I might be mistaken but Nessy was Kin's nickname for her, and I think that Iverness is her actual name?
Edit: Damn you I was gonna do that
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;D
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I don't know...like Ronin was saying earlier, I think May just died a little inside. And by a little I mean a lot. I don't really see this as a happy point in the comic. Well I guess technically, she cut out that part of herself about a week ago, but I think you can't do something like that without dying a little.
Even if she did die some inside (which she probably did) she was under the influence of the nagelring spell, which does not Force truth but strongly compels it. So we can assume shes being truthful, meaning she is obviously willing to give up apart of herself for he love. From what I've observed from movies, life, and other random things, this is definitely an "aww, how sweet" moment.
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Yeah I'm just not sure if I support monogamy as a natural human condition, while I do believe the best way to be a whole, healthy, complete, and powerful person is to live within one's nature.
Something like that anyway.
I feel like relationships are psychologically healthier in small doses. Life is more about our relationship to ourselves than our faithfulness to another. For a free bird to be caged in the spirit of "love", which is really just another word for "need" or at least codependency, seems more like a tragedy to me.
But having said all that, I probably would have made the same choice, so *shrug*. In fact, I made almost that same choice in my life, with some differences, but very similar. So I hope it works out for May because maybe that means there's hope for me. But in the end, I have to say I was happier and healthier when I was single. What I gained is a sense of purpose and commitment, but those feel more like heavy weights to bear than sources of great happiness. *shrug* I dunno, I have mixed feelings...
edit: no, I shouldn't say I have mixed feelings...I have thoughts that tell me that I'm better off being a productive, upstanding, normal, whatever, member of society. My feelings pretty much hate it all the time, even though I do love my SO.
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1. "even though I do love my SO." SO?
Yeah I'm just not sure if I support monogamy as a natural human condition, while I do believe the best way to be a whole, healthy, complete, and powerful person is to live within one's nature.
B. I'm not really sure how if it's human nature or not really makes a difference in this particular situation >.>;
And finally point Orange. Pie
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1. SO: significant other. My wifey. I do "love" her a lot - she's a good egg and we're very compatible. I still say that what we usually call "love" is mostly need though.
B. Just trying to explain why I see it more as a tragic moment than a happy one. It's bittersweet at best to me. Just my own feeling. The rest of my post was meant to tie that statement together with my overall view of the situation. However, I should say that monogamy does seem to come perfectly naturally to some people.
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I wish Crest and Suspi would end up together. I dunno but I have a feeling like it's SO obvious.
And he DOES need to catch a break at some point... >.>
EDIT:
Maybe I'm reading too much in Crest's lack of angsty reaction at realizing that now he'lll probably never get his crush, but seems coherent with the character (read: spine) growth he's shown since Lady Bernadette :-* is teaching him. He's not just able to rally Vajra to overcome fear and help Bern: he's also able to rally himself to take a huge romantic blow with some dignity.
Well technically he has been her student for just over a week now, so I don't know if it's correct to assume it was her influence. I think it was just the extraordionary situations he's been put in lately that forced him to take actions.
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Crest has puppy dog eyes! Or cute hamster eyes. Completely unexpected and utterly compelling. He's such a voyeuristic fanboy!
,,,,,,,,,, o_O
(http://akashayi.net/koremite/hamstercrest.png)
o_O
It's also good that at this point Suspiria is too drained to throw a proper Suspiria tantrum.
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the little face-wrapped magician girl-woman (I forgot her name)
Genkai
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Crest has puppy dog eyes! Or cute hamster eyes. Completely unexpected and utterly compelling. He's such a voyeuristic fanboy!
,,,,,,,,,, o_O
(http://akashayi.net/koremite/hamstercrest.png)
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It's also good that at this point Suspiria is too drained to throw a proper Suspiria tantrum.
So are you.
So am I.
So is just about everyone here.
Watching chicks make out inspires the exact same reaction in me, and proud of it. ;)
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Bandage Face = Qtalda
@Malki: There's some information in the printed books that makes be think a relationship between Crest and Suspira would be disasterous. It does seem like a good match on the surface but this tid bit of information made me realise just where it would lead. But that doesn't mean that both of them can't grow and become a better match. Inverness hasn't shown growth in as far as we've seen her, but only a few years ago, she was described as a shy, quiet girl before her powers begun to manifest.
It wouldn't surprise me if she's looked down on as a commoner at the University. I get the impression that only the rich can afford to put their children through the education of the University, unless they become a Vespel sorcerer. Inverness has had a free ride, thanks to the breaking of her seals without disolving tests.
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Whoa, little of the insensitive with the PDA right in the face (and they're sitting across from her in a cart, so literally RIGHT in the face) of the girl who just had her partner/boyfriend killed.
Or has enough comic-time already passed for her to have gotten over him?
Otherwise I agree Crest's face was a poem in this one, and with good reason.
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Or has enough comic-time already passed for her to have gotten over him?
It's probably only been like a day, maybe two.
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It's probably only been like a day, maybe two.
Are you kidding me... She's not being emo then... she's pretty much the only one on the page who's acting halfway normal :o
And yet!! I'm aware that this kind of stuff works differently in comics, so yeah, either way :)
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Okay, Maytag. You made a promise to permanently go cold turkey on the hanky-panky to Bern. I'd shutter on thinking what would happen if you broke your promise...
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It's probably only been like a day, maybe two.
Are you kidding me... She's not being emo then... she's pretty much the only one on the page who's acting halfway normal :o
It's been about 4 days since Kin died.
3 DAYS LATER (http://www.flipsidecomics.com/comic.php?i=716)
But yeah. It'll still be quite fresh in her memory. But Heck, she started this thing with her Nagelring. Can't help it if her actions just brought Bern and Maytag closer together rather than further apart as she was aiming for.
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Charles said:
But yeah. It'll still be quite fresh in her memory. But Heck, she started this thing with her Nagelring. Can't help it if her actions just brought Bern and Maytag closer together rather than further apart as she was aiming for.
That's exactly what I had in mind when I said she just outemoed Crest. Everyone has the right to be devastated when a close one dies (I should know), but choosing to lash out against the ones who actually tried to help you deal with the grief is maybe not the most mature thing to do.
Please note that doing such thing in the anger of the moment while they are trying to comfort you is actually quite common, but doing that a few days later, in cold blood, out of petty jealousy, is not something that... everyone... would do. No, Suspiria is NOT being the one behaving "normally" in the car. Personally, I feel Crest -of all people!- is the only one doing so.
Also, crying "not fair" when one's actions have undesired consequences, instead of taking responsability for/dealing with one's said actions, is SOOO emo it's just a few "call for atention" wrist cuts away from Nessy dressing in black, wearing too much black eyeliner, and writting depressingly bad poetry. The pretentious nickname she already got covered.
So I don't like Suspiria. So what? I use the screen name of a good sorceress, disliking petty, selfish ones is a given ;-)
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There are plenty of stages to the grieving process, and being emo is only part of it.
Oh, and Bandage Face is still == Bandage Face
Qtalda nothing :P
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Not to be confused with griefing.
BRB SHOOTING MY TEAMMATES.
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For a free bird to be caged in the spirit of "love", which is really just another word for "need" or at least codependency, seems more like a tragedy to me.
The act of sacrificing yourself for those you love, or letting them go without a fight because you want them to be happy, seems to say otherwise. Love is entirely too complicated to be summed up as simple "need". People have been trying and failing to describe love for thousands of years.
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For a free bird to be caged in the spirit of "love", which is really just another word for "need" or at least codependency, seems more like a tragedy to me.
The act of sacrificing yourself for those you love, or letting them go without a fight because you want them to be happy, seems to say otherwise. Love is entirely too complicated to be summed up as simple "need". People have been trying and failing to describe love for thousands of years.
I could crack a half-hidden reference about sacrifying in behalf of the one you love, but that would be too obvious, given my name. So I won't. Let's just say that Xshu is right and Umber is not, renouncing to things in behalf of your loved one is not codependency, *IS* love.
Codependency is something much more extreme, it ammounts, once all is said and done, to not having a life of your own and expecting the other also not to have it. I know because I had someone being codependent about me (and I'm not talking about the character I'm roleplaying, I'm talking real world) and it was pretty hard. As opossed to that someone loving me (and vice-versa), for whom I agreed to things I formerly thought never would agree (and you all get your minds out of the gutter! I'm not talking dirty here!).
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Not to be confused with griefing.
BRB SHOOTING MY TEAMMATES.
Only valid answer to that being,
LOL (DUST PLZ)
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Well I still say that what we usually call love is a trade, which I would say is on the same continuum as codependency. Perhaps it's not necessarily what we think of as an unhealthy level of codependency, but it's still along the same lines.
I have X and Y that I need, emotionally, physically, etc. You have A, B, and C that you need. We are compatible if we can fill most of the other's needs fairly well, so we partner up. However it usually ends up that there are also needs LMNOP which one or the other has that are not entirely met. Perhaps those can only be met by other people, or perhaps one or the other person is more needy than the other can fulfill, or they have like, unfulfillable needs due to emotional problems (which might result in what we call unhealthy codependency).
I still say it's a trade, more than some mystical superawesome unexplainable thing.
There's also 1) infatuation, the stage of love where you lose your mind and can't stop thinking of someone, which I suspect is a result of a procreationally-directed instinct and 2) don't know the word but there's something psychologically that happens when you care about something over a period of time, that it becomes entertwined with the sense of self, which definitely happens in long-term relationships, so those two components are added in there, making "love" appear to be something more than what it is.
But the truth is, if you're not terribly needy, you're not going to feel a whole lot of what people talk about as being "Love", especially after the infatuation phase is over. This is why a lot of relationships involving people who are not thinking people fail or become unnecessarily dramatic, as people try to get back to the feeling of intense attraction for the other.. it's pretty impossible to maintain a relationship based on emotion alone. Putting your intention and care into it brings out a whole nother set of emotions, which we also lump in with "love".
Spiritual teachings indicate that the highest attainment for humans is not a monogamous relationship, even a "soul mate" relationship, though it is possible to get very high through that route, if done with the right mindset. This rings true to me. At higher levels, the person does not experience emotional need which must be met by another person. They are able to only give. Their heart overflows with love that they can only give to others.
I don't have all the answers, and I'm not really explaining myself fully enough. Maybe people will differ with my opinion, but please forgive me if I don't debate a whole lot more. It's not that I don't want to, it's just a lot of typing! :) edit: sorry, that's a butthead thing to say. It's almost just like "I think I'm right, so I'm not gonna talk about it anymore". I mean, tell me I'm wrong if you want, when I find the time I will probably rebut. /edit
then again, maybe I'll neglect what I should be doing some more and keep debating!
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Well, Umber, you've got one more with similiar ideas over here ;D
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Hey, look. The chapter title. :D
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Hey, look. The chapter title. :D
he said it! he said it! :family guy:
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My prediction for the future: Poor Suspiria, who's completely passed out from all that magic, will suddenly wake up naked in a bed with twins.
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I can certainly picture Maytag having a popcorn moment on that...
http://www.menagea3.net/d/20080624.html
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Hahahaha.... That's super funny, Erana. Though I think Maytag seems more the type to join the fun.
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Well, the whole point can be resumed in "not anymore"... so Bern, dear, now it's up to you the whole task of providing us with random Maytag nudes and sex scenes. I know it's a hard job, but someone has to do it!
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Well, thats day 1/3 travel over... Considering the last 9 chapters took about 2 days, this carriage ride could take a while before we're finally in Eschelon and beginning to resolve Bern's quest for Grant and the 2nd sword.
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zlol xshu is on a rant again surprise surprise
Well I still say that what we usually call love is a trade, which I would say is on the same continuum as codependency. Perhaps it's not necessarily what we think of as an unhealthy level of codependency, but it's still along the same lines.
Well sure, in the same sense that a hobby is somewhere along the same lines as an addiction, or a knife is somewhere along the same lines as a sword. It should be fairly obvious that comparing love to codependency would set off some bells in peoples' heads.
I have X and Y that I need, emotionally, physically, etc. You have A, B, and C that you need. We are compatible if we can fill most of the other's needs fairly well, so we partner up.
That sounds like dating to me. That doesn't sound anything like love. Anyone who "decides" to fall in love like that is really not getting the concept of love.
However it usually ends up that there are also needs LMNOP which one or the other has that are not entirely met.
Yes, dating is a pain in the ass.
Perhaps those can only be met by other people, or perhaps one or the other person is more needy than the other can fulfill, or they have like, unfulfillable needs due to emotional problems (which might result in what we call unhealthy codependency).
Seeing multiple people seems to me like it would be ultimately unsatisfying; especially if they were also seeing other people. You're trying to fill all of your needs, but you're doing it with multiple people. Now if you need M you have to go to one person, and if you need B you have to leave and seek out another. And what if person with B and N is busy with one of her other lovers? Well, now you're shit out of luck. It seems to me like it would be easier to just find one person who you want to spend the rest of your life with and stick it out with them, and just accept that maybe M and N are just not going to happen. Love does require work, and compromise is part of that work.
I still say it's a trade, more than some mystical superawesome unexplainable thing.
The two are not mutually exclusive. Love can easily be described as a trade while retaining all of its ineffable properties.
There's also 1) infatuation, the stage of love where you lose your mind and can't stop thinking of someone, which I suspect is a result of a procreationally-directed instinct and 2) don't know the word but there's something psychologically that happens when you care about something over a period of time, that it becomes entertwined with the sense of self, which definitely happens in long-term relationships, so those two components are added in there, making "love" appear to be something more than what it is.
How does that make it "appear" to be more than what it is? I believe it simply is what it is, without need of appearing any greater. You make it sound as though an emotional attachment so powerful that it becomes integrated into your sense of self is somehow being blown out of proportion. I argue that this in and of itself is remarkable. The only other emotion capable of doing that is hate, which occurs much less frequently.
But the truth is, if you're not terribly needy, you're not going to feel a whole lot of what people talk about as being "Love", especially after the infatuation phase is over.
I somehow get the feeling that your definition of "terribly needy" is not that of the general public. Neither of my parents are needy people, and they maintain a relationship based on their love for one-another. The same can be said for my grandparents, and the parents of all of my friends whose parents are still together. You seem to be grouping love and crushes into the same category. That's silly. Love is something beautiful that's nurtured for a long period of time. Infatuation that doesn't lead anywhere is a crush or "puppy love".
This is why a lot of relationships involving people who are not thinking people fail or become unnecessarily dramatic, as people try to get back to the feeling of intense attraction for the other..
A lot of relationships fail because the people in those relationships aren't compatible. That's what dating is: you spend time with prospective mates until you find someone you don't ever want to leave your life, and then you foster that relationship. Staying with one and trying to force it, or not even really paying attention to who you're with and "falling in love with love" is what causes divorce.
it's pretty impossible to maintain a relationship based on emotion alone.
That's only true in the Romeo and Juliet sense of "if people are gunning for you, love is not going to pull your ass out of the fire". Every happy marriage on Earth is evidence contrary to your claim, and I personally have seen my share of happy marriages.
Putting your intention and care into it brings out a whole nother set of emotions, which we also lump in with "love".
Wait, what? No, the fact that love is an amalgamation of different emotions is part of what makes it special to begin with. That's what makes it so ineffable. There are entirely too many things one feels while in love to properly describe what's happening.
Spiritual teachings indicate that the highest attainment for humans is not a monogamous relationship, even a "soul mate" relationship, though it is possible to get very high through that route, if done with the right mindset.
"Spiritual teachings"? What teachings are these, exactly? Buddhism is the only religion I've ever heard of that treated romantic love like an obstacle. Well, Buddhism and Jedi. By contrast, Christianity goes as far as to claim that whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. Every polytheistic religion I can think of has at least one god dedicated to love. I'm not sure there are many religions that don't glorify love in some way or another.
This rings true to me. At higher levels, the person does not experience emotional need which must be met by another person. They are able to only give. Their heart overflows with love that they can only give to others.
Buddhism, then?
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Christianity doesn't like romantic love either. It's all about "unconditional" love, which is basically just compassion.
There's a couple verses saying it's better not to get married because then you'll love your wife more than God, or something.
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I disagree. (http://christianity.about.com/od/prayersverses/qt/versesaboutlove.htm)
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I disagree. (http://christianity.about.com/od/prayersverses/qt/versesaboutlove.htm)
Aside from the Song of Solomon ones, and a couple others, those aren't about romantic love.
What I referenced was 1st Corinthians 7:
Verse 32: But I would have you without carefulness. He that is unmarried careth for the things that belong to the Lord, how he may please the Lord:
Verse 33: But he that is married careth for the things that are of the world, how he may please his wife.
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Might I suggest we take the debate on LOVE to the debate area.
TOPIC CAN BE FOUND HERE (http://www.flipsidecomics.com/forum/index.php?topic=152.0)
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Good idea, thanks Charles.
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Oh god I'm a topic derailer. I need help.
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I can certainly picture Maytag having a popcorn moment on that...
http://www.menagea3.net/d/20080624.html
Yeah. I am going to check that comic out. Looks entertaining. Thank you erana! :-*
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@Ronin: yeah I read it and its a good laugh.
ON TOPIC: Hey! I just noticed that the Bed & Breakfast sign appears to be floating. Its not posted in the ground there, its held down to the ground with a chain.
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Oh no you don't, Glyph. You don't get Nessie all to yourself.
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WHAT, WILL, CREST, DO?
On one hand, Glyph and Suspiria are probably colleagues, while Crest and Suspiria barely know each other, so it would be a little weird to insist on holding her.
On the other hand, Suspiria's shown pretty clearly that she's grossed out by Glyph.
Hmmmmm!
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Hmmm.... Glyph seems like he is being nice and taking care of Suspira.
I wonder if we should trust him? ??? :-\ >:(
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WHAT, WILL, CREST, DO?
On one hand, Glyph and Suspiria are probably colleagues, while Crest and Suspiria barely know each other, so it would be a little weird to insist on holding her.
On the other hand, Suspiria's shown pretty clearly that she's grossed out by Glyph.
Hmmmmm!
What? WWCD?
Is there a shrine you're not telling us about? :o
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He's prolly going to grope her.
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Uck. Glyph is such a perv. ::)
Wonder if he has a crush on Suspira sense before she was in the comic? ???
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Lol, you guys are terrible! Glyph wouldn't do anything like that. While sneaking peeks at the girls in the carriage is underhanded, it's underhanded in a really juvenile sort of way. Groping Suspiria while she's weakened crosses the line into real asshole territory & sets him up to get his tush handed to him when she gets her powers back. Plus if Bern caught him doing anything untoward he'd, like, loose a limb! He's horny, not stupid... right? Plus, it may soon turn out that this particular bed & breakfast knows how to really treat a lonely guy who's got an itch to scratch which is why he stopped here and also add more reason for him not needing to cop a feel off of his fellow passengers.
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He'll probably just use a floating spell, much like Moss used on Maytag. She's wearing pants, so he can't look up her a dress or skirt, etc.
I can't tell if he's talking down to Crest or not here. His own name is monosyllabic *shrug*
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At first I thought he was insulting Crest too, but since his own name is monosyllabic...
I'm also thinking he's politely getting rid of Crest because he's an outsider to the phalanx, as opposed to some perverted reason.
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Maybe Glyph is trying to keep Crest from getting attached to Nessy? For her benefit, as she just lost Kindred and needs some emotional recovery time.
Or for Crest's sake, as Nessy doesn't seem like the greatest person to get close to at the best of times. She doesn't exactly treat people, friends or otherwise, very well. And it isn't hard to guess how she'd treat Crest, considering he's a bit of a pushover.
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That'd be hot. :-[
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Wow! :-[
Crest is oftly cuuuute when he's angsty. :-[
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(And, incendently, I agree with him.)
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Is this what you want Maytag?
Or do you want to have sex with me and some hot twins? Come on, help a virgin out.
(http://www.akashayi.net/koremite/hamstercrest.png)
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Crest, we had this discussion like, five pages ago.
(Heck, what he needs to do is try and convince Bern that a threesome with her, him, and Maytag would be just fine).
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he needs to be trained in the use of his sword.
Now that she's established dominance over Glyph, I think Bern's going to demand that Suspiria be taken to hers and May's room in the name of "keeping her safe", and then the two of them are going to play pervy games with her passed-out body all night. It's going to take up the rest of the chapter.
It'll get interesting sometime after midnight when the big dude from the cover gets involved and Crest is forced into his monkey-boy costume.
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Monkey boy costume?
I thought we agreed that Crest would be forced into becoming a cat boy, Umber.
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Oh! Crest would look ADORABLE as a cat boy! :-*
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"Is this what you really want Maytag?"
I'm not sure if I should read that as genuine concern or pure creepiness.
What Maytag wants is an open relationship with Bern.
http://www.flipsidecomics.com/comic.php?i=594
http://www.flipsidecomics.com/comic.php?i=595
Unfortunately its the old "You can't have your cake and eat it scenario" since she's arrived at a point where her two great desires are conflicting. Bern herself made a similar choice some time ago to push through the hurt she fealt at Maytag's cheating and decided to carry on because of her love for Maytag. We could all argue that Bern should just learn to enjoy an open relationship and argue the logic in it to absolute death, but in matters of the heart and feelings, logic falls short. Her feelings on the subject are part of who she is, but she'll still push herself on it (as she's already done for some time) because of her love for Maytag, just as Maytag will push herself because of her love for Bern. Ultimately, they'll both feel some angst and hurt as their feelings are pushed somewhere between the conservative and the liberal but they'll find their love for each other will make it all worthwhile.
P.S. did Bern just call Glyph 'buddy'? That sounds like such a strange word for her to use *lol*
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I sure hope that Da- that guy from the cover isn't gay. That would be so upsetting.
what's that? O_o
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Monkey boy costume?
I thought we agreed that Crest would be forced into becoming a cat boy, Umber.
Akashayi, I'm surprised at you.
You would limit someone to just one animal costume?
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I wouldn't dream of limiting the fun to be had...
But the cat boy outfit must come first. Cat boy crest for great justice!
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I disagree. Cat ears are made of win. Crest in cat ears would be the cutest... thing... ever! :-*
Monkey suits don't come with special ears so poo on them!
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Surely we couldn't deny Ladybug Crest
(http://www.flagshipfancydress.co.uk/ekmps/shops/flagshipenterp/images/sexy_ladybird.jpg)
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Yes... I totally could.
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So how about it, Brion? Going to submit to the will of your loving fans and draw a bunch of Crests in various costumes? ;P
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I like the idea of Crest in a ladybug-costume.
But now he's just being silly. It's just wishful thinking - he wants May to himself!
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Ok, that's the second-creepiest moment I've seen with Crest so far.
First of course being this one (http://www.flipsidecomics.com/comic.php?i=420). Although one a continuation of the other, so maybe they count as the same...
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Man, Crest really just needs to get laid.
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Yes.
Yes, he does. :-\
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Don't we all?
I'd totally do Crest, just because I think he's the kind that cuddles afterwards. Yeaaah.
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I haven't been really impressed by any of the male characters in flipside so far... Moss only made me want to blow his brains out.
Bring in the female fanservice already, Brion! Glyph doesn't count! And we haven't seen Crest naked a -single- time!
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HOLY C#@P! Iscatiot has a religion with a single deity at it's head. And Bern believes in it! (although she's not overly commited apparently).
See the current vote insentive.
@Razzly: What about Dirk (http://www.flipsidecomics.com/comic.php?i=179)? and don't forget THIS (http://www.flipsidecomics.com/comic.php?i=283) :P
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Charles: I forgot about Dirk! Yeah, he's hot. <3 ...And that chibi-nakedness doesn't count. ;_;
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MMmm, "Is this what you really want Maytag?" Uhhh duh Crest, she's under a truth spell, what do you think? She's taken by someone that's more of a man than you, sheesh.
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@rachel12: *ROFL* good call, but I guess there was a bit of pussy footing around the truth spell 'cos she didn't say thats what she wants but, rather, thats what she'll do and thats what she decided to do about a week ago. What she wants (as she stated some time ago) is an open relationship with Bern, but she can't have that so at the point of choosing to hurt or possibly loose Bern by continuing to cheat or give up some of her sexual freedoms, she's chosen her desire for Bern and Bern's happiness over the freedoms. I can only guess that we'll have to wait and see if this turns out to be something she's really keen on. After all, part of the reason she's remained as happy as she is in her relationship is by simply keeping Bern ignorant of her frivolous side and cheating. Now their relationship is entering a new phase for both of them were instead of ignoring or avoiding the differences they're going to try and remain honest with each other and actively seek compromises, which will push ideals and desires for both of them.
We can only wait and see, but I think their relationship isn't out of the fire yet. Its only just beginning to be forged in it.
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Surely we couldn't deny Ladybug Crest
(http://www.flagshipfancydress.co.uk/ekmps/shops/flagshipenterp/images/sexy_ladybird.jpg)
i fully support this.
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OOOOOH SPOOKY! :-[
I like it! :D
And that "Jugemental Jane" comment was comic gold! :D
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For some reason I'm thinking about the mansion scene in Ghost in the Shell: Innocence. Foreboding, much?
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I wonder how many other guests are staying there. Its a bl**dy big bed and breakfast so you'd expect them to have more guests than the ones that just rocked up.
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And that "Jugemental Jane" comment was comic gold! :D
I thought you were going to like it, too, when I read that page. ::)
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I wunder how much they charge per night? had to stay in a few up north, when the weather turned bad for roughing it, that charged a bluddy fortune. and is there a evening meal too?
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Since Glyph did say he's "sure" they are very nice people, (Edit: meaning he doesn't know them) I'd wager he's in for a big surprise.
Now, I'd link to a few "surprise buttsecks!" demotivators, but I'm roleplaying the name of a GOOD character, mind you. So I won't. But he's oh SOOOO askin for it...
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Bern: "Whatever you say there, Pervy Pete!"
not funny at all, I know, sorry ::)
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Man, I need one of those shirtless door opening.. slaveboy construct things.
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Shouldn't Frank appear a little bit later? I mean, Magenta wasn't even here yet. (And Riff Raff didn't say a single word.)
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How did we get the name Frank for 'Big Hair'?
Did I miss or forget a mention of him somewhere?
Who's guessing that the flower tat on 'Shirtless' is some kind of Enchantment/Asphyxia?
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oh......OH MY GOD. my brain just broke. D:
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Well, somebody feels fabulous.
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Oh wow, I feel like I just stepped into Jojo's Bizarre Adventure!
I thought that as soon as I saw the cover to this chapter too. Is the similarity between the fabulous-ness intentional? lol
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It's *true*.
ELVIS IS EVERYWHERE. ELVIS IS EVERYTHING. ELVIS IS EVERYBODY.
ELVIS IS STILL THE KING.
:-*
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but Elvis is dead, dead as the Dodo's :'(
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4 words for page 10:
ROCKY HORROR PICTURE SHOW!
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How did we get the name Frank for 'Big Hair'?
No, that was just me, getting a Rocky Horror flashback with this scene.
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Ib4 Bern facepalms. I know I would, and I don't have a low opinion about sorcerers...
chibi-Bern: "...So, Pervy Pete, what did you say of me being judgemental?" ::)
chibi-Glyph: "OK, you might have had a point, he doesn't look all that normal." :-\
chibi-May: "Mmmm... open shirt... ideas coming to mind... control, control, you must learn control" :P
normal Crest: "Why every single male we meet is more flamboyant than me? :o and, why I'm the only non-chibi here?" ???
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AAAAWKWARD! :-\
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um not for nothing, but just in case anyone hasn't been voting, we need to get FS back into the top 10.
just in case. :D
edit: today's page (11) is delicious by the way, but I think I'm just kind of starting to enjoy the pages where there's not much intensely going on. It lets me focus on the artwork more I think.
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I think Brion mentioned there would be some sketches in this month's vote incentives as well. Unless I've missed it, I don't think there's one yet, but I'm sure if he posts one and mentions it, he'll get a raise in votes.
A few of the fairly new comers such as The Meek and Bear Nuts appear to have taken some high ranks (heck The Meek has a cute nudist girl, whats not to love). So with the old ones that have always held top positions, its a little crowded.
Probably just more artists getting into the webcomics scene with the current economic chrisis putting them out of a job ;)
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Page 11 panel 1: PRICELESS. Panel 1 + panel 4: DOUBLE THE PRICELESS.
(well, it seems that my little joke with the character's smilys was a bit off, it's Glypg the one going :o instead of Crest and Bern doesn't facepalm, just sweatdrops... what scares me is that, overall, the joke was indeed a pretty accurate preview of the page, down to Bern's making sarcastic remarks).
PS: Lobster-man, we REALLY need a smily for the sweatdrop
(edited for a typo that turned Bern into a weapon. Literally).
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HAHA, Rocky horror alright.
I guess the prospect of seduction here will really test Maytag... Not sure about the others. Heck, Suspira looks like she's gonna sleep through the whole thing, I think thats her floating in the thrid last panel. Also, is Maytag wearing her D-Bag on the outside, or is that just another bag with some extra stuff? Its not the one from Book 0 *shrug*
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There is something wrong with that picture when the door opens.....where is the wee West Highland Terrier that bites the guests ankles? this is no normal B&B.
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Yeah. So I voted today becuase yall told me to.
Also, this place they're in seems creepy.
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;D I think someone's been reading Jojo's Bizarre Adventure.
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Yeah. So I voted today becuase yall told me to.
Also, this place they're in seems creepy.
YAY Ronin! Badass siggy btw I have to admit.
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(READING THE VOTE INCENTIVE)
Well, we know of at least 7 people tat Maytag has had sex with all together, and 3 of the people she's cheated on Bern with.
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Yeah. So I voted today becuase yall told me to.
Also, this place they're in seems creepy.
YAY Ronin! Badass siggy btw I have to admit.
It's my favorite line in the entire LTR trillogy. Also, uttered by my favorite character in the FotR. :D
I wish that whole ask maytag thing was archived becuase I would like to read the deluges of responces I missed from before. :(
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Escher? Is he an MC?
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The little maytag poking out from the back, completely calm is adorable
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Escher looks kinda cute.
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Aww, very cute with Maytag popping out the back like that.
Just waiting for the host's niceness to turn a 180 right into nastiness when any of his guests don't do what he has planned for them or whatever.
Also what, Crest is jealous of the dog now?? This is getting silly... although not too unrealistic considering some people I've known ;)
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Also what, Crest is jealous of the dog now?? This is getting silly... although not too unrealistic considering some people I've known ;)
is it that or is he upset about Escher's unshirtedness touching Supriria?
and what's the matter with Glyph on this page? Is he a raging homosexual (well bi I guess) who is incredibly turned on by Danzig?
Danzig's a pretty awesome name by the way.
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If i get an Alsatian might call it that instead of Arnheim
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"We specialize in both bed AND breakfast!" haha, nice :)
Also I think Glyph is flirting with B&B guy! wooooo Glyph!! :D
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Looking back at the sign. I'm not sure it was painted so well. Although I do note that the mistakes (such as the smudging of the 'A' and the faded 'D') appear to have the same 'mistakes' or errors. Heck, that fact that its floating tells us its a magickal sign, so its probably been painted magickally (or Brion's ust cut and pasted the letters around ::))
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Yeah. I thought that guy would be a villian, but he seems harmless.
And a freakin' wierdo! :'( ;D
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Yeah. I thought that guy would be a villian, but he seems harmless.
what are you talking about he looks creepy as hell
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The closest we've ever come to a full blown villian in Flipside is Derricks. Even Voulger regretted all his actions when the collar was removed, but Derricks knew what he wanted to do and sought the collar to help bring it about. Danzig might be a bad news for these guys, but I'd be surprised if he's a full villian considering Brian's past use of 'bad guys' such as Bloody Mary.
Maybe you'd throw the attackers at the Asylum club into the ring, but we didn't get to know them very well *shrug*. Same with Melter. We don't know him very well yet.
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Three Gold Pieces? that is cheap......he is up to no good I tell ye he will rip them off and get them to pay for the breakfasts since they are not included in the price of the rooms. ;)
Edit: Still no word if there is an evening meal yet.
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If the only problem this guy gives them is having to pay for breakfast, then they're in good shape I say.
but yeah, I know. Is there a concierge so they can find a restaurant for dinner?? Or did they bring a supply of lembas?
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I'm sure Brion noted the rough ratio of a gold coin to today's money at some point but I can't recall where.
I half remember that 1 gold = $20.00 but I'm not certain.
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It's $10 per gold coin, roughly.
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so wait, 30$ a night (split between several people) to spend the night in a magical castle? That seems a little....
...off, after all.
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It's 30 per room, so with 2 rooms it becomes 60 per night.
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That's still only 12$ per person. o.O
And hey! Moss is back! This should be interesting.
Edit: I really want to know what Moss sees when he looks at Crest. o.O
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Well, Akash, this is before the concepts of monetary Inflation, macro economics and the corporation, thus the realistic prices...
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I live in LA, it's just too hard to imagine. o_o
Not really arguing about the economics of a fantasy world, that's like arguing about the physics of one. Just wish we had prices like that here. Complete with shirtless servant doormen and such. :P
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That's still only 12$ per person. o.O
Prices need to be that low here >.<
Edit: the way happy smiley Moss is creepy.
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ZOMG MOSS!
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TRAP!!
Damn, I wonder if he's just another guest with those two in tow or part of the staff.
Do we put this all down as circumstantial, or has it been a plan of Moss' from the start to get them here?
Any guesses on the Twin's weakness people?
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I wonder if Danzig is Moss's uncle.
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Possibly. Moss wasn't just trying to learn sorcery, he was trying to steal Seraph's notes on the 4th level of sorcery. Considering he'd only just obtained second level, you'd think it was for someone more powerful than him. Maybe like the people in this castle.
If we presume they're all fairly powerful sorcerers then its going to be a rough night with Suspira drained and Glyph probably running low after powering the carriage all day.
I don't know why, but somehow I'm guessing that Glyph's "perv-scanner" is going to come in use for more than the obvious. Maybe we'll even see Bern get some use of her anti-magick sword. Hell, I wonder if it would also grant protection from magick spells cast upon you while held (I know Bern had it when Mary's fear demon took hold, but she wasn't holding it in her hand).
Personally, I'm hoping we learn a little more about 'curses' as opposed to permanent enchantments and the like.
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and if that's the case, then a level 3+ sorcerer falling into their hands in a weakened state is just way too good to let go of.
I got the same impression about his scanner, though I don't think it would protect against enchantments... other than by detecting them. Something tells me that if he uses them on the Twins, he might get a surprise.
I'm also thinking that the weird comment about the sign could have been a tip off that it was just recently put there to lure our unsuspecting travelers into a trap.
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OMFG, Moss!!!
You're one sly bastard, Brion.
Um, also, don't take this the wrong way, but while Moss' face looks fine in the second panel, and a little strange in the fourth panel, it looks really weird in the last one.
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Who is this Moss fellow? He gives me the Heebeegeebies. :-\
And as far as the $12 a night thing, yeah it's a little low, but I'm used to paying only a little more (a freind of mine works for a popular hotel chain so a group of my freinds get discount rates when we travel for magic tourneys. It's a little more then that, but close enough.
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Who is this Moss fellow? He gives me the Heebeegeebies. :-\
Somebody from book 0
(go read it)
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I got the same impression about his scanner, though I don't think it would protect against enchantments... other than by detecting them. Something tells me that if he uses them on the Twins, he might get a surprise.
Thinking back to the carriage, I think it lets you see through cloth but not necessarily any other substance (considering the carriage). So it could reveal hidden weapons or even show some special Asphixia the person might have (bummer if he'd ever met Clairen on full clothing and tried that on her... Although he might claim it was worth it *lol*. Heck, if there are tapestries hiding secret passage ways, etc, then I guess he'd also find them easily enough.
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I'm really excited about the new chapter. Especially since its a chapter devoted to were their staying the night.
But I'm kinda curious to whats going to happen when Maytag and Moss run into each other. :P
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That's still only 12$ per person. o.O
And hey! Moss is back! This should be interesting.
Edit: I really want to know what Moss sees when he looks at Crest. o.O
Well, you know what they say about a free (or discount) stay at the inn...
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...actually, no. What do they say about a free (or discount) stay at the inn?
Also, woo! Moss! :-*
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Who is this Moss fellow? He gives me the Heebeegeebies. :-\
If you read book 0, you'll find that you have all the reason to get the heebiejeebies from him. :D
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...actually, no. What do they say about a free (or discount) stay at the inn?
This.
And who are "they"?
Who is this Moss fellow? He gives me the Heebeegeebies. :-\
If it helps you: Maytag likes him.
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you guys are smaht.
Edit: I really want to know what Moss sees when he looks at Crest. o.O
I'm sorry, but what exactly do Moss' eyes do again? I could go read, but I'm lazy. I mean, I have a vague memory, but I want the precise info.
but anyway, yeah if the effect is what I'm remembering, then yeah that could be good. I also want to see him tear into Crest and see how Crest reacts. Probably just by sweating a lot until Maytag steps in and protects him.
this chapter just got so much cooler.
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Edit: I really want to know what Moss sees when he looks at Crest. o.O
I'm sorry, but what exactly do Moss' eyes do again? I could go read, but I'm lazy. I mean, I have a vague memory, but I want the precise info.
He sees people's weaknesses.
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I'm sorry, but what exactly do Moss' eyes do again?
They allow him to see a person's weakness.
Thus far, all the ones he's mentioned have been psychological ones, so we have no idea whether it applies to physical shatterpoints.
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MOSS! Oh boy, I can't wait to see more pages. :-)
For some odd reason, it seems like of all the people there that Crest would be the one best able to stick up against whatever Moss might be planning. Maybe because he's the one with the least problematic issues - or maybe not, but Crest's already faced down and overcome his mental problems, at least the ones we readers know about.
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Whee! Moss is back!
Those twins are sexy!
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Woot, welcome back to one of the best characters in the comic :D
To people who don't know moss, go to the archives page and read Book 0 *now*... cause pretty likely that the rest of the chapter will be pure confusion, or at least somewhat lessened by not having read it!
-> (Although, I think Book 0 is not intended for printing right? So possibly it's one of those "don't need to have seen the earlier ones to enjoy it" deals.)
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...actually, no. What do they say about a free (or discount) stay at the inn?
Also, woo! Moss! :-*
You will awakened for a mandatory plot event!
Or someone will steal money from you. That's what happens in Final Fantasy 6.
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I wonder what Moss saw when he looked at Bern.
Originally I'd have guessed pride but I get the impression it might be something more like selfloathing.
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I wonder what Moss saw when he looked at Bern.
In the interviews he said "Lesbian". But I'd say, thats no longer a weakness.
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I agree. I wonder what now ranks as Bern's greatest weakness? Likewise I wonder if Moss' old assessment of Maytag's biggest weakness is now different too. After all, the whole 'slut' thing probably revolved around her fears that her promiscuity was #1 - not something she wanted to/could totally contain #2 - something that would tear her relationship apart if it ever got out in the open....
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Whoa, Moss! :o That came out of nowhere! ;D Interesting...
On the 5/22 comic, as the group was walking up the stairs: Did anyone else think MC Esher for some reason like I did? :P
Heh--when I read "bath room", I thought bathroom--not just a room with the bath-type spa, but toilet and sink as well. I wonder if toilets exist in this webcomic? Brion? ;D
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@Hans: HA! yes I do remember that now you mention it. I guess she considered it a weakness for herself at the time (her dedication to the nights and all).
@Brion. Maytag's left arm is just barely visible on page 15 as they're coming up the staircase.
Damn that bathtub scares me Just 'cos he's mentioned it (whats the Bet Maytag will entice Bern in for a dip?). And those stairs! Why do I feel like they'll go back there and find that set of stairs that turns back in on it's self?
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Glenn Danzig and MC Escher????
Is the dog Maximillian going to die? Cause they never introduce dogs in comics unless they die. >:(
And, I love those twins.
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Glenn Danzig and MC Escher????
Is the dog Maximillian going to die? Cause they never introduce dogs in comics unless they die. >:(
And, I love those twins.
Well, maybe we'll get to know his opinion about that if he answers my question in Maytag's corner! :P ;D
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Today's page is pretty. I like the staircase shot.
Also, no separate male/female baths? Just everyone oiling each other going crazy with the onsen? I like where this chapter is going!
But no, really. It is a pretty page. ./cough
Still can't believe they're paying the equivalent of 12 each for that place. I need to vacation in a fantasy world.
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The stair case shot reminds me of the animated scene from Monty Python and the Holy grail. and that aint no normal B&B with a bathroom like that...they are doooooooooomed a' dooooooomed. (sorry)
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The stair case shot reminds me of the animated scene from Monty Python and the Holy grail. and that aint no normal B&B with a bathroom like that...they are doooooooooomed a' dooooooomed. (sorry)
Glad I wasn't the only one. :P
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HAH! One of the servants is named ESCHER!! ;) I KNEW there was a hidden meaning to those stairs!! ;D
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mgrumble wat grmble mumble strumble mmgrumble etc.
Ayut! BOOM! Hup! BOOM! Ayut! BOOM! etc.
STOP THAT! STOP THAT! Go on, clear off! Go away! And you, clear off! mmph, bloody weather.
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;D @ Umber
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damn forgot the crashing when he falls down the stairs or whatever... ;D
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You know, maby I should give the blond dude another chance. He seems nice enough. :-\
Beredette has a funny line in this one! :P
Laughed when I read it.
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I giggled at that line too.
This page is a strong reminder that May is missing an arm, too. I can't believe how much that has been slipping my mind. >.<
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I wonder if Bernedette turned the bath with Maytag down because she's currently arm-challenged.
That'd be sad. :(
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I think Glyph is the more likely reason Bernadette said that.
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Heh, I think Glyph is my favorite now.
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Think glyph would of perved on May and Bern while the tub thats why Bern turned it down................well who in would not perv on those two?
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Yeah see this is where the whole Bern/May thing makes me sad. May was completely ready to go party in the tub (she wouldn't even do anything bad! she'd probably help someone get over an emotional issue actually) and Bern's all "OK Maytag, time for bed!! *taps watch*"
"But Beeerrrrrn!"
"I'M NOT SAYING IT AGAIN MAYTAG! GET YOUR HOT SMOOTH ROUND ASS IN THIS BED RIGHT NOW!!!"
well something like that anyway.
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I think she was just trying to protect Oblivious-May and herself from perverts, not prevent something else weird happening. She does have that knight in shining armor thing going on. :P
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you reckon there's a peephole into the bathroom?
and May is a pervert! She doesn't need protecting!
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Well, naturally, but Bern doesn't see it that way.
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I like perverts! :D
Their awsome! :D
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This page is a strong reminder that May is missing an arm, too. I can't believe how much that has been slipping my mind. >.<
Yeah, its easy to forget sometimes, 'cos almost every angle we see tends to exclude the stump since we saw Bern looking at it in the carriage early last chapter, but today's page really seemed to focus on it.
Is it just me or do we also see Maytag's left arm as they're coming up the stairs?
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bern is so boring
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*lol* I dunno. Bern's had a long carriage ride with two sorcerers, one who perved on her and another who broke some other very personal boundaries. Then she's brought into a castle, tired and worn out, to be greeted by some very strange, eccentric people when she'd rather have just thrown out her swag under the stars and called it a day before having to wake up and spend another two days in a carriage with the same sorcerers.
I think I can understand that while Maytag might be in the mood for some nude playtime in the bath, Bern's just interested in reading a quiet book or jumping straight to bed.
...Hang on... Isn't "G'night" Australian slang? *shrug*
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be she's like that all the time, not just now
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Yeah um...so Bern would have fooled me if I were Glyph.
Guess I didn't give her enough credit :-[
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Heh, didn't see that coming.
Something tells me they'll run into someone when they go to the bath though.
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Bern did a sneaky-sneaky :D
(http://akashayi.net/random/sprites/Shadow_laugh.gif)
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I have the feeling Glyph is not going to leave that house alive
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Pretty men do have a habit of dying horrible deaths in this comic... :'(
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Did Glyph pretend to leave? I wonder... ;D
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well, either he pretended to leave to spy on the girls, or he is feigning an interest in sandwiches so he can sneak around the place. Maybe he knows something he's wasn't saying.
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Aye but what sort of sarnies...Can tell he's no a cheese and jam person
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OMG! Bern lied! *lol*
Damn! I should have seen this coming considering her comment on arrival to Brahma about wanting a bath.
http://www.flipsidecomics.com/comic.php?i=428
YAY! Nude Flipside characters coming up... with intimacy :-[ 8)
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Poor Bern, feeling so very paranoid.
They could just fill the bath with bubbles, so that if Glyph peeks, all he'll see is... Bubbles! *Genius*
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Poor Bern, feeling so very paranoid.
They could just fill the bath with bubbles, so that if Glyph peeks, all he'll see is... Bubbles! *Genius*
o.o What if he uses that eye thing?
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Far be if from me to mar the latest appearance of Maytag's pretty tushy, but howinhell did her arm grow back that quick? Dream sequence?
Yay, fanservice! lol!
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but howinhell did her arm grow back that quick?
Nice catch I'm not sure I would have caught that the first time reading through the page.
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Yeah, i registered specifically for this.
I've no idea how long the latest page has been up, but maytag's arm IS back, as she clearly used both arms to remove her shirt.
Is that a graphical error? Magic mist? Or am I going cookoo bananas?
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"Don't you feel awkward at all, growing your arm back in some stranger's home?"
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Damn! Those are great pictures too. Brion's going to have to really adjust that first one with her shirt to have it coming off with only one arm.
Oh well. Lovely stuff despite the little slip Brion. Maybe we can just call that bath an enchanted bath of healing and write it off as the steam in the air *lol*
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I think I got it!
Notice the massive jump in forum activity since he posted the comic (as in the 4+ new members and the massive amounts of guests 22 at the moment I think)? Methinks it was a "mistake" and not a mistake. :P
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Ditto to what everyone else said. I was wondering how I missed such a huge thing like her arm growing back. Then I realized the truth: everyone, including the artist, was just too distracted by Maytag's ass to notice the logic hole.
Also: is she pulling her panties off in one fell swoop with her pants, or does Maytag go commando? BERN? MOSS? HEY WHERE'S THAT NAGELRING SPELL WHEN WE NEED IT
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Looking closely it looks like she removed both at the same time.
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hey, it's more efficient.
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Ditto to what everyone else said. I was wondering how I missed such a huge thing like her arm growing back. Then I realized the truth: everyone, including the artist, was just too distracted by Maytag's ass to notice the logic hole.
Actually I was more distracted by Bern voluntarily taking off her scarf.
Never before noticed the rose on her dress.
Anyone knows, how that cape stays on her shoulders?
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If you look really closely at the collar on Bern in the last panel you can see part of a very thin line connecting the two parts of the manteau. The rest of gets lost in all the other lines and stripes
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"Don't you feel awkward at all, growing your arm back in some stranger's home?"
BWAhahaha
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How come May suddenly has a new arm O.o Its weird how at the beginning you still see the bandaged arm and suddenly she has 2 arms :O
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Hah, continuity error.
It's a miracle how fast that arm grew back! :P
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I guess Bern threw a fastball again at those who failed to remember how she usually analizes the situations and how she actually keeps those things quiet... but having failed to notice it after a chapter whose whole point has been to showcase that, makes said fastball even more amusing.
So, lol. Take that, Bern-haters ;)
But don't be sad you miscalculated... we actually have sweet Maytag fanservice thanks to that! :-* (and I hope also Bern fanservice) :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
Regarding May's arms... I have suspictions it NOT being a mistake...
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LOLWAT@*poof regenerated arm*
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Hmm any theory about how May's arm grew back suddenly has failed me. ??? unless she is a Reptile and can grow back missing limbs :o
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As much as I would really prefer to comment about the lovely sight of Maytag's bare ass(! :-[), I have to mention the fact that she can regrow her arm to aviod the awkwardness of taking a shirt off with only one is indeed a useful superpower! :P
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Hudon mabe ay store's a spare arm in her magic purse? :o ???
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but howinhell did her arm grow back that quick?
Nice catch I'm not sure I would have caught that the first time reading through the page.
Thanks. Only guess I have is that either the artist made a mistake, or hit a wall in figuring out how a one-armed woman would undress.
Personally, I think that would've been a good time for Bern to help May out, like any good spouse-equivalent would. She'd be rewarded by some nice close-ups of her lover's body, as well! ;-)
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I think this is gonna require a major redraw...but the result might just end up being a bit more interesting than the original...
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I feel sometimes that Brion hates the fact that Maytag is missing an arm as much as we do.
That's why he so frequently "Freudian Slips" her arm back into the comic.
Tie off this loose end, Brion! Stop torturing yourself! :D
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./sigh
Sadly, I'd rather suffer than have the plot suffer.
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Hopefully the latest comic will be redrawn so that Bern helps Maytag undress... ^___^
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*lol* I remember that Brion found it a bitch to remember the finger all the time.
Yeah, I'm gonna go with the "mistake" to get the forums spinning again *lol*
of course... Maytag's bare arse probably would have done that on its own.
Is it just me or has she toned up her big arse? *lol*
EDIT: Just had a thought, who's betting Glyph's perv senses are highly tuned and he was already in the bathing room when they arrived? Probably invisible.
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I think this is gonna require a major redraw...but the result might just end up being a bit more interesting than the original...
HAVE BERN UNDRESS MAYTAG. ;D
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And our question for today is: How can Brion miss missing Maytag's missing arm?? ??? :P
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Yeah, I'm gonna go with the "mistake" to get the forums spinning again *lol*
I'd actually believe that.
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Well, it seems to have worked.
Our delicious lobster friend Brion is also suspiciously MIA.
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He is probably hiding in the shaddows of the forum watching our
pathetic attempts on figuring out how May's arm sudenly appeared.
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I think this is gonna require a major redraw...but the result might just end up being a bit more interesting than the original...
HAVE BERN UNDRESS MAYTAG. ;D
Now THAT would be a voting incentive... :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
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Arm?? her arm grew Back?? oh yeah, I had to look three times, my eyes were drawn away from her new arm to her nice bare... :-*
ha ha ha
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lol, it may be a magical shower room with restorative properties! ooooooh~~~~Not! :P
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The reason I have been so quiet is because I was at a convention last weekend, remember? It's a 15 hour drive to get out there, and I just got home now. Obviously her arms coming back is a mistake... I was rushing to get Monday's page done before I left. I'll put the fix up tommorow, right now I am tired...
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I thought it might be conventions. Welcome Back. Looking forward to the recount of your convention adventures.
Is it just me or is it like Convention Season over there in the States?
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No. The biggest one is yet to come in July Comic con.
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No, I have 4 conventions in July (you can check my convention schedule on the front page.)
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lol, it may be a magical shower room with restorative properties! ooooooh~~~~Not! :P
Yep, that did I thought, based in how big it was the mistake of carefully drawing two arms - twice! :P It was either intentional, or Lobster-Man being so tired he would be Lobster-Sandwitch instead... oh. wait. 15 hours? :o Yep.
Worry not, Brion, been there, done that, got the 2 days blank-out afterwards, won't hold it against you... but NOT drawing Bern helping May undress as a fix, now THAT I shall hold against you. And I feel most of your readers also will. So you owe us. ;)
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Nice handwriting.
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As you can see, it's been fixed, but I needed a little break this week hence the "con-report" page. It should serve as a good example of why I don't hand letter my comics.
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lol Brion that's not quite how I remember the con going. ;D
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Mmm, lobster. ./rubs tummy.
I'd love to have you for dinner, Brion.
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Just gonna point this out. if you hit previous page from today's it brings you to the unfixed version of page 19.
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No it doesn't, you just need to refresh the page.
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I love how Brion made the left arm of maytag a stump in the convention page.
Those bloody Grubers! Hey! Who wants to see a Die Hard 5? C'mon! Bruce could still pull it off and maybe he'll even sort his family issues once and for all (while repeating several lines and actions, classic to the first movie).
Good work on the fix Brion. But the most e-mails ever?! Damn! You need to make that mistake more often, I think Flipside jumped in the rankings.
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And we have a nice influx of forum members too. But you can't always pull out that trick, or else it'll lose it's power.
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Easy one to get people in. Kill Maytag or Bern.
But maybe leave that for April Fools *shrug*
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Death by Flip Side brick TM! ;D ;D
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BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!
I just noticed a frog on the road. God that game is a classic *PMSL*
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Thing is if you kill off May or Bern we would have to leave this wonderfull forum since that is our main reason for being here ???
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Pg21: Right-click, Save. ;D
Stop going on about hwo weird the owners are and get horny Bern! Thats what I'm guessing as Maytag's response. Although she might encourage Bern to be a little more open minded about their hosts first *shrug*
VOTE INCENTIVE: heheh. Good work Bloody Mary. DEFEAT PURPOSE! (although you might find it hard to finish the task after you're back to normal.)
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Mmm...
Maytag has such perfect, round hips.
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I feel like this is forsadowing and there is going to be something awful happening real soon. Call me paranoid. :'(
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Mmm...
Maytag has such perfect, round hips.
Oh man, you noticed too?
Mmmmm.....hips....
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Well, there is a bench in view for someone to sit on... Someone with an invisibility spell...
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"I dislike accepting things as they are, everything and everyone should conform themselves to what I consider to be correct. I dislike things which I do not understand, and have no desire to learn about said things unless I need to fight them."
Hey, guess who I am, come on, guess!
Note: I don't normally do things like this, but her attitude is irking me just a bit >_>
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Its the Bernadette Brigade VS the Maytag Militia around here.
And the question continues... Can there be peace between the two. Only Flipside will tell.
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Yeah, no wars please. I much prefer pacifism. *Sucks on a binky like Maggie Simpson.* Oh wait, that's not quite right. Anyway, I appreciate good character quirks as much as the next reader. I guess I just find it a funny combination of mildly irritating and amusing that Bern seems to, at least in my opinion, want the people she meets to change in order to suit her personal preferences.
For someone who I assume has done quite a bit of travelling and seen that the planet (or at least what she has seen of it) has a wide variety of people, lifestyles, personalities, and opinions, she certainly appears to be just a smidge judgmental. The truly hilarious/curious part, at least to me, is that Bern's relationship with May is considered an aberration by the knights, the people with whom her ideals most closely coincide.
However, because the relationship with May was so important to her, she decided to turn her back on the Normalcy Police, thereby recognizing that she has her own unique personality and preferences, and that changing herself to fit the needs of another/a group is not only quite difficult, but sometimes impossible. I very much look forward to seeing just how Bern develops as a character, and hope that she will eventually come to terms with the facts that people aren't going to bend over backwards to please her.
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She won't.
She'll continue to be a bitch.
[Waits for the Hellstorm/]
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"I dislike accepting things as they are, everything and everyone should conform themselves to what I consider to be correct. I dislike things which I do not understand, and have no desire to learn about said things unless I need to fight them."
Hey, guess who I am, come on, guess!
Note: I don't normally do things like this, but her attitude is irking me just a bit >_>
You know, for a second I thought you might not be referring to someone in comic...
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Both Bern and Maytag are great but they aren't Mary-Sues. Brion's built both of them with character flaws and it makes them interesting, watching their good traits the majority of the time but seeing their bad ones come to the surface now and again.
I must confess, I find it funny that for all their good qualities, each of us is so easily willing to jump at the negative ones.
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I think we should make love, not war. Especially when it involves May and Bern. :D
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HMMMM Flipside BricksTm at 20 paces form your battle llines folks.
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Bern's missing her facial scar in the 3rd panel.
On that note, I love how the scars are drawn. Been paying more attention to it since Bloody Mary.
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hmmm, philosophical discussion on nudity. Why not?
It'll be interesting to see Bern's response. End result is it's not just your own thoughts about your sexual parts but other people's. Possibly, you could argue that other's thoughts, opinions and desires shouldn't affect you as long as they keep them to themselves but it is a truth that they look on your sexual parts far differently than they do your face, arms or legs.
*meh* if this discussion gets too much momentum here, redirect it to the debate thread.
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>.>
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*walks in*
Hey look, anti-Bern posts.
"I dislike accepting things as they are, everything and everyone should conform themselves to what I consider to be correct. I dislike things which I do not understand, and have no desire to learn about said things unless I need to fight them."
Well let's see... Bern has never seriously tried to conform anyone to anything, and whenever called on her beliefs she has always been able to back them up with logic. Any time May conforms to what Bern wants, she does so without provocation out of an urge to make Bern happy. So I'm going to guess that you're Vajra.
I guess I just find it a funny combination of mildly irritating and amusing that Bern seems to, at least in my opinion, want the people she meets to change in order to suit her personal preferences.
Doesn't everyone? You obviously seem to want Bern to change according to your preferences. It's not as though she ever forces anyone to do as she says. Well, not unless they're pulling a Glyph and involving her personally in something she finds objectionable.
For someone who I assume has done quite a bit of travelling and seen that the planet (or at least what she has seen of it) has a wide variety of people, lifestyles, personalities, and opinions, she certainly appears to be just a smidge judgmental.
Has it occurred to you that perhaps they live in a world which needs judging? A lot of the people Bern has met have been morally questionable at best, and that's only counting the ones who haven't tried to kill her. Everyone seems rather quick to judge our world as a shit-hole. I see no reason to think theirs is any different.
The truly hilarious/curious part, at least to me, is that Bern's relationship with May is considered an aberration by the knights, the people with whom her ideals most closely coincide.
I would say this (http://www.flipsidecomics.com/comic.php?i=363) sums that up nicely. Bern has trouble going against her gut, and her gut told her the knights were wrong on that particular point. Just because a group holds an incorrect view does not mean all (or even most) of their views are incorrect.
I very much look forward to seeing just how Bern develops as a character, and hope that she will eventually come to terms with the facts that people aren't going to bend over backwards to please her.
Again, I don't know where this is coming from. Bern is somewhat vocal and mostly inflexible regarding her beliefs, but when has she ever forced her beliefs on anyone? She never lectures Maytag on her regular use of magic items, nor has she ever gone off on anyone for casting magic. She was even content to wait around for May to stop cheating on her own, and she clearly tried reasoning May into not posing for the picture rather than simply expecting her to do as she says. I can only think of three examples where Bern makes anyone do anything:
1. May's line in Chapter 2 of Book 0: "I'd come here more often, but a certain person won't let me.". This line was regarding The Asylum, a place where Maytag would have been raped and possibly killed had Bern not pulled her ass out of the fire.
2. Bern's line in Chapter 3 of Book 0: ""Stay out of trouble today! Don't be gone longer than two hours. And don't you dare changing into your costume, either...!" Justifiable given the aforementioned ass-pulling. The implication is that May gets into that kind of trouble on a regular enough basis that Bern's worries are merited.
3. Everyone taking the carriage to Eschalon instead of portals. Well, it was her journey to begin with, right? It's only fair that she travel using methods she feels comfortable with. I'm sure she was meeting them half-way using a magic carriage in the first place.
Only in the final example are her beliefs even a factor.
She'll continue to be a bitch.
Haha! Oh that crazy Ronin. So biased it makes my head spin.
I must confess, I find it funny that for all their good qualities, each of us is so easily willing to jump at the negative ones.
I generally only jump at May as a knee-jerk reaction to all the Bern-dissers. Generally.
It'll be interesting to see Bern's response.
She always has a fairly logical response to May in these situations, even if May disagrees with her. It's almost amazing how swiftly she dodges the Strawman Conservative lasso every time May hits her with one of these questions.
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@Xshu: Well, they do comment that they've had a great many discussions on these subjects over time, so they've probably each put a lot of thought into them. I'd even go so far as to say that they've discussed hypothetically about relationships that are open or closed sexually, which is probably why Bern was able to give the relatively good answer that she wanted the intimacy between them to be something unique and special that they shared.
I'm guessing that Brion probably does a good deal of research on these topics to find the reasonable and good arguments from either side so he can voice and share them through the comic.
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Possibly, you could argue that other's thoughts, opinions and desires shouldn't affect you as long as they keep them to themselves but it is a truth that they look on your sexual parts far differently than they do your face, arms or legs.
Only because you are taught to - plenty of cultures in hotter parts of the world where clothes were not really a necessity spent tens of thousands of years not thinking like that at all - of course most by now have been taught by missionaries to be ashamed of nudity and to lust after what is hidden under the clothes they were encouraged to wear.
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Indeed. I spent 4 years of my youth in the Solomon Islands and my parents had no qualms about my sister and I, running around the house and back yard in the complete nude or even swimming at the beach in the same. But when we moved back to Aussie land, that behaviour stopped because of the different cultural perceptions, i.e. that culture's perceptions.
I have an up bringing thats allowed me to think beyond the sexuality of those parts, but I still understand that many hold a different perception for them. My flaunting nudity or badgering them about how they don't have to hold that perception won't cause them to change it. It's just a part of who they are with the upbringing they've received.
All up, I don't care enough or have enough of a need to run through the city naked to bother debating about it. I'm happy enough to respect and conform to their culture just as I was respectful enough to conform with some of the cultural differences in the Solomon Islands rather than act out just to try and show those perceptions and views as wrong.
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Well... I guess breasts are VIEWED sexually, at least in western society. At another level, I suppose they come across as a notable difference between the sexes, although nipples are present in both.
I suppose a good example is that none of the female members of these forums would be happy and willing to post a photo of themselves, bare from the waist up. But it's understandable that a permanent photo is quite different from someone simply viewing you in the flesh. Then again, with a camera phone owned by 3/5 Westerners, maybe it is still the same *lol*
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3. Everyone taking the carriage to Eschalon instead of portals. Well, it was her journey to begin with, right? It's only fair that she travel using methods she feels comfortable with. I'm sure she was meeting them half-way using a magic carriage in the first place.
Well said, overall. Must I add that at that particular point she profusely thanked the others for having agreed to humor her and go in carriage? In other words: she han't forced her beliefs over portals on the others, rather the others know about her deep-seated fearof portals and have agreed not to force her around them, mainly when they have alternate means of transportation handy. Much like if someone in the group suffered from sea-sickness and they agreed not to go in a boat when they have a bridge right on hand. Notice they are going in a magical carriage instead of on foot even if she dislikes sorcery: that's a compromise.
I can't help but feel deeply amused by how some persons feel they are oh SO open in their beliefs that they can not endure other persons to be "less open" than them, and activelly deriss them for that. Yeah. VERY open-minded indeed. Notice that I'm not trying to get you to REALLY be open-minded (as opossed to only SAYING you are), I'm only pointing out the inherent irony :P ;D :D :) Even more, I can't help to feel even more amused at the fact that they feel that way regarding a fictional character. (Kettle calling the pot back, given that I'm full-time roleplaying ANOTHER fictional character, but I do apretiate the irony...) I was saying, a fictional character, whose personality MUST conform to a rol for the history to continue. Actually, if they get so fired for the character's actions and beliefs, what are we watching the comic for?
(http://thumb.dumparump.com/180/o2Bj5jh.gif)
Oh. Yeah. I forgot. :) Silly of me.
Well, back to that... I could provide a long-winded explanation about why May might be wrong about the parts of the body with a sexual charge being only watcheable by anybody as opossed to just those with whom you may wish to share such sexual meaning, but that would contradict my above point about character's beliefs and acts being part of the tale. So instead of that, I'll simply give you all a few more reasoned, logic, cool and balanced reasons to stop the Bern Wars and return to watching the comic:
(http://thumb.dumparump.com/459/l3kyAwy.gif)(http://thumb.dumparump.com/459/wJ75Rb4.gif)(http://thumb.dumparump.com/459/3j94tQQ.gif)(http://thumb.dumparump.com/459/4k5910I.gif)
Can we all agree on that? :-*
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I think I'm more bothered that May's calling nipples sexual parts, when...well, they really aren't.
You have got to be joking.
I mean.. seriously, I can't even comprehend what you're trying to say with that. ???
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I wouldn't per say call them a sexual part either, mainly because they are NOT a sexual organ.
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yeah that's what I took her meaning as too.
but I'm guessing that yours or your partners are sensitive, so they're definitely sexual in your world.
just guessing...
my vote is for naked kids running around everywhere thinking nothing of it. and then naked adults. had that debate before though and sigh.
ps. Don't try to distract us with cheesecake erana!! :P
DOWN WITH BERN! DOWN WITH BERN! DOWN ON BERN! i mean DOWN WITH BERN!! :P
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They have more nerves? I'd have thought you'd have as few nerves as possible in the nipples considering the little blighters biting down on the things for a feed *lol*
They are well known to give stimulating sensations that men and women alike take as sexually. Heck, there are people who have orgasams with nothing but that stimulation alone. However as Deatzh points out, its not exactly a sex organ and the view of them as sexual is something of society's doing. If I had to guess, I'd say a good part of the reason the stimulation is taken as sexual to the point of causing orgasams is probably 90% mental as a result of our acceptance of them as sexual parts.
I don't know what you'd say about breasts, as they are a notable difference between both men and women (even if we both have nipples) so in that regards they sort of define the sexes but although they're part of child rearing, I don't know if you'd think of them as really facilitating reproduction.
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Oh my GOD!! May is trying to turn Bern into a slut!!!
I'm joking.
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ps. Don't try to distract us with cheesecake erana!! :P
Distraction? Where? I was more thinking along the lines of "motivation" ;D
Re, nipples not as a sexual part, really I should link to a demotivator of a facepalming Captain Picard but I've fullfilled my monthly quota of internert memes.
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My goodness, the Anti-Bern wars. D: I'm almost glad I missed this.
Anyway... I think May is being quite sweet here, really.
But I do understand Bernadette too. I don't understand how some here think she's a close-minded bitch for not wanting to show her nipples and butt to the world. :/ I wouldn't either.
You know why?
Because I'd rather have people look at my personality and intelligence, rather than my (non-existent) boobs. Maytag is a very sexual being. Sex is basically her lifestyle, so obviously she doesn't mind being seen as a sex object. Bernadette however, is all about pride and knighthood and stuff, so of course she doesn't want to be looked at as an object of vagina, tits and ass!
Go Bern!
...And go May, too! <3
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@Razzly: I think what Maytag is trying to say is that people seeing those things shouldn't matter. I see what you mean that Maytag also likes to actually flaunt it, but what she's confused by is why Bern should be so worried and angry about someone seeing her naked. If wanting to have your personality and intelligence looked upon primarily is your only concern then you should feel apathy in the event of someone seeing you naked by mistake (although I could imagine your anger at someone like Glyph, perving on you, cos then they're obviously trying to view your physical and sexual prowess above your personality).
It probably comes down to the mentality behind what Glyph did. Because he'd treated her like a piece of meat to be viewed upon for his sexual gratification and did so without permisson and in knowledge that it may well cause her anger.
COMIC: I agree, Bern will never be a full "Maytag" but it'll be interesting to see how far she's willing to push her boundaries and how many of Maytag's frivolous behaviours she can knowingly and directly tolerate or even learn to accept.
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Eh, I've known people like that, and 99% of the time what they like to flaunt isn't the sexuality/non-sexuality of it all, it's that "fact" that they are so open-minded and revolutionary that you should be amazed at them... You know... Like those girls who are nowhere near being gay or bi, but of nowhere tell you that they kissed another girl the other night, "but really, it's no big deal, it's funny really, haha". It's BS, they just say it to get a reaction... and when called on it they quickly fold or change the subject.
Of course, I'm sure Maytag, being in a comic, is totally genuine about her own views. But in the real world if I met someone who went on and on and ON about it like she does, I wouldn't buy it for a second...
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So the concept that the nipples are somehow more sexual than the rest of the body is, as far as I'm concerned, a doing of society.
So let's see then, what you're saying basically, is that you have become so intellectually detached that you are able to see beyond the normal trappings of the society that you grew up in, and are no longer turned on or sexualized by breasts and nipples, except in that detached way that you can theoretically appreciate that someone else might get turned on by them because of what they were taught by the society that you both grew up in, which really no longer applies to you?
That must be really fun! Me, I just like breasts.
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May isn't telling Bern to go run around the halls butt naked, she's just telling her not to be ashamed of her body.
I think realizing that sex is natural and healthy, and being able to talk about it openly is very important. Sexual repression causes problems, just look at Japan. XD
Also, it looks like May has no eyes in panel six. Creepy!
Edit: Ack, ninja'd.
Tropico, it seems to me that May is living what she preaches, she acts as well as talks. Sure, the story is focusing a lot on that acting/talking but I figure Brion is trying to tell a story. :P
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Yes, I am willing to make a clear exception for Maytag, she is the story character here. Nothing wrong with her having idealized and perfect values to hold on to, totally normal and encouraged really :)
Edit -> Same thing for Bern: How is a woman who wanted to be a knight but was blocked *because she was a woman*, and then after that had to keep her life secret *because she was a lesbian*, going to turn around and be all prejudiced and judgmental of people who are different?? No big deal though, this is a story, and there are many things we don't get to see between all of that.
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I like this conversation and I like this comic! :-*
YAY! FLIPSIDE! :-*
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I like this conversation and I like this comic! :-*
YAY! FLIPSIDE! :-*
Honestly... I go around like 15-17 different comics and their forums (which is why you don't see me posting in one place that much) and I can tell you hands down, the ONLY forum where this type of conversation takes place is here. Which is amazing really.
Anyway... off to continue my comic-chain... see you guys, don't take anything I say too personally ok :)
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This response was rather unlike Bern's usual fare, in my opinion. Generally she has an explanation for her logic that's grounded in reason a-la her "why we still have to kill Bloody Mary" speech. I expected maybe something like "I don't want anyone being turned on by me without my permission" or even just "it's more exciting when it's forbidden". A simple "I-yam what I-yam" isn't the Bern logic I'm used to. Huh.
Well, I'm not going to complain. It seems unlike her, but it doesn't bother me. Bern can't be expected to give a lecture every time her views are challenged, I suppose.
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Personnally, I'd want to hide all my bits, not just my sex ones.
Unfortunately, walking out in public with 12 layers of clothes and a mask would draw undo attention.
What I really needs is like some epic level illusions spells. Why do those not exist in real life? Why God, why? You claim to make us in your image, but you're invisible! Share the invisibility, God!
Because I'd rather have people look at my personality and intelligence, rather than my (non-existent) boobs.
I'd be kind of worried about who can look at your personality.
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This response was rather unlike Bern's usual fare, in my opinion. Generally she has an explanation for her logic that's grounded in reason a-la her "why we still have to kill Bloody Mary" speech. I expected maybe something like "I don't want anyone being turned on by me without my permission" or even just "it's more exciting when it's forbidden". A simple "I-yam what I-yam" isn't the Bern logic I'm used to. Huh.
Well, I'm not going to complain. It seems unlike her, but it doesn't bother me. Bern can't be expected to give a lecture every time her views are challenged, I suppose.
I agree. I was expecting a bit more from her on this *shrug*
@Deatzh/Tropico: I didn't read a detachment to the sexuality of breasts in Deatzh's post. Breasts are sexualised as part of society's and individual's perceptions. But there's context in the situation as well. In nudist camps, nude photography and many other places, these body parts are viewed as little more than any other body part. However in the process of making love, both the owner of the breasts and any partner, obviously take a very different view just as they might suddenly find ears and lips very sexual in the same scenario but only parts for listening, talking and eating at any other moment.
I saw the performance at the La Nouvelle Eve and despite the nudity involved I found it beautiful, stunning and amazing more than erotic. Of course, if I saw a clip of those same girls in a mass, lesbian orgy, my perception of them would be very much sexual in that environment.
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I know a guy with freakishly sensitive and erogenous ears. But that doesn't make em anything more than ears. No having to wear ear muffs everywhere to hide his shameful parts. Besides nipples, I really like nibbling on necks and the tips of fingers. Hide your fingers!
I had a similar experience last week in life drawing. I've never done life drawing before, and the model was a girl I found extremely attractive. I was surprised mostly by how extremely nonsexual the whole process was, her body was just a body that happened to be naked and I was wrapped up in the arting.
Context is everything.
@Charles, where can I find clips of those girls in a mass orgy? ;P </tease>
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breast#Sexual_role
There: they are sexual.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breast#Sexual_role
There: they are sexual.
In before criticism of wikipedia. :P
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breast#Sexual_role
There: they are sexual.
Even in this wikipedia article you find the sentence "Many societies have no cultural proscriptions on women going bare-breasted."
There: Perception of breasts is a cultural thing.
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Because I'd rather have people look at my personality and intelligence, rather than my (non-existent) boobs.
I'd be kind of worried about who can look at your personality.
Lol excuse me, I sometimes have issues expressing myself. I think you know what I meant, so no need to be a smartass about it, you smartie-pants, you.
Xshu: I think Bern's lack of logic here stems from the fact that she feels so uncomfortable about it. It's difficult to think logically about things that you immediatly react emotionally to. ...if I make any sense.
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Lol excuse me, I sometimes have issues expressing myself. I think you know what I meant, so no need to be a smartass about it, you smartie-pants, you.
Yeah, I know. I just like saying stuff like that. :P
When a guy says he wants your body, it's pretty straightforward.
But when a guy says he wants "you and your beautiful soul", I mean, yeah, it sounds romantic, but JESUS CHRIST, YOUR SOUL!?!
Hands off the soul, bub.
Then again, I could think of some really horrific things he could want your body for. Like, brain swap. Attack of the Bodysnatching Boyfriend?
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Yeah, but knowing women, if a guy said he wants "You and your beautiful soul" the woman would probably turn around and say "Are you calling me ugly? Is there something wrong with my body?"
*lol* Women... You just can't win guys. Don't even bother trying.
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Seriously, what the hell? Knock it off and stop being a random ass for no reason.
And hell, stop putting words in my mouth. That's why I hate posting on this stupid thread, because every time I do I get people like you pulling garbage like this.
Sorry about that. You should be able to post your opinions here in this thread without being questioned on them. Let's all please try to keep in mind that this thread is not really an appropriate place for grilling each other. Everyone is welcome to their opinion.
This response was rather unlike Bern's usual fare, in my opinion. Generally she has an explanation for her logic that's grounded in reason a-la her "why we still have to kill Bloody Mary" speech. I expected maybe something like "I don't want anyone being turned on by me without my permission" or even just "it's more exciting when it's forbidden". A simple "I-yam what I-yam" isn't the Bern logic I'm used to. Huh.
Well, she's not really trying to win an argument here, rather she is simply trying to answer May's question as honestly as possible. However, as her core reason is an emotion, from which all of the logic flows, then actually validating that emotion by saying "I can't help the way I feel" actually is her best possible counter-argument to May's question. That's why May can't really press her very much on it.
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@Brion: Thanks mate. Always good to keep things friendly and civil. It's all about the atmosphere... Although A good deal of our Flipside gods to seem to be on the Chaotic side *lol*.
With Bern, I guess we're just accustomed to seeing Maytag and Bern take up these common debates/discussions with each of them giving the best argument for either side that are generally found in our own world. *meh* no big deal, you know your characters and how they respond better than we do. Besides, I'm betting Bern has better things in mind like enjoying a relaxing bath and maybe getting intimate rather than spoiling the mood with debate on an inconsequential topic. ;)
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Yeah, but knowing women, if a guy said he wants "You and your beautiful soul" the woman would probably turn around and say "Are you calling me ugly? Is there something wrong with my body?"
*lol* Women... You just can't win guys. Don't even bother trying.
That's why you lie and say you want them for your everything.
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That's why you lie and say you want them for your everything.
...So which part/s are you lying about wanting? *lol* :P
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Yeah, but knowing women, if a guy said he wants "You and your beautiful soul" the woman would probably turn around and say "Are you calling me ugly? Is there something wrong with my body?"
*lol* Women... You just can't win guys. Don't even bother trying.
No but see, Charles, there's a difference between saying: "Damn you're hot, I want to bang your juicy ass all day and then punch you headfirst into the kitchen!" and "You're beautiful, your body and mind both make me feel hot and bothered."
Ahem.
Anyway, I love these kinds of scenes! I was just hmm-ing and smiling, when I noticed that adam's apple. Glyph needs a good punch, seriously.
(Unless it's Moss? But then again, Moss needs a good punch as well. )
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I'm can't guess between Moss and Glyph either. Probably Glyph, he's the Perf and he's smart enough do some deduction.
1. the two girls are a lesbian couple
2. they've just had a rekindling of their relationship
3. they're sharing a room with Suspira so there's no privacy in their own room.
All up, I can't imagine he's going to get caught. Bern would absolutely MURDER him if she did... Well, maybe it won't be Bern who catches him. His other problem could be that those sandwiches are on the way... Dude's dead.
@Brion: Should there be a moan or gasp or something in that empty text bubble? (3rd last panel)
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No but see, Charles, there's a difference between saying: "Damn you're hot, I want to bang your juicy ass all day and then punch you headfirst into the kitchen!" and "You're beautiful, your body and mind both make me feel hot and bothered."
Ahem.
I will remember this for future pick-up line use.
Anyway, I love these kinds of scenes! I was just hmm-ing and smiling, when I noticed that adam's apple. Glyph needs a good punch, seriously.
(Unless it's Moss? But then again, Moss needs a good punch as well. )
Well, we know it ain't Danzig. Ain't got the lips!
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Even in this wikipedia article you find the sentence "Many societies have no cultural proscriptions on women going bare-breasted."
There: Perception of breasts is a cultural thing.
That doesn't mean they're not sexual. Some cultures don't hide their genitals either, but that doesn't mean they're not sexual.
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My money is on Glyph.
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Did I miss something on the page today or is that speech bubble in panel 5 supposed to be symbolically empty? ???
Also, since somebody bet on Glyph already I'll put my virtual money on Moss.
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ami missing summit? or do i just need to refresh the page since i still have them in the bath :'(
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I'll bet Moss too.
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ami missing summit? or do i just need to refresh the page since i still have them in the bath :'(
Last panel of the current update. Look ad the adams apple.
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Well, just to play Devil's advocate (and to mess up a bit with your heads), I'd like to mention two real-world singers (Tokio Hotel's Bill Kaulitz, male without visible Adam's apple, and Black Eyed Peas' Fergie, female with a visible one), just to showcase that you can never be sure... and to mess with your heads, too.
...yet I bet on Moss, too. And my bet is on spyholes, rather than on invisibility.
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Did I miss something on the page today or is that speech bubble in panel 5 supposed to be symbolically empty? ???
Also, since somebody bet on Glyph already I'll put my virtual money on Moss.
Blank bubbles can indicate whispering, as in they are saying something, we just can't hear it.
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I think it might be Glyph, the little pervert. Then again...he did seem to be into the idea of getting a sandwich.
It's probably Moss, come to ruin the moment with a "well, well...if it isn't Maytag..."
Maybe. e.e
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Somebodies about to become a pirate... or worse. I can only assume worse.
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Well, Glyph, has been a pleasure to meet you, if only briefly. We'll miss you.
At least, your spare body parts will probably be still somewhat useable for the organ donations program. Iscariot does have one, right?
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Seems to me if Brion adds color to the next page it's going to be a deep red to the bath water...
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OH MAN GLYPH IS NOW AWESOME AND MY HERO :D hahahahah really can't wait for the next strip..
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OH MAN GLYPH IS NOW AWESOME AND MY HERO :D hahahahah really can't wait for the next strip..
I dare to think, "Glyph is an hero" were the words you were looking for, my friend.
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Oh man, ROFL
The minute I saw Glyph's face it took me like 4 minutes to
get the nerve and scroll down reading the rest of the page.
Well, he was a cool guy...nice knowin him. :(
I dare to think, "Glyph is an hero" were the words you were looking for, my friend.
I agree with Tropico, anyone who's that brave and awesome is a hero in my book!
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Bern does not have her swords at hand, so maybe no blood next strip. But shurely not peace and harmony, also.
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Actually it just occurred to me, maybe Glyph has some seduction spell he plans to use....
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...Guys...
Seriously, I said this a couple pages back.
He wasn't interested in FOOD sandwiches at ALL. He knew exactly what was going on, and wanted a different kind of sandwich.
I hope he gets his face punched in.
I mean, 'grats on being brave and all, kudos there, but holy damn.
Edit:
Glyph's hips seem a tad big for a man's hips. I mean, unless his leg isn't strategically hiding his penis, rather strategically hiding that he's NOT A MAN?!
Also, he is missing a thumb/has a backward hand when slipping into the pool.
It's a trap?
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AHHHHH. Glyph why are you a super creephound?! Bern totally deserves his arm for this one. He's been warned...
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Bern does not have her swords at hand, so maybe no blood next strip. But shurely not peace and harmony, also.
No one said that Bern wasn't possible of ripping someone apart with her bare hands. xDDD
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Ohhh, that kind of sandwich.
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Well Glyph will be a Eunoch very shortly....guess Bern is good at unarmed as well as at armed combat.
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Well, we all knew Glyph was going to spy on them, but this? This is unexpected. I figured he'd be more the sneaky type than the brazen 'hey lets take a bath with the hot lesbians' type.
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Maybe he's under the dangerous assumption that he lives in a porno movie.
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Should've seen that coming! Wow! Glyph's got balls!
Deatzh: Oh snap. I wouldn't have said so if I saw your post.
So he wants a Bern sandwich!
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I somehow thing everybody is mistaking sheer stupidity for courage and bravery It's a very fine line and he's definitely crossed it.
Edit: had the stupidity and courage thing reversed.
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Maybe he's under the dangerous assumption that he lives in a porno movie.
Oh man, how'd you know?
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Bow chika oomp ba ow. Chika chika oomp ba bow.
I'd kind of suspected it when I saw his chin. Glyph has a unique face.
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And... Hammer punch to the side of glyph's face, fracturing his jaw and giving him a concussion...
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*BOWS IN AWE OF GLYPH*
I'M NOT WORTHY!
I'M NOT WORTHY!
I'M NOT WORTHY!
I'M NOT WORTHY!
I'M NOT WORTHY!
I wonder how Maytag will react, 'cos she's always armed thanks to her D-Bag. HA! I'm actually imagining Bern reaching into Maytag's chest and drawing out a couple of swords like the sword of Dios in Utena
(http://www.shoujoai.com/attach/34/578534/SwordOfDios.JPG)
Seriously though. I think either Glyph is under an enchantment or it's one of those twins using a spell to look like him and get him in trouble. Surely even Glyph isn't this game.
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That sounds kind of sexy. Someone should draw that!
Maybe...but think about it: Wouldn't you risk life and limb for a chance to get in on a Bern sandwich on Maytag bread?
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AVERAGE MAN'S BALLS
(http://www.sierrapg.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/golf_balls_4.jpg)
GLYPH'S BALLS
(http://www.armuproducts.com/basketballs/spalding-basketballs.jpg)
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I'm just waiting for Bern to do CQC on Glyph's ass.
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AVERAGE MAN'S BALLS
(http://www.sierrapg.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/golf_balls_4.jpg)
GLYPH'S BALLS
(http://www.armuproducts.com/basketballs/spalding-basketballs.jpg)
Churba's balls -
(http://www.alicesprings.nt.gov.au/var/news_site/storage/images/about/galleries/photographers/barry_allwright/the_devils_marbles/70283-1-eng-AU/the_devils_marbles_larger.jpg)
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@Churba: That looks like two sets of balls rubbing against each other. :o ;D :P
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Man, you all have really deformed testes.
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Maybe...but think about it: Wouldn't you risk life and limb for a chance to get in on a Bern sandwich on Maytag bread?
I think with my brain not my penis...
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Which is funny when one has penis on the brain.
Wait, what? :P
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Man, you all have really deformed testes.
Random fact aside from the joke - the one on the right is pretty close to the normal shape for a testicle.
Edit - @charles - I used to play baseball, I'm used to walking with four balls.
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@Churba: That looks like two sets of balls rubbing against each other. :o ;D :P
XD
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I cant wait for wednesday's page!
finally female fan service!
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I was wondering if women would regard Glyph's body as fan service. So it is hawt I take it? I always seem to think women would want just a bit more buff than that. Not over the top, muscles upon muscles, but just some slightly more broad shoulders and a bit of definition. *shrug* I'm not homosexual so I can't really guess at what might be hawt and not on a guy's body.
NEXT PAGE PREDICTION: Bern Turns around and kisses Glyph. :o :P
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AVERAGE MAN'S BALLS
(http://www.sierrapg.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/golf_balls_4.jpg)
GLYPH'S BALLS
(http://www.armuproducts.com/basketballs/spalding-basketballs.jpg)
Churba's balls -
(http://www.alicesprings.nt.gov.au/var/news_site/storage/images/about/galleries/photographers/barry_allwright/the_devils_marbles/70283-1-eng-AU/the_devils_marbles_larger.jpg)
CDSM's balls -
http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA09229.jpg
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@Deatzh: Yeah, I think he half comes across as almost a boy. He just looks like he's got baby silk skin and no body hair. His whole body comes across as more feminine than man. He just looks like he needs... something to make him look a bit more like a bloke than a pansy *shrug*. As you say each to their own. I'm not criticizing Brion's work here, I'm sure thats simply how Glyph looks, I'm just trying to measure "hawt" here *lol*
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Charles, I hear a lot of girls are into that kinda thing actually.. I wouldn't know :-\
But if anybody IS into that, I'd guess Bern and May would be (you know cause... lesbians.. yeah)
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So, major question right now: is Glyph visible to anyone other than the readers?
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@Tyris: Well, when we had Shepherd invisible, he was just a dotted line to us readers. But he'd still have to be worried about the clothes left on the floor and the water his body is displacing.
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Ten bucks says Glyph gets horribly, horribly mauled or at the very least injured in some way within 3 panels of the next page.
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Glyph is either invisible or there as part of a spell involving Bern's fears/May's desires. there's no way he's stupid enough to try this. My guess is that the bath is magic. Either way I actually hate Glyph even more now, even if he's not really there.
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I dare to think, "Glyph is an hero" were the words you were looking for, my friend.
I agree with Tropico, anyone who's that brave and awesome is a hero in my book!
I insist: Glyph is "an hero", not "a hero". Please stop misspelling it ;)
PS: go google it if you don't get the joke
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Glyph is either invisible or there as part of a spell involving Bern's fears/May's desires. there's no way he's stupid enough to try this. My guess is that the bath is magic. Either way I actually hate Glyph even more now, even if he's not really there.
As much as I'd just love to see Glyph involved in a reenactment of Ghastly's Ghasltly Comic (in)famous Chibi Sue vs the Pedophile joke (http://www.ghastlycomic.com/d/20030504.html), I fear I must agree with you. Either Glyph is monumentally stupid and suicidal, in which case good riddance of him, or Brion doesn't want to kill him off right now, in which case next comic will tell us how he gets away of this one (probably involving lots of magic). Because, you know, there is NO WAY Bern would let him get Scott-free of that. Notice the emphasis in the names...
Alternatively, hif he IS that stupid (I know many men who are when lesbians are involved), it's possible that Bern, sword-less, can not rip him a new asshole right away as he deserves. Since Bern is one of the Good Guys(Tm), even if killing him in the spot would be self-defence for her, if he manages to run away, she is unlikely to kill him later on, in cold blood. So maybe we can watch Glyph being mauled AND have him alive afterwards. That would be nice. Like making cake and eating it.
Yep. I now hate Glyph. Stepping uninvited into a couple is about the same as entering uninvited someone's bed: a sexual assault. No longer mere harrassment. No longer "cool pervert" act. He just stepped a line here. Personally, I'd love to be wrong in the "Brion wouldn't kill the new character so soon" part and have him be castrated now and here...
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Ten bucks says Glyph gets horribly, horribly mauled or at the very least injured in some way within 3 panels of the next page.
A fool's bet, of course. ;) He's dead. ;D
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Get the feeling he will get part of his anatomy ripped off and fed to the dog ;D "Lunch time Fido!"
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I insist: Glyph is "an hero", not "a hero". Please stop misspelling it ;)
PS: go google it if you don't get the joke
Lol, I got the /b/ reference don't worry ;) Personally I think he's both.
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Yep. I now hate Glyph. Stepping uninvited into a couple is about the same as entering uninvited someone's bed: a sexual assault.
Is that true? Getting into somebody's bed can be considered sexual assault? I can see the logic... do they have to be actually in the bed when you do it, or just the fact that it's their bed is enough?
(um... not that I have any real interest or anything, just curious :P)
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I imagine if you get in their bed and you're naked, covered in rose petals, and posing for them, then that might be sexual assault. Getting in their bed and falling asleep is probably not assault. XD
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Getting in someone's bed without permission is still tresspassing though...
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You're right, Necro. We do have a lack of smexy men nakedness. But I think Maytag being naked makes up for that.
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OH MAN GLYPH IS NOW AWESOME AND MY HERO :D hahahahah really can't wait for the next strip..
To you a Hero is some type of wierd sandwich not a nut who goes into a bath tub, sneaks up behind a naked Bern and taps her on the shoulder ;D
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I was wondering if women would regard Glyph's body as fan service. So it is hawt I take it? I always seem to think women would want just a bit more buff than that. Not over the top, muscles upon muscles, but just some slightly more broad shoulders and a bit of definition. *shrug* I'm not homosexual so I can't really guess at what might be hawt and not on a guy's body.
NEXT PAGE PREDICTION: Bern Turns around and kisses Glyph. :o :P
Yeah, because all men want enormous boobs, tans, and bleach-blonde hair too, right? ;)
I like the fanservice.
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I was wondering if women would regard Glyph's body as fan service. So it is hawt I take it? I always seem to think women would want just a bit more buff than that. Not over the top, muscles upon muscles, but just some slightly more broad shoulders and a bit of definition. *shrug* I'm not homosexual so I can't really guess at what might be hawt and not on a guy's body.
girls into manga/anime are usually into girl-looking guys
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Glyph's nice and toned. He isn't overly feminine or buff. Muscles are nice, but not when it's over the top like Armstrong or Schwarts....Shwaurtz...uh...Ah-nuld.
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Those question marks are...
What if it's some entity that doesn't realize how it's being 'bad'?
I'm guessing the question marks are about him just walking in the room by accident and being surprised to see the girls in the tub... something like "??? what is this? the girls in the tub? awesome."
Aside from that, I'm betting nothing is going through his mind aside from "bom-chika wow-woww.."
Btw, I do hope this isn't some kind of 'just kidding!' thing where it's an enchantment or an illusion or something... I really want to see this playing out for real.
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You've got to be fucking kidding me.
Seriously. What. The. Fuck.
I was prepping a long rant about how retarded this entire arc has been, but really, what's the point? I mean, you're obviously free to completely ignore your own character development for the sake of.... of what, exactly? I don't know even know what the point is. Nothing any of these people say or do is ever realistic or believable, I swear. Even if there is some stupid magical enchantment at work here, what's the point? You've already beaten us over the head with both May and Bernadette's perspectives in previous chapters. What new information are we getting out of this? Is there a point aside from fanservice for a few fans? This is ridiculous.
Goddamn, this strip never fails to piss me off. I keep occassionally coming back, though, because I have to admit I have a morbid curiosity to see what ridiculous crap you're going to pull next. Christ.
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You've got to be fucking kidding me.
Seriously. What. The. Fuck.
I was prepping a long rant about how retarded this entire arc has been, but really, what's the point? I mean, you're obviously free to completely ignore your own character development for the sake of.... of what, exactly? I don't know even know what the point is. Nothing any of these people say or do is ever realistic or believable, I swear.
Can you give us an example of this, other than today's page? I'm genuinely curious.
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*blink*
...
*blink again*
Okay, something is very definitely afoot here and at the very least Bern is going to be pissed as all hell when she finds out what it is.
Anyone want to take a bet on just how much blood is going to be spilled?
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WHAT. what. ....ffffff
My brain is still having trouble comprehending this.
I have a hard time believing this is some magic trick, or someone in disguise, or a dream, or whatever kind of crap could be pulled..
I wonder why Bern is acting this way... Is she caught up in the heat of the moment, or maybe consciously deciding to be more 'open' for May? I have a feeling she'll admit to regretting it later, regardless.
When I see those question marks though, I imagine it isn't anyone in the story, just Brion going "EVEN I DON'T GET IT GUYS" or something haha. Like it pulls out of the story and provides you with the "???" you were already thinking (that's probably not making any sense..). None of the characters look surprised or confused enough for it to apply to them.
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You've got to be fucking kidding me.
Seriously. What. The. Fuck.
I was prepping a long rant about how retarded this entire arc has been, but really, what's the point? I mean, you're obviously free to completely ignore your own character development for the sake of.... of what, exactly? I don't know even know what the point is. Nothing any of these people say or do is ever realistic or believable, I swear. Even if there is some stupid magical enchantment at work here, what's the point? You've already beaten us over the head with both May and Bernadette's perspectives in previous chapters. What new information are we getting out of this? Is there a point aside from fanservice for a few fans? This is ridiculous.
Goddamn, this strip never fails to piss me off. I keep occassionally coming back, though, because I have to admit I have a morbid curiosity to see what ridiculous crap you're going to pull next. Christ.
Get over it yah wee pansy!
This comic is better than anything you could ever make.
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...And then Glyph woke up, and it was all a dream.
Or hell, maybe Maytag. Or Crest.
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Uhm.
W. T. F.
Okay....
Wow.
xDD
Something tells me that Maytag is having a dream... a very wet dream.... ><;;;;
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Get over it yah wee pansy!
This comic is better than anything you could ever make.
Yeah, that's right! 8D Because NO ONE could EVER write anything better than this storyline! Man, if only I had thought to write out a story arc about a lesbian who just needed a MAN to set her straight and loosen her up a little! Brilliant! Why has no one else thought of this entirely believable and totally not-patronizing idea?! 8D
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Yeah, that's right! 8D Because NO ONE could EVER write anything better than this storyline! Man, if only I had thought to write out a story arc about a lesbian who just needed a MAN to set her straight and loosen her up a little! Brilliant! Why has no one else thought of this entirely believable and totally not-patronizing idea?! 8D
Ever heard of fan-service?
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Not at the expense of all the character development up until this point.
Last I checked, Brion was trying to write an actual story, and not just ridiculous soft-core porn.
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...And then Glyph woke up, and it was all a dream.
Or hell, maybe Maytag. Or Crest.
Hell, maybe this is what Moss sees when he looks at Bern. Thing is, we just don't know.
What we do know is that this is distinctly out of the ordinary, and something is not right. We'd like to give Brion some credit and assume that the wrongness is in-story, not out of it.
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Not at the expense of all the character development up until this point.
Last I checked, Brion was trying to write an actual story, and not just ridiculous soft-core porn.
What makes you assume that this destroys any of the recent character development?
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Oh, smells like an enchanted bath. Never trust Frank-N-Furter's tubs!
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lol at the people freaking out
obviously this has an explanation, just keep reading
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What makes you assume that this destroys any of the recent character development?
What makes you assume it doesn't?
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Not at the expense of all the character development up until this point.
Last I checked, Brion was trying to write an actual story, and not just ridiculous soft-core porn.
You are right in the part about character development. However, if you read a few posts before, Xshu mentioned a suspiction Bern could be under a spell, and my own post agreeing by him because, otherwise, Glyph would be dead meat right after having been introducted. It seems that's exactly what's happening.
Either that, or Brion has turned into a ridiculous soft-core porn fanfic writter. I give him the benefice of doubt in that and vote for option A :)
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What makes you assume it doesn't?
The last time I checked, illusions and manipulation could be caused by magic.
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Oh, smells like an enchanted bath. Never trust Frank-N-Furter's tubs!
Voting on this.
A bath which make a lesbian wanting to make out with a guy she hates as a pervert,classy ;)
Now we need also Crest so he could make out with Glyph.
I really want to see Bern look when she learns what she's doing...and with who ^^
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However, if you read a few posts before, Xshu mentioned a suspiction Bern could be under a spell,
There are all sorts of things it could be. That still doesn't make this scene necessary to the story. Lets say it is a spell, and the point of this story arc is to highlight Bern's shyness. We've been over that, though, many many times. Is there really an important enough revelation at the end of this to warrant this whole long, drawn-out stop at the B&B? Or maybe the point is to show that Glyph really is a dangerous pervert after all (he knew about this B&B beforehand, remember; his "You guys have got to check this place out" line, or whatever it was) and not to be trusted, but golly, I'm pretty sure this has been well covered, as well. And this too big of an out-of-character situation to just be dismissed as extra fanservice.
You guys give Brion too much credit. No, I don't think he's actually going to turn into a soft-core porn writer. But he has a habit of making characters behave inconsistently or introducing situations that either are unncessary or don't make sense in context just for the sake of forcing a particular plot point. I'm sure this will be resolved, but as usual, it comes off feeling like he's had these basic major scenes in his head for a long time, and he is just connecting the dots to get from one point to the other in ways that are often clunky or that don't fit well with what he's built up in the meantime.
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There are all sorts of things it could be. That still doesn't make this scene necessary to the story. Lets say it is a spell, and the point of this story arc is to highlight Bern's shyness. We've been over that, though, many many times. Is there really an important enough revelation at the end of this to warrant this whole long, drawn-out stop at the B&B? Or maybe the point is to show that Glyph really is a dangerous pervert after all (he knew about this B&B beforehand, remember; his "You guys have got to check this place out" line, or whatever it was) and not to be trusted, but golly, I'm pretty sure this has been well covered, as well. And this too big of an out-of-character situation to just be dismissed as extra fanservice.
You guys give Brion too much credit. No, I don't think he's actually going to turn into a soft-core porn writer. But he has a habit of making characters behave inconsistently or introducing situations that either are unncessary or don't make sense in context just for the sake of forcing a particular plot point. I'm sure this will be resolved, but as usual, it comes off feeling like he's had these basic major scenes in his head for a long time, and he is just connecting the dots to get from one point to the other in ways that are often clunky or that don't fit well with what he's built up in the meantime.
did it ever occur to you that maybe the reason he has his characters behave inconsistently with their developement is because he is trying to make them seem more human? besides if you had ever tried writing anything even halfway decent then you would know that alot those unnnessassary situations tend to be needed to move the plot along or else you have an excerpt not a story.
tho i do have a question for you eocene. if you hate the way brion is going about with his creation and you think it so horrid, what the fuck are you doing reading or even in the forums for?
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<nitpicking>Another proof for the water being magical is Maytags left hand on Berns shoulder....</nitpicking>
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You guys give Brion too much credit. No, I don't think he's actually going to turn into a soft-core porn writer. But he has a habit of making characters behave inconsistently or introducing situations that either are unncessary or don't make sense in context just for the sake of forcing a particular plot point. I'm sure this will be resolved, but as usual, it comes off feeling like he's had these basic major scenes in his head for a long time, and he is just connecting the dots to get from one point to the other in ways that are often clunky or that don't fit well with what he's built up in the meantime.
I agree to an extent, but in the end this kind of thing is his decision to make, whether you continue to read is up to you.
I'd say considering the nature of the comic, Brion does a damn good job of balancing fan service and the story.
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I don't like this.
I hope it's a spell. Or a dream.
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Count me as one who will be left with a very sick feeling to his stomach if there isn't some serious magic going on here. Otherwise... yay! Let's destroy Bern's personality so she can get with the hedonistic program!
If Bern doesn't react *very* badly to the whole thing at the end of the day, I will be more than disappointed.
Maaaaybe I should mention now that I never really 'got' the actual Rocky Horror Picture Show, and found parts of it pretty damned creepy.
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Get over it yah wee pansy!
This comic is better than anything you could ever make.
Tsst, I'd recommend you avoid this line of argument. It's just not a good one.
Ever heard of fan-service?
Well, I'd hardly call this fanservice. I'm definitely not serviced by what is basically magic-aided rape.
What makes you assume it doesn't?
A classic rebuttal.
lol at the people freaking out
obviously this has an explanation, just keep reading
I know, right?
There are all sorts of things it could be. That still doesn't make this scene necessary to the story. Lets say it is a spell, and the point of this story arc is to highlight Bern's shyness. We've been over that, though, many many times. Is there really an important enough revelation at the end of this to warrant this whole long, drawn-out stop at the B&B? Or maybe the point is to show that Glyph really is a dangerous pervert after all (he knew about this B&B beforehand, remember; his "You guys have got to check this place out" line, or whatever it was) and not to be trusted, but golly, I'm pretty sure this has been well covered, as well. And this too big of an out-of-character situation to just be dismissed as extra fanservice.
How is it out of character? First thing we see is Bern's "oh shit" face, the Glyph's "rape face", and then Bern's completely changed expression. Look, if this turns into some huge thing where yeah, Bern's straight'n'loose now, then yeah, you have a point, but this is ONE PAGE.
And yeah, it's disgusting. It's surprising. I didn't think Glyph would go further than the peeping tom stage either, but hey, this is just one page. We don't know where this going. It's an unexpected but not unrealistic revelation of his character.
You guys give Brion too much credit. No, I don't think he's actually going to turn into a soft-core porn writer. But he has a habit of making characters behave inconsistently or introducing situations that either are unncessary or don't make sense in context just for the sake of forcing a particular plot point. I'm sure this will be resolved, but as usual, it comes off feeling like he's had these basic major scenes in his head for a long time, and he is just connecting the dots to get from one point to the other in ways that are often clunky or that don't fit well with what he's built up in the meantime.
We knew this story was about sex since page one. We shouldn't be surprised when people are shown having sex.
You need to chill out and be okay with stories that have these kind of things in them, just because it affronts your sensibilities doesn't mean that it's "not necessary", in fact, sometimes jarring people can be used by a story to get its point across.
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You know, there are a lot of valid points and interesting ideas about the new page today.
Hell, maybe it's what Glyph is imagining will happen and the next comic they'll all be in lobster suits doing the macarena.
The thing is, I'm curious as hell to see wtf is going on @_@. I'll hold off judgment til I see what happens.
What I do see, however, is that everyone's so wound up about the kiss and potential and confusing three-way that seems to be developing for no reason that they failed to notice Maytag's left arm has reappeared magically. Is this a sign that this scene isn't real or perhaps a slip up by the artist.
I don't know. But I think there needs to be more pages right now to clear this up. /flail
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i'm guessing a spell on the bath to help its users to express their desires at that time. in bern's case- to be more open. in may's- to help bern. glyph's-...if you can't guess his desires come back when your a little older. :P
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Hmm, I'm guessing it's either Bern trying to be more open, or magic bath, either way, this should prove very interesting...
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AUGH WTF.
I was hoping Glyph would get his ass KICKED. Seeing Bern kiss a man made me rage a little. But there's still time for Glyph to redeem himself. You know, by dying.
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Need to add here... I can see maybe Bern trying to be more open. But... there's being more open and there's 'woo, let's have a threesome with a perverted creep I barely know and don't like!' It just strains credibility to me that she'd make that kind of leap naturally. Which means that it's either unnatural or this comic has taken a turn where I really, *really* would rather not go.
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eh just wait, i'm willing to bet that this is going to come back and really bite glyph in the ass. with two pointy steel teeth.
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There are all sorts of things it could be. That still doesn't make this scene necessary to the story.
Just curious, how do you define what is "necessary" and what isn't? I'm guessing that what you really mean is that this direction of story is simply not to your taste. If that's the case, there's nothing wrong with that, but please consider that perhaps I have no interest in telling a story that is suited to your tastes.
Lets say it is a spell, and the point of this story arc is to highlight Bern's shyness.
No, that's not the point.
to warrant this whole long, drawn-out
It's actually paced pretty quickly. It should be paced a bit slower, but I'm trying to keep it moving
You guys give Brion too much credit.
I don't know about that, perhaps some of them do. I think most people here have a tendency to be harsh.
<nitpicking>Another proof for the water being magical is Maytags left hand on Berns shoulder....</nitpicking>
Damn it, I keep forgetting. Sorry...
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Heyho. Just a newbie here. I finally registered after reading the last page of the comic...
Really I just wanted to say that I do think that people are being a little excessively harsh at the moment. I do believe a lot of the reactions are knee-jerk and a bit premature...
That said, I've always respected the fact that Brion has created a true lesbian character in Bernadette and not just the usual, unrealistic male fantasy 'lesbian that also sleeps with men for the sake fanservice' girl. She's a lesbian and "boys are gross" to her. She's also possessive over her partner and shy about her own body, that's been firmly established. Everything that's happing on this last page is completely and utterly out-of-character for Bern and I am really hoping that Brion has a good, plot driven reason for this, I really do...
I'm also of the mind that the bath or something in the room is enchanted.
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Well, obviously I don't want to give anything away. But let me just assure you, there is nothing out of character about the latest page.
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Ah, but out of whose character?
*fingerwaggle*
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Count me as one who will be left with a very sick feeling to his stomach if there isn't some serious magic going on here. Otherwise... yay! Let's destroy Bern's personality so she can get with the hedonistic program!
If Bern doesn't react *very* badly to the whole thing at the end of the day, I will be more than disappointed.
Maaaaybe I should mention now that I never really 'got' the actual Rocky Horror Picture Show, and found parts of it pretty damned creepy.
Should reply with a wholehearted "I agree" one-liner, but for the fact I *did* get the actual RHPS.
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Went back and read the last three pages together -- I didn't notice the question marks on the previous pages, maybe they were added in at a later time? They're totally confusing me.
Anyway -- I'm thinking this is a fantasy of Glyph's. He's peeping, and the rest is a fantasy.
That, or he's taking advantage of the magic tub that he must've known about when he went on about how great the B&B was. If that's the case -- well there's three girls around, he probably thought he was bound to get lucky with at least one of them in the magic water.
Anxious for the next page.
*un-jerks knee* Ah.. That's better.
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I forgot to add that even *MAYTAG* should react with extreme anger. Because she knows that Bern would NOT like it; in other words, she knows it's an attack against Bern. And we all know how she reacts to threats to Bern.
Actually, our hopes now *are* for a bit of double-teaming sandwich of May-Glyph-Bern. One involving lots of sharp, pointy things instead of butter.
;D I just realiced... if Crest joins them in the "gangbang" and "hits on" Glyph with a "big stick"... would that count as Fanservice? ;D :P ;)
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<nitpicking>Another proof for the water being magical is Maytags left hand on Berns shoulder....</nitpicking>
Damn it, I keep forgetting. Sorry...
Just a suggestion but, remove her hand from the 3rd last pane, but have her "stub" reaching up to Bern's shoulder instead. Somehow it just seems like a wrong yet right touch.
NEXT PAGE PREDICTION: Bern Turns around and kisses Glyph. :o :P
Yep. I simply imagined the most unlikely and controversial response and knew instantly that Brion would do it. ;)
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O.o
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Interesting!
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I forgot to add that even *MAYTAG* should react with extreme anger. Because she knows that Bern would NOT like it; in other words, she knows it's an attack against Bern. And we all know how she reacts to threats to Bern.
Actually, our hopes now *are* for a bit of double-teaming sandwich of May-Glyph-Bern. One involving lots of sharp, pointy things instead of butter.
;D I just realiced... if Crest joins them in the "gangbang" and "hits on" Glyph with a "big stick"... would that count as Fanservice? ;D :P ;)
What's Suspiria up to? Throw her in, then add a dozen puppies, a slip n slide, a crate full of carrots, Flintstone chewable vitamins, 2 sea otters and Chuck Norris. When the host of the place wonders what's going on, Moss can come in and yell, "The Aristocrats!"
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@Deatzh: Your incentive to fill the "little pit of rage" with about 20 new posts *lol*
Just went over the entire chapter and remembering THIS PAGE (http://www.flipsidecomics.com/comic.php?i=827) with Moss and the twins, I notice he said you which leaves me thinking they might not be twins but the same person.
The chapter cover looks very strange as Maytag faces off against the cast of this castle, so it's almost looking like she alone is the one worrying here. I feel like this whole thing is some sort of experiment and knowing that Moss can see people's weaknesses I can instantly see how he could be a part of whatever process this involves, discovering each of the subject's "weaknesses". A knowledge that might be crucial to whatever experiment they're conducting.
Maytag's weakness was her infidelity and in the interview section he described Bern's as the fact she's a Lesbian (although it was before she "came out" so it might not be considered her weakness anymore). Glyph's is almost certainly an obsession with women. Then we get to possible desires: 1. Glyph - would obviously desire the threesome. 2. Bern - possibly desires to be more open and free like (and for) Maytag. 3. Maytag - probably desires an open relationship with Bern.
Crest asked at page 6 or something if Maytag's statements were really what she wanted. She was under a truth spell but she was stating what she'd do with a conviction she felt at the time, not that making Bern happy was her greatest desire. In a way, I guess this could be showing a deep seated desire of Bern to make Maytag happy but that Maytag's deep seated desire is still for Bern to change and make her happy. *shrug*
PEOPLE: just don't forget that we have at least Moss as a 2nd level sorcerer, then we've got the B&B sign out the front which was hovering/floating and weighed down to the ground so it's looking like magick is involved in this place. Not sure to what level or what purpose, but the rates for the rooms are too cheap IMHO for the quality of their accomodation so this whole thing feels like either one big trap or one big experiment.
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I don't like this.
I hope it's a spell. Or a dream.
I'm thinking either one, or even both. It's certainly possible.
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@Deatzh: Your incentive to fill the "little pit of rage" with about 20 new posts *lol*
Just went over the entire chapter and remembering THIS PAGE (http://www.flipsidecomics.com/comic.php?i=827) with Moss and the twins, I notice he said you which leaves me thinking they might not be twins but the same person.
I think he was just talking to one of them.
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Well, a page like this certainly does bring people out of the woodwork... (myself included)
Long time lurker, newbie poster.
The castle is obviously a bit weird - the B&B sign was fresh, a bit ornate for the price, awfully weird inhabitants and the bath a little too convenient. All this adds up to some kind of setup.
My prediction is that Glyph is not even himself - either it's Moss in disguise or more likely, it's a potion of possession served with the sandwiches.
Add to that a bath likely enchanted by Moss for this purpose and you have an instant threesome. This will serve 2 purposes - it will help Bern out of her shell, but it will make Maytag freak out because of her sense of morality (it's always been her choice and on her terms - she did also commit to just being with Bern).
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAH ok there's no way that's real, come on :D Definitely had me going there for a second though. I do hope shit hits the fan as soon as someone either wakes up, 'resists' the spell, or steps out of the pool, though.
What's Suspiria up to? Throw her in, then add a dozen puppies, a slip n slide, a crate full of carrots, Flintstone chewable vitamins, 2 sea otters and Chuck Norris. When the host of the place wonders what's going on, Moss can come in and yell, "The Aristocrats!"
Ok, that's the first Aristocrats joke I've seen in my entire life that was actually funny. Congratulations!
(Um, also, eocene: Shut. The Hell. Up. For godsakes. Some people.. ::))
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Yo Guys. Please remain civil... All sides.
We're all in love with Brion's comic and the characters he's created. This page is obviously supposed to catch us off guard in a WTF moment which is bound to raise controversy and cause people to hate, love and question the sudden turn.
Lets voice our concerns, our fears, likes, dislikes, theories and opinions but lets keep it all friendly and respectful between us. The whole forum's purpose is for people to voice their thoughts and opinions as well as communicate with fellow fans.
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Please don't let it be true. Please don't let it be true. This can't be happening, I refuse to believe it. It is totally out of character, Maytag maybe, but not Bern. Something is afoot. If this were true I would have to stop reading, that would be too much. Good thing this is just some sort of bizarre dream, delusion or magic. (sits in the corner rocking back and forth)
(http://roninchan.deviantart.com/art/WTF-OAO-49721597)
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I think you were trying to display this:
(http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs13/f/2007/057/0/3/WTF_OAO_by_RoninChan.jpg)
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Wow...that, um...seemed a little uncalled for, guys. I don't think this is so deserving of all the ranting and complaining. Really. Do try and think about where they are, too. What if the hot tub has some sort of spell? Perhaps it brings out hidden desires. Things do happen in the heat of passion. Let's try and be sensible here. I don't think Brion needs all this flame.
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Anyone who thinks this is real is being ridiculous.
On the other hand, this being real would be the biggest plot-twist ever. I might stop reading it because it would shatter my image of my favorite character, but I would respect Brion's massive balls all the same.
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I think the more interesting question is -- what if it's not a spell.
I mean, hey, people change. Sometimes they try to change and succeed, sometimes they don't try to change but change anyway. Bern would hardly be the first person to try something new, and perhaps regret it later.
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Wow...that, um...seemed a little uncalled for, guys. I don't think this is so deserving of all the ranting and complaining. Really. Do try and think about where they are, too. What if the hot tub has some sort of spell? Perhaps it brings out hidden desires. Things do happen in the heat of passion. Let's try and be sensible here. I don't think Brion needs all this flame.
One things for sure, it means the readers are really involved and like the story. Some people are just "casual readers" who read but don't really care about what's going on.
Anywho, I'm like a few of the other "long-time readers but first-time posters" here. I think reading all the rants and speculations are fun. No matter if you disagree with what's said, it gets you thinking at least, eh? :P
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So...this was a publicity stunt, then?
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Of course not. O: Just stating an opinion here.
(Plus I've been meaning to join this forum for ages, but I'm lazy.)
But anyway, I'm putting my bet in with the idea that there's some enchantments involved.
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I think the more interesting question is -- what if it's not a spell.
Well said, couldn't agree with you more.
Honestly I think it's not likely the bath isn't enchanted somehow, but I'd love to see just how many, would be shocked and claim to stop reading
because, it turns out Bern isn't as 100% monogamous/lesbian as they seem to believe.
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I think the more interesting question is -- what if it's not a spell.
I mean, hey, people change. Sometimes they try to change and succeed, sometimes they don't try to change but change anyway. Bern would hardly be the first person to try something new, and perhaps regret it later.
Given that Bern just expressed shyness about undressing in other people's houses, given that she admitted to being ashamed of her sexuality only a few pages back, given that she took pains to make sure Glyph didn't know she was going to take a bath and given that she threatened to CUT GLYPH'S EYES OUT for looking at her naked, it seems nigh-impossible she'd just shrug and says "OK, I want a man, and I want this man who I expressed contempt for repeatedly only a short time ago, as he comes in and violates my privacy once more against my express wishes" I don't think she's changed that much in the last few minutes, no.
If she did open up and experiment, it wouldn't be so quickly and it certainly wouldn't be with Glyph right then and there. No, when you see something inappropriate with a magic-using sort who's already casually violated the same women, it's a pretty safe bet that this is more magic at work. If it's real and not a magical projection or fantasy, then it's an ugly rape. Glyph will be lucky if he gets out of this with a gelding.
Perhaps Nessie will intervene... she's been out of action for a while.
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I think the more interesting question is -- what if it's not a spell.
Well said, couldn't agree with you more.
Honestly I think it's not likely the bath isn't enchanted somehow, but I'd love to see just how many, would be shocked and claim to stop reading
because, it turns out Bern isn't as 100% monogamous/lesbian as they seem to believe.
Well, you'd probably be giggling over me leaving. Because if it's NOT a spell... then it's just one of the dumbest developments I can imagine, and I think it would be a betrayal of the investment people have made in following these characters just to do something 'ballsy'. And while Brion may indeed have guts, I don't think he's going to do something flagrantly stupid just to prove it.
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Well, you'd probably be giggling over me leaving. Because if it's NOT a spell... then it's just one of the dumbest developments I can imagine, and I think it would be a betrayal of the investment people have made in following these characters just to do something 'ballsy'. And while Brion may indeed have guts, I don't think he's going to do something flagrantly stupid just to prove it.
Yeah it'd be hilarious, but seriously I don't think Brion actually meant to prove himself "ballsy" in anyway with this scenario,
if anything I feel it's a reminder of a consistent theme around the characters, which generally involves changing in some way for the benefit of themself or another.
I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised to find that this incident contributes to May and Bern's relationship.
Furthermore, investing in the following of these characters would easily lead to being betrayed. Throughout the story so far it's easy to tell that the
characters aren't always gonna react in the way you might think or like. Personally it's what I like best about this comic's story, because of the way Brion balances the inconsistency of these characters I find them more and more human. (Oh man, someone already said it...)
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IT'S NOT A SPELL AND IT'S REAL:
I'm of the opinion that this is a spell or dream but what if we examine the argument above. The vast majority of what we know about Bern's personality is that she should be totally enraged or horrified by Glyph's presence and the last thing we'd expect is for her to turn around and start kissing him, etc.
So what hints or unknown parts could hint at something else. For one, Bern grew up in Brothel, drinking since she was a little girl to "make the pain go away". Heck, her mother was presumably a whore who gave birth to her out of wedlock. At some point, a knight who taught her swordplay and the principals of the LaShoar Knights stopped showing up to give her lessons, etc and the Brothel she lived in burnt down. Either before or shortly after that, she would have discovered/decided upon her sexual preference for women. Bern then went on to join a gang (who appear to consist of lesbian or bi-sexual women) while she was in a relationship with Clairen and quit it after discovering Clairen cheating on her with the Gang leader who she had a crush on. That scar on her cheek also hold a painful memory for her apparently and it's indicated that she doesn't like talking about her past and appears to hold some significant guilt over something in it. She's been asked if she ever had sex with a man before and she refrained from answering.
So she's the bastard daughter of a whore and knight, brought up in a brothel during her childhood, drinking to "make the pain go away" who joined a gang before presumably finding more savory "errands" to run for people or jobs such as bodyguard and arms instruction... She still drinks, so the pain is still there.
My opinion. We have a girl with a very dark upbringing who's quite likely hiding what she sees as both a painful and shameful past behind the principals taught to her by the man who she looks upon as a father figure. It's almost like some long repressed urges may have just snapped inside her. Maybe her objections have more been a result of guilt on "what would Grant think if he knew?" than her personal feelings. Maytag's lack of surprise at this has me confused, but it's almost like she's understanding it (i.e. she may know some things about Bern we don't that help this make sense).
*meh* as before I think it's dream/magick but there's plenty of hints at unknown history and feelings which may come to light.
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Just registred to say that I'm VERY disappointed by this twist and disgusted by that scene.
Seriously, after this I'm very tempted to quit reading this... congratulations...
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Given that Bern just expressed shyness about undressing in other people's houses, given that she admitted to being ashamed of her sexuality only a few pages back, given that she took pains to make sure Glyph didn't know she was going to take a bath and given that she threatened to CUT GLYPH'S EYES OUT for looking at her naked, it seems nigh-impossible she'd just shrug and says "OK, I want a man, and I want this man who I expressed contempt for repeatedly only a short time ago, as he comes in and violates my privacy once more against my express wishes" I don't think she's changed that much in the last few minutes, no.
If she did open up and experiment, it wouldn't be so quickly and it certainly wouldn't be with Glyph right then and there. No, when you see something inappropriate with a magic-using sort who's already casually violated the same women, it's a pretty safe bet that this is more magic at work. If it's real and not a magical projection or fantasy, then it's an ugly rape. Glyph will be lucky if he gets out of this with a gelding.
Perhaps Nessie will intervene... she's been out of action for a while.
All of this. The previous comic threw me because Bern's supposed to be a fairly seasoned vet, and you don't just turn your hearing off to someone stripping behind you and getting into your pool. That aside, my first thought was, word for word, "Someone is about to get their shit wrecked." Like TF Commando said, she was just threatening him pretty harshly not long ago, and now is suddenly okay with this? Not a damn chance. She's too nice to literally make good on the cutting eyes out thing, but it's well within her personality to send him flying out of the pool bleeding and broken.
You spend how long developing the characters in the series, and then slip something in that throws all of what you thought you know in your face? Right. That'll go over well. ::)
Just,
Another Reader
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@Jazer: You should have seen the number of disappointed and horrified readers who came in here when Mary held the childs leg in her teeth.
All I'll suggest is that you keep reading, wait and see before you place too much judgement based on this page alone.
Remember also, that whatever occurs, is something that Brion would have planned from the very start. He's fully aware of his characters, who they are, where they've been, the secrets they hide, their past and the vast majority of their future. Everything will almost certainly make sense with past events when it's all explained later.
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All of this. The previous comic threw me because Bern's supposed to be a fairly seasoned vet, and you don't just turn your hearing off to someone stripping behind you and getting into your pool. That aside, my first thought was, word for word, "Someone is about to get their shit wrecked." Like TF Commando said, she was just threatening him pretty harshly not long ago, and now is suddenly okay with this? Not a damn chance. She's too nice to literally make good on the cutting eyes out thing, but it's well within her personality to send him flying out of the pool bleeding and broken.
As Charles said earlier that "change" of Bern's is probably going to be explained soon enough.
There's really no point in getting disappointed because Bern did not react in a logical or any other manner you see fit.
@ Jazer: It's one thing to express how you feel about the scene, but it's another to sarcastically congratulate someone for making you not read the comic anymore.
It's like asking to be told that no one cares about whether or not you'll continue to read the comic.
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Except, had I not come here and dug through a forum, would I have ever found that out? Or, like most readers, would I have just said, "What in the hell is going on?" with a mildly pissed expression? Let's be realistic. I'm more than confident enough to bet that the majority of readers, even the consistent ones, don't even notice these forums. They visit the site, click the link to the new comic, read, and move on. Hell, it's what I've done since this comic started, and what the couple others who introduced it to me have done.
Short version: most readers are going to say WTF, and are going to get pissed. Are you shocked about the response here?
Just,
Another Reader
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Flipside appears to get about 40,000 unique web hits per day. There are maybe 40 active posters here at best (I think my recent "GOD's OF FLIPSIDE" topic is a good list of the active forumites) and while this has certainly stirred up some casual readers into joining the forum and voicing their opinions on this page, it's still a minor amount compared to all the readers Brion has. I'm betting that unless Brion starts killing characters in quick succession, they're still going to stick around. Heck, he was about to have Bern Raped and Maytag cut her boobs off and the readers are still here. He had Maytag's arm eaten off and people are still here. Kinndred was killed by Bloody Mary and people are still here. Bloody Mary was given a measure of redemption and left to live after working to kill people in the most gruesome and painful way possible and the readers are still here.
But I certainly like how this shock has brought in some fresh blood and opinions to the forums. Not that I don't love the people here, but I think its been a bit stale and content for too long. So welcome aboard "Another Reader".
Most of us around here tend to find that Brion is anything BUT predictable. But at the same time nothing in his story appears fully chaotic as he seems to have planned everything out in general so in one way or another, it all lines up with what we've seen and what we're yet to see.
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all i can say Intresting and totally unexpected. reckon there is no magic at work and maybe Bern is making an atempt to be a bit more open like May is but who knows.
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Actually I didn't expect this kind of response...still not sure why a few readers are upset as they are.
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Well, I would advise everybody to stay calm and think about this logically. I seriously went 'what the fuck' when I saw this page- but my favorite course of action is to wait and observe. I can't make any judgements on the storyline until I have more information. Maybe we'll get insight on the next page, but throwing the comic away with so little information seems silly.
Still, fresh blood in this forum is always nice. ./licks lips
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Down Akashayi down I say......
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Eep.... :'(
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Still, fresh blood in this forum is always nice. ./licks lips
Dear lord! Will nothing quench the Demon Goddess' thirst?
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She has not got through us lot yet never mind going onto the youn' blud's ;D
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I know I'm beating a dead horse here, but I had to comment on this page. XD
I'm hoping to god that this is a daydream of Glyph or it's not really happening and if it is.. there's a spell or something. I don't know. I don't mean to be petty, but I think the writer is better than to apparently just throw this complete.. twist in Bern's personality there. XD I trust the writer!
Haha, he's probably laughing at all of us losing our heads over this..
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Oh, but Akasha is the nice one ;) /flexes claws
And I think Charles might be on to something with his 'surpressed upbringing' theory
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I think the more interesting question is -- what if it's not a spell.
Well said, couldn't agree with you more.
Honestly I think it's not likely the bath isn't enchanted somehow, but I'd love to see just how many, would be shocked and claim to stop reading
because, it turns out Bern isn't as 100% monogamous/lesbian as they seem to believe.
well at the same time. brion never really did come out and say that bern's 100% lesbian he just said she was a lesbian. normally if someone says they are straight or gay it is just assumed that it is 100%, but in reality very few people (percentage wise) are 100% one way or the other.
but going backand rereading the chapter from the beginning i am beginning to think that maybe moss has figured out a way to make people live out their worst fears or weakness and kinda decided to have some fun at maytag's expense. remember he was a little flustered that his curse didn't faze maytag. after all while maytag may be open about sleeping with others or cheating. she may be hurt if bern did it to her.
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But last time we saw Moss he was befriending May. I guess that was a while ago, but I still doubt he would fuck with May to this extent. Maybe I'm wrong, though.
And seriously, the number of people coming in here yelling about what's happening is just sad. Seriously, people, talk to your kids about Genre Blindness. We can eliminate it one of these days.
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For me the question is, what's going on in panel 2 and 3. In panel 1 bern clearly looks suprised, maybe shocked. The only way I can interpret panel 4 is, that glyph is suprised by this reaction. So why does bern go from suprised to passionate in these two panels. Is she remindet of something in her past, or does something magic kick in just now?
Clearly, there is something we don't know. (Captain Obvious to the rescue.)
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Well, that was... unexpected, somewhat. But it's not illogical as some people has said. In my experience, there's two possible reasons for people to have things so clear about something like that (in this case, Bern being completely monogamous):
- That's the way that person is.
- That person is not really like that, but he/she feels guilty about it, and showing like the extreme opposite to others is their way to take that guilt out.
Most people have reacted this way at least one time in their life, it's a very human reaction. I'm not saying that's the case here, it could be magic or some other explanation, but it wouldn't be illogical or out of character.
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Hi long time reader first time poster. Now I'm not going to quit reading or anything because I really do like the story but whats going on sort of feels like a fan-fic. I trust Brion will have a good reason for Bern to pull such a complete 180. (Personally I'm voting for magic it's the simplest answer) Sure there has been some shocking moments in the story but they never felt out of place. This feels out of place!
I feel much better now thank you for your time.
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Alright everyone! Brion has said that there's nothing out of character about the last page and that we will obviously get what's going on soon! I think we all need to just calm down and wait for the next couple of pages before we all start walking out. This may be more about establishing what kind of character Glyph is and what he's truly capable of, more than it is about May and Bern. I really doubt that Brion would have his girls act so completely out of character without good reason. Even without magical influence, there's no way May would let this situation go ahead (especially with such an out-and-out pervert like Glyph, who she knows Bern doesn't trust or even like) without at least talking to Bern to see how she felt about it first.
Still to the posters that are wondering why people are getting upset, I do understand where they're coming from. I have several lesbian friends who get extremely upset by tv programs and stories that establish characters as being lesbian (not bi, lesbian), then have said character flippantly and rather casually sleep with a man/men. I've had conversations about it with them and the main gripe seems to be that it just adds to the very generalised and very wrong opinion that all lesbians simply can't resist a good man when he's there in front of them, all sexy and what-not. They find it offensive and demeaning. Many gay people struggle for a long time with their sexuality and it's something they've been through a lot to come to terms with as well as coming out of the closest to friends and family afterwards. It often takes a lot more thought for a gay person to establish their identity than a straight person and to cast that all aside without an extremely strong and solid reason/plot behind it... well, that's just... disrespectful, I suppose is the word.
No one is denying that sexual experimentation happens sometimes, but to casually throw a character's established sexuality to the wind in, what appears to be, such a blasé male fan service type situation... I think that is why so many people are angry.
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Can't the girl just be horny for once? :-*
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I agree with lightandmagic on this.
This just feel so out of character for Bern and even for May.
Bern is not a lesbian who is looking for her sexual identity,she knows what she wants,she knows she only prefers girls,at least that's my opinion by reading this comic from start,we don't get even one hint that Bern could be interested in guys or that she would be damaged and she would hate guys by some kind past incident which changed her into lesbian,I always though her sexuality was just like a straight guy,liking only girls and even not bothering by looking at guys.
I must admit that it would be a total shock for me if what happened so far would be done without binding Bern and May free will,not influenced by any magic.
Making a lesbian straight in two pages is just somehow very wrong in my eyes,like author is violating Bern character to please some horny male readers who would prefer Bern to be just like May,and that's what is bothering me,this whole chapter just looks like a cheap porn flick.
Can't the girl just be horny for once? :-*
Well so far we learned that only May gets Bern horny not a guy she can't stand,it's just look so unnatural,first Bern is looking surprised but after seeing it's Glyph she get's even more horny and kiss him,if it was real Bern who would get horny by making out with May,Glyph would be dead by now :P
It's just some my personal ranting,cause beside this comic I read frequently,few other things(comics and mangas) I follow dissapointed me lately.
But I'm curious to see with few next pages what Brion planned as conclusion for this chapter.
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Personally I believe that one or more people in that scene aren't who they appear to be. Who knows, I could be wrong, that's just what seems to be the case.
peace,
CR
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Agree with a previous poster... this update really brought some of us out of the woodwork. X3
Outrage and wonder (and for some, disgust) were obviously the emotions that were to be evoked by the most recent update.
Well done, Brion. You have succeeded. :)
Can't wait for tomorrow's update!
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Can't the girl just be horny for once? :-*
I agree with Kiran. Yes, Bern can be horny, clearly she's horny for May. But she is an established lesbian. Lesbian's do not just randomly jump in the sack with men simply because they're 'horny'.
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I don't think that having sex with a man, when you're lesbian should mean that you're straight.
Same thing for a straight person having sex with a gay person.
I always thought of sexual orientation as a general preference really.
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I know Brion can be very sensitive when it comes to the comments on his forum, so let me say this:
"Brion! Don't let people scare you away from writing the story you intended! If someone stops reading a story because of a simple twist, they didn't care much about the story anyway."
Besides, I doubt they'll stop anyway. It's like the story of the radio host... An old lady called in and said that she absolutely hates the show. She listens every day and couldn't find a single thing good to say about it. She was disgusted.
The host was absolutely delighted and thanked her for listening in every day. :D
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I don't think that having sex with a man, when you're lesbian should mean that you're straight.
Same thing for a straight person having sex with a gay person.
I always thought of sexual orientation as a general preference really.
Indeed. If a lesbian has sex with a man it doesn't mean she's straight. It means she's bi. Or pan.
What's with people not understanding what the word "lesbian" means?
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<nitpicking>Another proof for the water being magical is Maytags left hand on Berns shoulder....</nitpicking>
This. THIS!!!!
No really, just pointing it out again for Brion to future-correct, since yet another big mistake-o is getting lost in the RAGING FIRES OF DEBATE. Good catch Belhalhar. :-)
Also to the pages and pages of debate: sheesh. Wait for page 26 before postulating? Yes, yes, that takes all the fun out of it, I know.
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I know I'm beating a dead horse here, but I had to comment on this page. XD
I'm hoping to god that this is a daydream of Glyph or it's not really happening and if it is.. there's a spell or something. I don't know. I don't mean to be petty, but I think the writer is better than to apparently just throw this complete.. twist in Bern's personality there. XD I trust the writer!
Haha, he's probably laughing at all of us losing our heads over this..
Couldn't agree more.
When I first read the page I was disgusted.
It seems to me at first, that Bern has made a sudden 180 degrees turn: instead of characteristically punching the pervert in the face, she kisses him.
The apparent reason for that extremely odd behavior being "talking with May about becoming a little bit more open minded".
Knowing Berns character, that reason alone is way too weak for such a change of heart - she have such strong beliefs on that subject (disgusted with men, wanted monogamous relationship, interested in May only and last being rather uptight and hard to change her beliefs).
It is to be expected that Bern will make a very long change of character and eventually become just A BIT less uptight for May's sake, but such changes cannot occur overnight, and definitely not over 1 minute!
After rereading the page and a bit of thinking, I decided that my sudden urge to vomit was most likely misplaced ;D
First of all, Brion handle his characters really well during the entire series, which is probably why we're all here reading this comic :P a sudden and unreasonable change of character has never happened before.
Secondly, there are many factors here that might be at work.
- The weird owner that at least to me seems like he WANTS them to use the bathroom, possible to peep or perhaps something different. I was halfway expecting to see him or his slave peeping on them if nothing else. It also wouldn't surprise me if there was something fishy in the water, so to speak.
- Moss who didn't reveal himself to May when he saw her. Last we saw him he was on really good terms with her, but he also was a potential suitor who desired her.
- Glyph actually BEING in the bathroom, which is LOCKED FROM THE INSIDE according to Bern. Magics or other sort of illusions are at work here, even if it's just him turning invisible to wait in that room.
So basically, I just expect a good continuation that will explain what happened in the bathroom, whether it's a dream sequence, hallucination, love-potion in the water, mind affecting magic or something better that I just didn't think about! :P
P.S.
Enough with boring characters like Glyph... Nessy should wake up already :-*
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So yeah.
I Think this is the thought that Glyph is having while he's wanking.
I am not convinced that Bernedette would just let a semi random guy fuck her.
I mean his approach is pretty rad though (No words, just action and complete confidence.)
Also I would like to highlight the fact that the artist very conspiciously doesn't show his penis, so Glyph might actually be a female in drag.
@Razzly. In the United States, people seem to think that bisexuals don't exsit. If you're into chicks and you shag a dude, all your previous sexual experiances are rendered meaningless. This flies in the face of actaully imperiacal knowedge that says that someone may identify as homosexual or heterosexaul and have occasional lovers of thier nonprefered gender or identify as bisexual but only ever have sex with one gender for whatever reason. I blame the media.
see "no bisexuals" @ www.tvtropes.org
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I don't think that having sex with a man, when you're lesbian should mean that you're straight.
Same thing for a straight person having sex with a gay person.
I always thought of sexual orientation as a general preference really.
*nods to Razzly* I think my gay and lesbian friends would strongly disagree with you there (particularly my more feminist lesbian friends). The battle cry for gay people has always been that sexuality is not a simply choice or a casual 'preference' subject to change whenever.
People with with more fluid sexuality like Maytag do not identify themselves as 'lesbian', because they aren't. Lesbian's do NOT flippantly or randomly sleep around with men. Sleeping with men would mean that the girl is either bisexual or pansexual.
So yes, lesbian? In the words of Mel from Queer as Folk: "Not if you're f*cking men you're not!"
(That's not to say that sometimes something might happen with a member of the opposite gender... be it a drunken thing or a gay person happening to fall for someone of the opposite gender. Sometimes it does happen.)
But this is completely off topic. I don't think Bern's sexuality is the issue as much as the out of character-ness of the situation (which I'm sure will have a reasonable answer!). I think it would be almost as out of character for Bern had a random woman snuck into the bath given her shy and possesive personality!
Quite simply, Bern would not be so easily turned on by a naked man, particularly one whom she had only moments ago raged at for being a pervert invading her privacy. She was horrified at the idea of him seeing her naked in the carriage, so it would be a complete contradiction for her to enjoy it in the bath! That's why there must be something funny afoot.
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And We don't even know that Glyph really has a penis.
Or testicals.
I mean it'd have to be really tiny to be completly obscured by his thigh like that.
And if he has a micropenis, that's almost the same as shagging a girl, AMIRIGHT! ;)
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*facepalm*
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OOOOH YEAH!
You know what I'm talkin' about! ;)
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@Razzly. In the United States, people seem to think that bisexuals don't exsit. If you're into chicks and you shag a dude, all your previous sexual experiance are rendered meaningless. This flies in the face of actaully imperiacal knowedge that says that someone may identify as homosexual or heterosexaul and have occasional lovers of thier nonprefered gender or identify as bisexual but only ever have sex with one gender for whatever reason. I blame the media.
see "no bisexuals" @ www.tvtropes.org
Tell that to the idiotic girls in my school who say they're bisexual "just to be cool".
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I myself identify as bi, even though i've only ever had sex with other men. But not for lack trying let me tell you. :(
And it sounds like the girls at your shcool are too young to be anything.
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I'm in high school, and I'm sure there's plenty of girls who, uh, get around. It's still rather stupid at this age, really. All those idiots aside, I think I know only two people who are "truly bi" and not just claiming to be because "it sounds cool" or whatever.
And I wouldn't define being any way as having sex with whatever gender (not by itself, anyhow). It's just what appeals to you, I guess.
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When I saw this page of the comic, my initial thought was "wtf?". Not a shocked "WTF?", but the head cocking befuddlement kind.
When I saw this page of the forum, my initial thought was *facepalm*.
First: Drawing conclusions with a dearth of evidence is laughably myopic. We know what's happening, but we don't know why or how. I can think of a half dozen or so reasons off the top of my head that would explain this without requiring character breaking.
Second: It saddens me that people are getting all in a huff over how a lesbian might not actually be a lesbian. In real life it is quite common for non-heterosexuals to "be in the closet" and identify as heterosexual, no matter where on the Kinsey scale they fall. There's no reason to do some author bashing because you think that they might have a bisexual identifying themselves as a lesbian. I would have to say it's actually fairly offensive to take such a stance, as double standards are one of the worst problems faced by gender and sexuality issues.
That said, I'm just going to list a few possible explanations which are not mutually exclusive:
1: The bath is enchanted or tainted.
2: Bern wants to change as much to make Maytag happy as Maytag wants to change to make Bern happy.
3: Bern is not strictly a lesbian, but represses heterosexual thoughts and desires.
4: This is not a depiction of physical events.
5: One of the compatriots of Moss is interfering with the situation
6: Glyph is not male.
Some of these are more likely than others, some of them are more socially acceptable than others. 1, 4, 5, and 6 have all been discussed here, and 3 has been touched on, so I'd like to go into a bit more detail on 2 and 3.
3: We don't know much about Bern's past, and she's not one to talk about her feelings and beliefs. It's not unreasonable for her stated sexuality to not match her actual sexuality. She's almost certainly primarily homosexual, but we don't know beyond that.
She might have some past trauma that made her repress heterosexual urges. If that's the case, then the most likely cause would have been growing up in a brothel and gaining her understanding of male+female relationships from the workers and customers. Then there's the possibility of a failed romance or a betrayal.
There are countless possible causes, but if it turns out to be a cliche like rape then I'm going to have to pull out a sock full of dimes and beat the plot back into shape via retcon-by-force.
2: Bern was willing to give up her lifelong dream so that she could honestly and openly in an honest relationship with Maytag instead of treating it like a shameful secret. Maytag was willing to give up her sexual ideals for Bern's comfort. It's not unreasonable for Bern would be willing to push herself to do things that are outside her nature in order to meet Maytag halfway. It wouldn't be the first time that somebody was willing to put their own sexuality aside for the sake of their partner, after all.
If number 3 has some merit, then this would be more her overcoming her issues than trying to change how she feels.
@Razzly. In the United States, people seem to think that bisexuals don't exsit. If you're into chicks and you shag a dude, all your previous sexual experiance are rendered meaningless. This flies in the face of actaully imperiacal knowedge that says that someone may identify as homosexual or heterosexaul and have occasional lovers of thier nonprefered gender or identify as bisexual but only ever have sex with one gender for whatever reason. I blame the media.
see "no bisexuals" @ www.tvtropes.org
Here's the link to that: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NoBisexuals
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Well yeah. That's the age where folks are figuring stuff out. Plus being "bisexual" may be yet another way to rebel from their parents/distiguish them from thier peers.
Protip though: what you see on American TV in no way reflects the vast human experiance of actual sexuality. Just about everyone has some experments/experiances with their nonpreferd gender (Even if If all they'll admit to is "I once touched another kids balls in Hebrew Shcool" ::) or "They where really drunk" ::) ).
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You could take notice of Glyph's face. I mean, I'm sure he thinks hes one bad ass sex machine, but his expression is very stoic. This could very well be an illusion. I'm almost wondering if this is going to be like the scene in Vampire Hunter D with all the illusions, everyone sees something different. It would definately be smart to assume there is some sort of Magick involved. There's definately something odd about this hotel...
In any case, I know Brion's got some sort of scheme planned out. >D
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And We don't even know that Glyph really has a penis.
Or testicals.
I mean it'd have to be really tiny to be completly obscured by his thigh like that.
And if he has a micropenis, that's almost the same as shagging a girl, AMIRIGHT! ;)
Maybe he's hard already and it's just following his leg. For all you know it goes all the way to his knee.
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it's kind of interesting that, when deplorable acts of violence and cannabalism are committed in Flipside, it doesn't incite nearly as much as an outrage as something sexual in nature.
also eocene, hello from SA. ;)
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@CDSM:
Yeah but his balls would hang down. Like, mine always flop around whenever I'm naked. I have pretty big balls though. My boyfriend balls are smaller then mine, but they hang down at all times anyway. It could be a Peekaboo trope, but i perfer to think that glyph is a really a woman.
:P
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PeekaBoo
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Oh Glyph, I have to say you pass really well. XD
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@CDSM:
Yeah but his balls would hang down. Like, mine always flop around whenever I'm naked. I have pretty big balls though. My boyfriend balls are smaller then mine, but they hang down at all times anyway. It could be a Peekaboo trope, but i perfer to think that glyph is a really a woman.
:P
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PeekaBoo
Maybe he's cold.
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Hm...who knows. Though it didn't really seem like Bern was looking down below.
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@CDSM:
Yeah but his balls would hang down. Like, mine always flop around whenever I'm naked. I have pretty big balls though. My boyfriend balls are smaller then mine, but they hang down at all times anyway. It could be a Peekaboo trope, but i perfer to think that glyph is a really a woman.
:P
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PeekaBoo
Maybe he's cold.
Or Maybe he is just a really tall elven year old. :P
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Testicals#Pubertal
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it's kind of interesting that, when deplorable acts of violence and cannabalism are committed in Flipside, it doesn't incite nearly as much as an outrage as something sexual in nature.
also eocene, hello from SA. ;)
Kind of like real life, huh?
Or Maybe he is just a really tall elven year old. :P
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Testicals#Pubertal
That explains a lot, actually.
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Toche.
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it's kind of interesting that, when deplorable acts of violence and cannabalism are committed in Flipside, it doesn't incite nearly as much as an outrage as something sexual in nature.
WHAT? Weren't you here when THIS PAGE (http://www.flipsidecomics.com/comic.php?i=516) of Bloody Mary eating a child's leg came in?
The forum erupted with new posters and current ones all shouting their horror at that page.
Then he turned around and gave her a measure of redemption and it erupted again for some time on the debate about if she should be cured (if possible) or killed outright, etc.
But still, I think you're right. Overall, there's been much more debate about Maytag's frivolity, cheating and liberal views. I'd imagine the place burst out over her mention of a boyfriend to Crest as well as the discovery that the person she was cheating on was Bern, then Bern's hidden role as a closet lesbian, wishing to join the knights and going on to Bern's shock at finding Maytag posing for nude art. Even earlier we had Noventia as the crazy jealous ex-wife who turned out to be correct about her husband cheating on her with cold indifference and Maytag's stolen kiss with Regina.
Look on the bright side. None of them are Mary-Sues or Marty-Stus ...Maybe Kin was *shrug*
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yes, i was there. i guess i don't remember it being nearly the lashout that this particular story arc has received, though.
Kind of like real life, huh?
that's correct.
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Really looking forward to the next couple pages. Love all the blushing and sultry looks :D
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I have to admit that what I read was pretty out of character, but can't it just be that Bern is just doing it to understand May a little better or just to let her inhibitions go something what has been built up for a while now?
Though I have to say I'd expect it to be Suspiria rather than Glyph...
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Does Brion have a time of night/day that he generally updates at? 'Cause I'm wavering between staying up for the update, or going to sleep. @_@
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Oh, go to sleep. He doesn't update right at midnight or anything like that. :P
On second thought, you could stay up and chat with us folk. Sleep is for the weak!
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That said, I'm just going to list a few possible explanations which are not mutually exclusive:
1: The bath is enchanted or tainted.
2: Bern wants to change as much to make Maytag happy as Maytag wants to change to make Bern happy.
3: Bern is not strictly a lesbian, but represses heterosexual thoughts and desires.
4: This is not a depiction of physical events.
5: One of the compatriots of Moss is interfering with the situation
6: Glyph is not male.
Some of these are more likely than others, some of them are more socially acceptable than others. 1, 4, 5, and 6 have all been discussed here, and 3 has been touched on, so I'd like to go into a bit more detail on 2 and 3.
3: We don't know much about Bern's past, and she's not one to talk about her feelings and beliefs. It's not unreasonable for her stated sexuality to not match her actual sexuality. She's almost certainly primarily homosexual, but we don't know beyond that.
She might have some past trauma that made her repress heterosexual urges. If that's the case, then the most likely cause would have been growing up in a brothel and gaining her understanding of male+female relationships from the workers and customers. Then there's the possibility of a failed romance or a betrayal.
There are countless possible causes, but if it turns out to be a cliche like rape then I'm going to have to pull out a sock full of dimes and beat the plot back into shape via retcon-by-force.
2: Bern was willing to give up her lifelong dream so that she could honestly and openly in an honest relationship with Maytag instead of treating it like a shameful secret. Maytag was willing to give up her sexual ideals for Bern's comfort. It's not unreasonable for Bern would be willing to push herself to do things that are outside her nature in order to meet Maytag halfway. It wouldn't be the first time that somebody was willing to put their own sexuality aside for the sake of their partner, after all.
If number 3 has some merit, then this would be more her overcoming her issues than trying to change how she feels.
I couldn't have said it any better myself.
Human beings are far more complicated than most of you are depicting them here. Heck, most people don't really understand themselves many times. What we're reading is not out of character at all (if it becomes well explained, of course). So far, Brion has done a good job, I don't have any reason to doubt him now.
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I personally think it's probably just Glyph's imagination getting the better of him, while he is spying on them, maybe invisible in the room? Too broad of a leap for Bern to change that much, willing to change or not, without some magical aid. So the tainted/enchanted bath could work as well.
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Hate to point this out but the owner never said if the beakfast was going to be continental style or a cooked breakfast *whistle*
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@ Razzly: I should have said: "Having sex with a man, when you're an established lesbian doesn't make you straight/bi/pan"
*nods to Razzly* I think my gay and lesbian friends would strongly disagree with you there (particularly my more feminist lesbian friends). The battle cry for gay people has always been that sexuality is not a simply choice or a casual 'preference' subject to change whenever.
People with with more fluid sexuality like Maytag do not identify themselves as 'lesbian', because they aren't. Lesbian's do NOT flippantly or randomly sleep around with men. Sleeping with men would mean that the girl is either bisexual or pansexual.
So yes, lesbian? In the words of Mel from Queer as Folk: "Not if you're f*cking men you're not!"
(That's not to say that sometimes something might happen with a member of the opposite gender... be it a drunken thing or a gay person happening to fall for someone of the opposite gender. Sometimes it does happen.)
I'm pretty sure a lot of people would disagree with my view of sexual orientation, but I get the feeling you think I'm saying that on some level everyone is bi/pan.
That's not the case, and I strongly disagree that if a lesbian has a sexual encounter with a guy it makes her bi/pan.
Quoting myself: "At the end of the night if you still prefer you're own gender you're still a homosexual (vice-versa), having a sexual encounter shouldn't change that. Unless afterward you like, decide or realize you don't care for or have a particular preference.
But this is completely off topic. I don't think Bern's sexuality is the issue as much as the out of character-ness of the situation (which I'm sure will have a reasonable answer!). I think it would be almost as out of character for Bern had a random woman snuck into the bath given her shy and possesive personality!
Quite simply, Bern would not be so easily turned on by a naked man, particularly one whom she had only moments ago raged at for being a pervert invading her privacy. She was horrified at the idea of him seeing her naked in the carriage, so it would be a complete contradiction for her to enjoy it in the bath! That's why there must be something funny afoot.
What I find interesting (and more so the point of my previous post), is that one of the issue's around Bern's out of character-ness seems to be that she's lesbian and there's no way in hell she'd ever do this kind of thing with a man. My point is that it shouldn't be considered O.O.C. for a homo/hetro character to engage in a sexual act that conflicts their orientation. Perhaps unusual and not likely, but it isn't something the character is incapable of.
On the other hand it is quite clear that Bern has much contempt for Glyph, and she took quite a few cautious measures to ensure he wouldn't know that they were in there. This is the sole reason I believe that there is almost no chance this is a real passionate fling moment thing, and some means of sorcery or an enchantment on the bath itself is the cause for the unusual behavior on Bern's part.
But eh, for now it's still speculation and opinion...makes me that much more impatient for the explanation.
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@ Razzly: I should have said: "Having sex with a man, when you're an established lesbian doesn't make you straight/bi/pan"
Uh, yes it does?
A "lesbian", if you didn't know it, is a woman who likes other women. This means, lesbians do not have sex with men. This also means, that if you're a woman who has sex with men, you're either straight, bi, or pan. NOT lesbian.
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@ Razzly: I should have said: "Having sex with a man, when you're an established lesbian doesn't make you straight/bi/pan"
Uh, yes it does?
A "lesbian", if you didn't know it, is a woman who likes other women. This means, lesbians do not have sex with men. This also means, that if you're a woman who has sex with men, you're either straight, bi, or pan. NOT lesbian.
That sorta brings me back to the fact I believe no one is 100% homo/hetero.
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Uhm guys in prison have sex with other men right but they don't consider themselves homosexual Sex doesn't always have to mean that your attracted to someone. Heck homosexuality means that your attracted to the same sex as yourself. I still say she's doing it because of Maytag and not because she's attracted to Glyph...
That sorta brings me back to the fact I believe no one is 100% homo/hetero.
Which is also what I believe my views of Choice versus Genetics aside...
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A "lesbian", if you didn't know it, is a woman who likes other women. This means, lesbians do not have sex with men. This also means, that if you're a woman who has sex with men, you're either straight, bi, or pan. NOT lesbian.
It is possible that a lesbian has sex with a man because that "they can't say, I've never tried" or similar reasons. Don't tell me, there is never a single lesbian, that has this way of thinking.
So I have to agree with Trombonefellow on this. Sleeping with a man a few times doesn't make a lesbian anything.
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Pardon for a second while I jump to a different topic here. Did anyone else notice that the hand Maytag was caressing Bern with was her left hand...wouldn't that be problematic currently as I am fairly sure she doesn't have one.
Also, as to the lesbian ever sleeping with guys or not thing, it's not impossible for someone to be caught up in the heat of the moment and do something they never would have normally. I've seen it happen. They regreted it in the morning quite a bit though
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Yep. Definately a spell or fantasy.
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Pardon for a second while I jump to a different topic here. Did anyone else notice that the hand Maytag was caressing Bern with was her left hand...wouldn't that be problematic currently as I am fairly sure she doesn't have one.
That's just a mistake. Brion did it once before, too.
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A direct reference to that mistake? :P
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I smell a spell.
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1.So we have a magic pool which shows hidden desires,meaning this would be May dream to have a threesome with Glyph(cause it seems she likes him) and Bern,so I wonder how Bern desire would look too.
2.Or we have Glyph who casted some spells on himself so he could first sneak into the bath unnoticed and then rape binded/charmed Bern and May.
So next page should clear this doubt which is true.
At least I'm happy that author didn't turn Bern character upside down,cause she's the only character in this comic with who I could relate in terms of morals and values she lives.
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So, Maytag makes her Will save?
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uh ...
anyone else having a problem following this? Like, why Maytag decided to smack herself in the face, then growl?
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uh ...
anyone else having a problem following this? Like, why Maytag decided to smack herself in the face, then growl?
I'd guess, if it really was a spell which it rather seems to be now, she was "waking" herself up from it.
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no spell..she was sleeping and and having a dream folks or rather day dreaming.
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Yeah that's what I got out've it. Snapping herself out've a day-dream. Can't say I've ever slapped myself when doing that, definitely attracts attention.
peace,
CR
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Anyone else suspect that it might still be real? I kind of got the feeling that Maytag could be feeling jealousy. However that assumes Bern is actually making out with Glyph, which doesn't make much sense to me.
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Anyone else suspect that it might still be real? I kind of got the feeling that Maytag could be feeling jealousy. However that assumes Bern is actually making out with Glyph, which doesn't make much sense to me.
No idea, I'm just as lost as everyone else. Top guess is daydream, but the perspective seems wrong (everything from Glyph's point of view before).
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That sorta brings me back to the fact I believe no one is 100% homo/hetero.
That's your personal opinion. That does not change the fact that the word "Lesbian" means a woman who only likes other women.
Uhm guys in prison have sex with other men right but they don't consider themselves homosexual Sex doesn't always have to mean that your attracted to someone. Heck homosexuality means that your attracted to the same sex as yourself. I still say she's doing it because of Maytag and not because she's attracted to Glyph...
What do men in prison have to do with anything? Men in prison fuck other men because there are no women available, and besides, in those cases it's more ablut dominance and making someone your bitch than it is about horniness. Your example sucks.
And, uh, if you're going to have consensual sex, which is not about dominance but about horniness, yes, you do need to be at least somewhat attracted to the gender in question. Lesbians do NOT go around fucking men because "they wanna try it" and "don't want to judge before they try it."
Should I go fuck a sheep just because I haven't tried it yet?
Anyway, new page... Yes, definietly a spell. And May's trying to snap out of it. <3 Awesome.
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Anyone else suspect that it might still be real? I kind of got the feeling that Maytag could be feeling jealousy. However that assumes Bern is actually making out with Glyph, which doesn't make much sense to me.
Yeah, I suspect it's still real - I think Maytag is pulling herself out of the threesome, at odds with herself - on one hand excited at the openness that Bern is showing on the other feeling intense jealousy. May has also got to feel like something isn't quite right here and is trying to snap out of it.
The new page really doesn't reveal much more than we've all been speculating on already (nice to have to wait over the weekend now)...
I still think Moss is somehow involved - it would certainly be convenient if this is a pool that shows weakness. I still think it would be great if there were a potion of possession involved somewhere ;)
I also wondered briefly if Bern didn't set the whole thing up in order to mess with Maytag and get her to understand her point of view better. She would have had to have set it up with glyph in the carriage after the nagel ring.
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That's your personal opinion. That does not change the fact that the word "Lesbian" means a woman who only likes other women.
I guess that must be your opinion then, only liking the same sex means you'll never be attracted to the opposite sex.
What do men in prison have to do with anything? Men in prison fuck other men because there are no women available, and besides, in those cases it's more ablut dominance and making someone your bitch than it is about horniness. Your example sucks.
I figure it's an example based off of being a homosexual period, the prison example could refer to women as well if that's what you want.
Anyway prison rape isn't always about an act of dominance, there are much more effective means of that.
I feel the example is a fine one of my point, having sex which conflicts your orientation, doesn't make you bi, assuming you still prefer the sex you did beforehand.
And, uh, if you're going to have consensual sex, which is not about dominance but about horniness, yes, you do need to be at least somewhat attracted to the gender in question. Lesbians do NOT go around fucking men because "they wanna try it" and "don't want to judge before they try it."
Chances are that the average lesbian probably won't fuck a man.
Given the rare occurrence that she does or decides she want's to try, it doesn't make her any less lesbian if in the end she still prefers women over men.
It may be unusual for one to conflict their orientation, but isn't something that's 100% impossibles.
Should I go fuck a sheep just because I haven't tried it yet?
If you're serious, I could post you some links :P
Seriously though, that sounds more like a fetish than an actual orientation.
Anyway after observing today's page I must say I'm a little sad it wasn't real. :(
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Actually, Trombonefellow... The number one reason for rape is the will to dominate. Look it up, it's a fact.
And I'm beginning to realize that arguing with you is a complete waste of my time, because you don't understand what I'm saying and I think you're completely and utterly wrong and confused about your terms. ;) Nothing personal mate, I'm just going to drop this and agree to disagree.
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Personally I think there's a spell involved and Maytag just snapped herself out of it more than she just snapped herself out of a dream. She's probably very accustomed to aphrodisiacs (heck she carries some with her) and thus is better able to resist their affects (plus we've seen her resist a fear demon).
Not certain if Glyph is responsible or another innocent victim of the room.
One thing I noticed is that we didn't see his left eye which had that other magick ability to see through clothes, and bern seemed to soften as she looked at him but we didn't see his eyes inthat panel. Maytag was obscured from seeing his eye and is now keeping her eyes closed after slapping herself out of it, rather than looking at him.
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Remember all those other times Bern was in trouble? Like when that guy used her as a meat shield? She knows Bern and she knows the real Bern wouldn't want Glyph to touch her. Of course she'll save her woman!
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At this point, all I can think about is how Bern will feel after all this. She'll just bottle up everything. It's upsetting.
For once I am glad that May appears to be saving the day -- I only hope nothing is going on underwater..
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That sorta brings me back to the fact I believe no one is 100% homo/hetero.
I'm 100% hetero.
That's your personal opinion. That does not change the fact that the word "Lesbian" means a woman who only likes other women.
Well, Razz, keep in mind a lot of these words are "identity" as much as simply what you do. I knew a guy that said while he had had sex with women in the past, and was still attracted to them, he identified as gay and was only interested in having relationships with men. Not saying you're wrong or anything, but semantically speaking, it's not necessarily that strict.
addition: I like the name of our newest forum member. :P
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so wait who slapped who... ???
oh and I think crest would look cute with fox or wolves ears ;) ;D
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yup. maytag is forceibly removing herself from the spank bank.
Hrm, we will of course have to wait about 2 weeks of updates before
we have any idea what is going on... :(
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Personally I think there's a spell involved and Maytag just snapped herself out of it more than she just snapped herself out of a dream. She's probably very accustomed to aphrodisiacs (heck she carries some with her) and thus is better able to resist their affects (plus we've seen her resist a fear demon).
Not certain if Glyph is responsible or another innocent victim of the room.
One thing I noticed is that we didn't see his left eye which had that other magick ability to see through clothes, and bern seemed to soften as she looked at him but we didn't see his eyes inthat panel. Maytag was obscured from seeing his eye and is now keeping her eyes closed after slapping herself out of it, rather than looking at him.
Hmm, I didn't think of that. I was more confused by all those floating question marks, haha. I think you may be on to something here, though!
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Actually, Trombonefellow... The number one reason for rape is the will to dominate. Look it up, it's a fact.
And I'm beginning to realize that arguing with you is a complete waste of my time, because you don't understand what I'm saying and I think you're completely and utterly wrong and confused about your terms. ;) Nothing personal mate, I'm just going to drop this and agree to disagree.
Aww come on, I was havin fun... :(
Really though, if that's how you feel it's cool with me.
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Anyway after observing today's page I must say I'm a little sad it wasn't real.
I am most emphatically not. Thank you, Brion. I may not be lauding your balls, but I laud your mercy.
Razzly, I'm curious: Do you think someone is bi if they have sex with the opposite sex in an effort to stay in the closet? Conversely: do you think someone is bi if they have a single gay experience in college just to test and then decide they didn't enjoy it?
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um... yeah. as it turns out, you're both right. :-\
All these terms we come up with Homosexual, Bisexual, Heterosexual, Transexual, Pansexual, adnasuim; are just terms that people use to identify others and themselves.
They didn't exsist before 1869. People where most asuredly having sex waaaay before that. They are a product of Victorian sexual mores and are far from perfect or even realistic.
When some one comes out as a lesbian for whatever reason (presumibly becuase they're into chicks to a significant degree), they choose to identify themselves with that lable and the cultural baggage that comes along with it (for example: "lesbians never ever have sex with men"), often becuase they want to be identified with a specific social group and becuase they have desires they can not be happy and repress anymore. The various cultural assumptions that go along with the term "lesbian" may or may not apply to them to verying degrees, depending on the indevidual.
This is becuase the lables we have are not accurate nore are they truly representitive of human experiance. They come from mankind's desire to seperate everything into neat groups, and to a lesser extent, to form groups of like-minded indeviduals.
Razzly says someone who likes to have sex with men can never be a lesbian, my freind over here is married to a gay man for 10 years and continues to identify as a lesbian.
How can they both be right?
Aren't both these things mutually exclusive? No they aren't. Becuase each person's definition of what a lesbian is is different.
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Well, Razz, keep in mind a lot of these words are "identity" as much as simply what you do. I knew a guy that said while he had had sex with women in the past, and was still attracted to them, he identified as gay and was only interested in having relationships with men. Not saying you're wrong or anything, but semantically speaking, it's not necessarily that strict.
Exactly. In most cases attempting a definition of these words is pointless because there is a spectrum and choosing one of these words to identify oneself will not be the same as someone else choosing the same word to identify his/herself. At best these words are broad strokes and do not paint an accurate picture.
Not sure how rape got into the discussion, but I can say having known someone who did such that it is all about power over someone else (in the case of this individual, it was absolutely an acting out of loss of control and living a dual life), and has about as much to do with orientation as whether you brush your teeth in the morning or not.
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All these terms we come up with Homosexual, Bisexual, Heterosexual, Transexual, Pansexual, adnasuim; are just terms that people use to identify others and themselves.
exactly what I was trying to say, but it seems you beat me to the punch... :)
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Aww come on, I was havin fun... :(
Really though, if that's how you feel it's cool with me.
I wasn't.
Razzly, I'm curious: Do you think someone is bi if they have sex with the opposite sex in an effort to stay in the closet? Conversely: do you think someone is bi if they have a single gay experience in college just to test and then decide they didn't enjoy it?
No, that is different, because similarly to the whole prison-rape thing, there is no real attraction involved. The person is just trying to stay in the closet, like you said.
As for the second example: No, that is what we call "hormones" and "Bi-curiousity."
Razzly says someone who likes to have sex with men can never be a lesbian, my freind over here is married to a gay man for 10 years and continues to identify as a lesbian.
How can they both be right?
Aren't both these things mutually exclusive? No they aren't. Becuase each person's definition of what a lesbian is is different.
I smell conspiracy!
No, quite seriously, either those two are slightly confused about how to identify themselves... Or then they've gotten married just to make their life easier. I've considered marrying my gay friend just to get all the good stuff, but still be able to date around. (Same for him, of course.)
And I'm still going to claim that my definition is correct. Don't challenge the goddess of cuteness, or I shall attack you with a horde of baby bunnies, gawdammit!
That's what I think.
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NOOOOOOOO NOT THE BABY BUNNIES!
(http://www.mybunnies.com/images/babies_day3.jpg)
Beware the Goddess' wrath. She will have you tied around her little finger and melting on the spot to that which is cute and beyond!
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what the killer bunnies of antioch? :o :o Dont do it Razzly!!
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Remove the organs from the baby bunnies and replace them with motion sensitive explosives. When someone goes to cuddle them they blow their head off... That's actually a good idea, anyone know where I can get baby bunnies and some highly unstable explosives?
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I smell conspiracy!
No, quite seriously, either those two are slightly confused about how to identify themselves... Or then they've gotten married just to make their life easier. I've considered marrying my gay friend just to get all the good stuff, but still be able to date around. (Same for him, of course.)
And I'm still going to claim that my definition is correct. Don't challenge the goddess of cuteness, or I shall attack you with a horde of baby bunnies, gawdammit!
That's what I think.
A--HA! But *I* am god of ambiguity, and there is nothing more ambiguous than human communication!
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Wolfgang, Nitroglycerin can be made with ingredients found in your local super market... and that's about as unstable as you can get an explosive!
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got any fertilizer at home *whistle*
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But isn't ANFO a relatively stable explosive?
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But isn't ANFO a relatively stable explosive?
Well, relative to Nitro, yeah. Relative to C4, shit no.
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Well, as C4 is a military grade explosive, it's bound to be more stable than something that can be mixed at home with readily accessible compounds. However, doesn't ANFO also need some kind of detonator to ignite explosively?
Also, ANFO has a slower burn than C4 and most other military explosives due to the nature of the desired effects.
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Aww come on, I was havin fun... :(
Really though, if that's how you feel it's cool with me.
I wasn't.
Razzly, I'm curious: Do you think someone is bi if they have sex with the opposite sex in an effort to stay in the closet? Conversely: do you think someone is bi if they have a single gay experience in college just to test and then decide they didn't enjoy it?
No, that is different, because similarly to the whole prison-rape thing, there is no real attraction involved. The person is just trying to stay in the closet, like you said.
As for the second example: No, that is what we call "hormones" and "Bi-curiousity."
Razzly says someone who likes to have sex with men can never be a lesbian, my freind over here is married to a gay man for 10 years and continues to identify as a lesbian.
How can they both be right?
Aren't both these things mutually exclusive? No they aren't. Becuase each person's definition of what a lesbian is is different.
I smell conspiracy!
No, quite seriously, either those two are slightly confused about how to identify themselves... Or then they've gotten married just to make their life easier. I've considered marrying my gay friend just to get all the good stuff, but still be able to date around. (Same for him, of course.)
And I'm still going to claim that my definition is correct. Don't challenge the goddess of cuteness, or I shall attack you with a horde of baby bunnies, gawdammit!
That's what I think.
And I'm the god of taboo. If I don't say offensive things, I just wouldn't be me, now would I? ;)
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However, doesn't ANFO also need some kind of detonator to ignite explosively?
Also, ANFO has a slower burn than C4 and most other military explosives due to the nature of the desired effects.
Yep. I have mixed and used ANFO in a mining operation. Fun stuff for sure, but to get the desired effect, we packed home made ANFO around a bit of commercial explosive and used a commercial detonator and fuse. Yes, it's very stable (somewhere I have stupid pictures of us holding the packed and ready to light stuff in our mouths). Also, slower burning is a matter of relativity - ANFO can still kick some big rocks quite high in the air.
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I must say that i find it rather amusing that the topic jumped from the comic, to sexual labeling, to bunnies, and the discussion of explosives..
Regardless, I'll put in my half cent.
I've not the slightest inkling as to what is going on in the comic, whether it be real or magical or even a dream of sorts. I'll say that I identify with those whom were rather upset with the page where Bern kissed Glyph...but I'm -hoping- that Brion is just testing some of us, hoping to get a rise of some sorts. I've always had a weakspot for female knights and I like this comic enough to not be discouraged so easily. I'll wait a bit longer to make any sort of assessment. So please keep updating, Brion. :D
Back to the discussion of sexual terms..
I could be described as 100% homo/hetero with loose definitions of the two.
With the case if the lesbian married to a gay man...Who's to say one of them isn't a trans? Certainly a possibility, though I'm sure only the poster could really turn down my theory. If not, I'm sure LGBTs might marry someone of the opposite gender to acquire marriage rights in states that oppose/out law same sex unions and/or marriage. My male friend and I joke about him being my wife all the time so I wouldn't think it unheard of.
Explosives....I'd much rather play with flames. >D
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I must say that i find it rather amusing that the topic jumped from the comic, to sexual labeling, to bunnies, and the discussion of explosives..
Yeah, welcome to the Flipside forums *lol*
I can see Maytag has 2 dispellants in her kit, which might help her and Bern from falling under the same magickal spell.
(http://www.flipsidecomics.com/comic/com-flipint-05-06.gif)
If we presume that Glyph is responsible for this and it's something he's projecting from his left eye then my guess is that Maytag is about to follow through with half of Bern's promise and cut his left eye out with a dagger. She was probably about to kill him, growling there after she slapped herself out of it, but she's calmed herself down with a deep breath.
Page 27 prediction: Maytag takes the dispellant and sidles up to Glyph in a sexy manner before a dagger appears in her right hand.
Page 28 prediction: Bloody and Gory splash page of Maytag stabbing Glyph in the eye.
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I must say that i find it rather amusing that the topic jumped from the comic, to sexual labeling, to bunnies, and the discussion of explosives..
That's how we roll, son! [Throws up flipside gangsign!/] 8)
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I must say that i find it rather amusing that the topic jumped from the comic, to sexual labeling, to bunnies, and the discussion of explosives..
That's how we roll, son! [Throws up flipside gangsign!/] 8)
[Follows Suit!] 8)
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I forgot to add that even *MAYTAG* should react with extreme anger. Because she knows that Bern would NOT like it; in other words, she knows it's an attack against Bern. And we all know how she reacts to threats to Bern.
Kind, friendly, polite "I told you so" 8) to the horny, fantasizing 13-old boy that lurks (outgrown but fondly remembered) inside the mind of every male and that got so many fellow forum members into trying SO hard to delude themselves about Bern being in that situation voluntarily. ;)
We can return to our normal ages now... :-*
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Personally I think there's a spell involved and Maytag just snapped herself out of it more than she just snapped herself out of a dream. She's probably very accustomed to aphrodisiacs (heck she carries some with her) and thus is better able to resist their affects (plus we've seen her resist a fear demon).
Not certain if Glyph is responsible or another innocent victim of the room.
Probably she even resists using the same method of not resisting the efect but riding it. It works for fear and for pain, why not for sexual excitation? Actually, that would be an already well established character trait, so nothing strange here.
Re, Glyph, he BETTER be another victim, or he WILL become one. As I said, there is NO way Bern would let him alive otherwise. So either he IS a victim or Brion has decided to get rid of him...
(Wild-Ass Prediction: he will be a double victim. Bern will GBD him before learning the truth, and she'll have to cope with the guilt).
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Well, Razz, keep in mind a lot of these words are "identity" as much as simply what you do. I knew a guy that said while he had had sex with women in the past, and was still attracted to them, he identified as gay and was only interested in having relationships with men. Not saying you're wrong or anything, but semantically speaking, it's not necessarily that strict.
I think that is the key - terminology vs. identity. Someone may not be acting according to the term that they have adopted as their identity, for a variety of reasons.
One of my best friends dated a guy for eight months. She liked his attention, they had common 'interests', and they had good sex (I heard more than I wanted to know :-[ ). But she never was, or considered herself at the least, bi. For a portion she simply avoided a label, but most of the time she still considered herself lesbian. Probably the key dividing point - she wasn't in love.
addition: I like the name of our newest forum member. :P
Okay, that's not fair! Do you mean me, or Wolfgang, or SerenRaye (not Calystria? :) ), Everman, Demonica, greyreader, or LoneStarF1? :'(
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I'm still not sure what to make of Glyph's innocense. There doesn't appear to be a spell emanating from him. It looks like there's just a general aphrodisiac in the room. Although that doesn't explain how Glyph got in the room in the first place. He is surprised in that 3rd panel but that might be simply because Bern was ripped away from him more than the fact Maytag has broken the spell. He appears quite calm in the 5th panel as he watches Bern slip away from him so I'd expect more panic if it's because Maytag is resisting.
Looks like Maytag's plan is pretty much to keep Bern's heightened sexual desire focused on her. Not sure what she's going to do if Glyph remains persistent under the same spell, but I'm half guessing she might turn it around and simply make sure she's the middle of the sandwich if Glyph is innocent and she knows she can't resist the spell for much longer. Beyond that, a couple of simple dispellants is probably a good solution.
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Maytag's face in the first panel scares me.
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it's the "Scary-I'm-not-a-Fighter-and-therefore-didn't-fail-my-will-save-and-now-that-I-realized-the-fact-someone-will-be-in-deep-shit-when-I-find-out-who's-responsible-face."
Seen in the all the best web comics whenever nessisary.
That is to say, only in Flipside, and only right now. ;)
That said, I pity the fool that fucks with Maytag's girlfriend. :o
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It's rather clear that Glyph is not a victim,he was the only one who wasn't blushing from the start,he'd gone for the taken.
If that pool was enchanted that would also affect Glyph,and it seems he is himself all the time,so it means he just got earlier into that bath room and casted few spells on himself or he put some kind of aphrodisiac into water which would not affect him,and then he waited for fishes to caught up,cause it really looks like Glyph is keeping his cool head all the time.Since he is perverted type of mage so I wouldn't be surprised if he had some specially designed spells/drugs for this kind of "job" like getting laid easier.
That face in first panel show us that May is really pissed/annoyed/tired by these pranks finnaly.
I still wonder what May really wants to do,knowing Bern weak head she won't remember a thing she've done before time she would snap out from this spell,so maybe the best solution not to disgrace her further would be if May would take whole attention of charmed Bern to herself now and finish things up,while telling Glyph to disappear from that room,so she could deal with him herself later not bringing Bern into it.
The thing which annoys me the most is Bern total weakness,it's 3rd time in a row when she was violated by magic so easily.
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The thing which annoys me the most is Bern total weakness,it's 3rd time in a row when she was violated by magic so easily.
Oh yes.
No wonder the poor woman doesn't like magic.
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Okay, that's not fair! Do you mean me, or Wolfgang, or SerenRaye (not Calystria? :) ), Everman, Demonica, greyreader, or LoneStarF1? :'(
It was you, actually. "Sapphite" isn't a term you hear too often, and it's kinda relevant to the comic. ;)
Anyways, I think Glyph is going to try to get out there quicker than...something really quick.
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nah reckon he will take his chances he has come this far ;) ....even though his death will be slow and painfull at the hands of Bern when she comes round.
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Well, at least it might be quicker than it had been if I'd been in crest's place and found out about it later... in that case, he'd probably be ready to beg bloody mary to be her dinner...
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Call me loony, but isn't it obvious that May's terrible face is because this is what she always wanted - a liberated Bern - and now she's going to have to destroy it because it isn't real?
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Call me loony, but isn't it obvious that May's terrible face is because this is what she always wanted - a liberated Bern - and now she's going to have to destroy it because it isn't real?
I rather think it may take quite opposite effect,she always wanted to try threesome with Bern and it seems in this one she was rather somekind jealous at some point that Bern was showing attention to someone else than her,and I think that was a moment which helped her to think of this is a spell.
I suppose seeing jealous May would be a good sign,but it would rather greatly contradict with her nature.
Beside this is something else than May wanted,she would want a threesome(with girl or a guy) with free willing Bern not something like this.
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As much as I'd like to agree, I just don't think it's possible for Maytag to be jealous. The only way I can even think of for that to happen would be if Bern was leaving May for someone else. Even then I think it would be more longing and depression than sadness.
Also: spell or no spell, seeing Bern continue lusting after that asshole even after a "snap out of it" and hair pulling has me irked. Now I dislike Glyph even more. Even if it isn't his fault.
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I definitely think Glyph is to blame. He was shocked when May regained control, and he doesn't have the same red face as Bern and May before she snapped out of it.
My guess is that May is going to snap Bern out of it through a dispellant flavored kiss. Delicious!
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I honestly think May wanting Bern to be a bit more open-minded isn't quite the same as wanting Bern to jump aboard the kinky train. Actually, I don't think she wants Bern to change all that much... otherwise she just wouldn't be, well, Bern any more. Frankly, I get the feeling that May wants to keep Bern mostly 'pure', as she's kind of an ideal for her -- she wants to be *worthy* of Bern, and has said so before. She'd rather climb up than drag Bern down, basically. So I think that messing with Bern's 'purity' as it were is one sure way to get May's ire.
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If I where Glyph I'd try to make out with Bern too, can't blame him ;D
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It's rather clear that Glyph is not a victim,he was the only one who wasn't blushing from the start,he'd gone for the taken.
If that pool was enchanted that would also affect Glyph,and it seems he is himself all the time,so it means he just got earlier into that bath room and casted few spells on himself or he put some kind of aphrodisiac into water which would not affect him,and then he waited for fishes to caught up,cause it really looks like Glyph is keeping his cool head all the time.Since he is perverted type of mage so I wouldn't be surprised if he had some specially designed spells/drugs for this kind of "job" like getting laid easier.
That face in first panel show us that May is really pissed/annoyed/tired by these pranks finnaly.
I still wonder what May really wants to do,knowing Bern weak head she won't remember a thing she've done before time she would snap out from this spell,so maybe the best solution not to disgrace her further would be if May would take whole attention of charmed Bern to herself now and finish things up,while telling Glyph to disappear from that room,so she could deal with him herself later not bringing Bern into it.
The thing which annoys me the most is Bern total weakness,it's 3rd time in a row when she was violated by magic so easily.
What part of "Fighters have shitty Will Saves," is so hard to grasp?
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As much as I'd like to agree, I just don't think it's possible for Maytag to be jealous. The only way I can even think of for that to happen would be if Bern was leaving May for someone else. Even then I think it would be more longing and depression than sadness.
I imagine she'd feel somewhat jealous, but it wouldn't make her all bitter. Seeing as how Bern is so special to her. She wouldn't feel jealous over anyone else though.
What part of "Fighters have shitty Will Saves," is so hard to grasp?
You notice how Maytag was under the spell at first, then snapped out of it?
Clearly she has taken the Slippery Mind special ability. :P
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That's right, Maytag. It's all about you. ;)
I'm confused by Glyph. I'm assuming he's surprised that Maytag's resisting, but then calms back down in the 5th panel because his attention diverts back to Bern?
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As much as I'd like to agree, I just don't think it's possible for Maytag to be jealous. The only way I can even think of for that to happen would be if Bern was leaving May for someone else. Even then I think it would be more longing and depression than sadness.
I imagine she'd feel somewhat jealous, but it wouldn't make her all bitter. Seeing as how Bern is so special to her. She wouldn't feel jealous over anyone else though.
What part of "Fighters have shitty Will Saves," is so hard to grasp?
You notice how Maytag was under the spell at first, then snapped out of it?
Clearly she has taken the Slippery Mind special ability. :P
Well, that depends on the way enchantment spells work in this world. They could do that to everyone for a small amount of time, but when someone saves agianst them, the victim snaps out of it and knows they were a victim of a failed enchantment spell?
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Okay well here is my seldom heard voice giving my take on this whole scene. I think Glyph brought them to this place intentionally -- he said they had passed several other places before this one. I think he knew Bern was trying to snow him when she told May to forget about the bath, and he waited until they got in to sneak in with them, because he knows the bath is enchanted. May's look in the first panel is perfectly understandable because after snapping out of it she is PISSED! Yes, she would like for Bern to be more sexually adventurous, but she knows that has to be Bern's choice. And, if I'm right and Glyph knew about this bath the whole time, she knows that what was about to happen was rape, plain and simple. It's no different than slipping a girl a roofie or GHB. May is much more uninhibited than Bern, but something like that would definitely make her angry, and if Glyph is involved I wouldn't be surprised if Bern doesn't have a chance to kill him.
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I honestly think May wanting Bern to be a bit more open-minded isn't quite the same as wanting Bern to jump aboard the kinky train. Actually, I don't think she wants Bern to change all that much... otherwise she just wouldn't be, well, Bern any more. Frankly, I get the feeling that May wants to keep Bern mostly 'pure', as she's kind of an ideal for her -- she wants to be *worthy* of Bern, and has said so before. She'd rather climb up than drag Bern down, basically. So I think that messing with Bern's 'purity' as it were is one sure way to get May's ire.
AdonCa, I can't help but to find your coment quite insightful and refreshing from the horde of "oh, May SUUUUURE wants Bern to do Glyph in frong of her" comments. Unless with "do" you mean "do what the Bern that May loves would do in normal circunstances and beat him into a pulp". Then May would surely be all compassionate with the poor pulp :)
Actually, I think (given that it is the ONLY time we've seen May with a truly *angry* face (as opossed to, say, determined, or unafraid, or other emotions), I can't help but disagree with you; this could be not one way, it is probably the only way of rising May's ire.
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I definitely think Glyph is to blame. He was shocked when May regained control, and he doesn't have the same red face as Bern and May before she snapped out of it.
My guess is that May is going to snap Bern out of it through a dispellant flavored kiss. Delicious!
You know, you could be right in both counts. I was probably wrong in my "double victim" guess... I think you and Brandi have convinced me. Should we get the pitchforks ready for him?
And, Brion, if you weren't intending to do the second point (the dispellant flavored kiss), could you pretty pretty please (with cream on top) change your mind and make it happen that way instead? :-* :-* :-* you gotta recognise a kickass reader's sugestion when you see it, man! ;) (unless you had something even more cute in mind!)
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Maytag's Evil face rocks. So does Bern's aroused face in the 2nd to last panel, it's so adorable.
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And another thought: Bern and May were in the bath talking for a bit before Bern got all frisky, so it would seem that whatever enchantment is on the bath, it takes a little time to work. Glyph, on the other hand, just jumped right in and got started, and as several others have noted he doesn't have the flushed cheeks that the girls did, which are likely an effect of the aphrodisiac (it's actually kinda scientific because arousal does cause increased blood flow throughout the body). Anyway, I just really think he knows something about this place, and I am all for seeing him get seriously bitch slapped if that's true!
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bitch slapped? Hell I bet Mme Guilliotine wouldn't mind a brief chat with his neck... but that's just me ;D
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May knows the water's enchanted, have to be why she lures Bern out seductively before slapping her to snap her out of it. Bern's not fully out of it either, not yet, but really nice views, so love Bern.
I can only imagine the hasty retreat Glyph is making right about now.
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Hmm,faster update than normal...
This page is awesome,bitch slap :D
Didn't expect it.
If May did that she really must be in bad mood.
And quick nude escape with disorientated Bern ;)
I'm now even more curious about next pages.
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I also like May's determined face. No one beats May when it comes to willpower and mental control :P
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Good, May. <3
I just have to say, for the sake of constructive criticism, that May's leg looks -very- odd in the first panel. It looks almost as if her stomach is somehow hanging over her leg, when it should be the flesh of her leg covering her belly. ...Do I make any sense?
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ANNNNnnnd they're gonna burst out of the room and run right into Crest creating a dog pile of nudity and a extremely flustered Crest??
It'd be way to funny.
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"We need to get out of here"
I think its the room. I reckon Glyph slipped in there to spy on them (which is probably enough to get his eyes cut out) but came under the enchantment of the room as well. Bern has the same question marks he had.
I'm still trying to work out if Bern is really snapped out of it. She had a startled look on her face in the last panel, so I think so, but she might still be a bit dazed and confused.
2 pages left of bed and breakfast. So much for my prediction that Maytag would take Glyph's eyes out with a dagger *lol*
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... What's that thing in the last panel of page 28? A plant? It's driving me crazy haha
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pretty sure it's a plant of some sort.
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Hm, a pleasant surprise to see it updated already. :D
Go May!
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mmm... very nice indeed... still, where's moss and the twins in all of this? I can't imagine they're innocent.
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I cast Lvl. 3 Eroticism.
//there was an extra page, Eversist.
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May has some right hook ;D
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Good, May. <3
I just have to say, for the sake of constructive criticism, that May's leg looks -very- odd in the first panel. It looks almost as if her stomach is somehow hanging over her leg, when it should be the flesh of her leg covering her belly. ...Do I make any sense?
Yeah, that's actually one of the first things I noticed. It's alright though, the rest of the page makes up for it.
Can't wait to see what happens next!
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I cast Lvl. 3 Eroticism.
YAY! So do I turn into a Beautiful Woman now?
bloodninja: Baby, I been havin a tough night so treat me nice aight?
BritneySpears14: Aight.
bloodninja: Slip out of those pants baby, yeah.
BritneySpears14: I slip out of my pants, just for you, bloodninja.
bloodninja: Oh yeah, aight. Aight, I put on my robe and wizard hat.
BritneySpears14: Oh, I like to play dress up.
bloodninja: Me too baby.
BritneySpears14: I kiss you softly on your chest.
bloodninja: I cast Lvl 3 Eroticism. You turn into a real beautiful woman.
BritneySpears14: Hey...
bloodninja: I meditate to regain my mana, before casting Lvl 8 Penis of the Infinite.
BritneySpears14: Funny I still don't see it.
bloodninja: I spend my mana reserves to cast Mighty of the Beyondness.
BritneySpears14: You are the worst cyber partner ever. This is ridiculous.
bloodninja: Don't **** with me biznitch, I'm the mightiest sorcerer of the lands.
bloodninja: I steal yo soul and cast Lightning Lvl 1,000,000 Your body explodes into a fine bloody mist, because you are only a Lvl 2 Druid.
BritneySpears14: Don't ever message me again you piece.
bloodninja: Robots are trying to drill my brain but my lightning shield inflicts DOA attack, leaving the robots as flaming piles of metal.
bloodninja: King Arthur congratulates me for destroying Dr. Robotnik's evil army of Robot Socialist Republics. The cold war ends. Reagan steals my accomplishments and makes like it was cause of him.
bloodninja: You still there baby? I think it's getting hard now.
bloodninja: Baby?
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Mm, I'd be ok with you as a real beautiful woman, Charles ;P
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LATEST PAGE: wow! Still not sure what to make of all this. I'm half presuming that either Glyph is responsible for this, or thats not him in the water but someone else from the castle and they've just activated something behind that curtain.
Heh, I was wondering if they'd stop to get dressed but looks like the both of them are going to be prancing around naked for quite some time. Hell, it wouldn't surprise me if Maytag just stepped out into a 10 story drop and she has to pull the Angel's Breath out.
LAST PAGE OF THE CHAPTER NEXT!
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Pulling it out while still naked.
Man, she hides that dbag well. ;P
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Is it wrong that I'm trying to spot the birthmark Maytag has on her inner thigh? *lol*
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Brion: "Well, the readers kind of got off on the wrong foot with Glyph over the whole X-ray specs thing. In for a penny..." *makes Glyph as blatantly unlikable as possible*
Seriously, the more he does anything the angrier I get. It's not even justified anymore. He could just be standing there and it would make me mad. I think it might just be me, though. XD
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Glyph scares me.
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"Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely."
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Damn,Glyph looks like he really enjoys it,he rather didn't think that someone could brake his spell so easily.
Eh,can't wait for next page,but it seems Glyph made some more arrangments aside enchanted water,or he knows what happens next.
Don't tell me that May and Bern will bump now into Crest,Suspiria or maybe that whole cast of freaks on making out session ;)
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Damn, didn't think this page would be here so soon.
I really hope the next one comes just as soon.
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I'm surprised no one has said anything about Glyph's eyes.
Normal Glyph's eyes:
(http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w306/princess_of_zeal/1A.jpg)
More normal Glyph's eyes:
(http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w306/princess_of_zeal/1B.jpg)
Glyph eyes now:
(http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w306/princess_of_zeal/2-1.jpg)
Twin's eyes:
(http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w306/princess_of_zeal/3.jpg)
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Holy crap....I didn't think about that.
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I can't say I placed what was up with his face, but I did think something was odd with it.
peace,
CR
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Hmm. Straight into darkness.
Magical darkness?
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"Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely."
Thought it was:"Aboslute power corrupts absolutely" ? or have I been missing out part of the quote for so long? ??? ???
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Very attentive of you, Princess!
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Aww. He almost looks cute in that first picture.
Maybe that explains his feminine figure and hidden/nonexistant genitals....
Or maybe it's the real Glyph and he's just a total douchebag.
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glyph is like one of those lame guys who need to get girls drunk to have sex lol
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You know, I had been wondering for a while if Glyph is really one of those twins. I didn't really realize he shares the same eyes as them until now, though!
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I'm surprised no one has said anything about Glyph's eyes.
Normal Glyph's eyes:
(http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w306/princess_of_zeal/1A.jpg)
More normal Glyph's eyes:
(http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w306/princess_of_zeal/1B.jpg)
Glyph eyes now:
(http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w306/princess_of_zeal/2-1.jpg)
Twin's eyes:
(http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w306/princess_of_zeal/3.jpg)
I noticed that too :)
Btw, some time ago (before my account was delted - dunno why - probably didnt use it for too long) on ask Maytag a question I asked a question: Who would win in a duel : Kin or Bern. Well, since Brion didnt want to enlighten us with answer I thought about it and I know it now! Bern would wait for Kin to attack her, and since Kin was very well fencer he would see that bern is too well prepered for the atack and was too smart to atack her. So noone of them would dare to atack the other. Result? Draw :D Am I right Brion? :)
Ur (not very active on forum, but loyal) fan
Alc
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Aw, party's over guys :(
Why's Glyph smiling like that?
Come to think of it... Glyph got nude BEFORE got into the water and got 'enchanted'... so whether it's really him or not, I think it's safe to say he knew what would happen when he did.. hmm..
And I think those eyes look a LOT more like the sisters' eyes than they do Glyphs eyes. *shrug*
Bern would wait for Kin to attack her, and since Kin was very well fencer he would see that bern is too well prepered for the atack and was too smart to atack her. So noone of them would dare to atack the other. Result? Draw Cheesy Am I right Brion? Smiley
Huh, I don't know, for some reason I get the impression that Kin would do something like scream "OMG You can't beat me I REFUSE TO BE BEATEN!!!" then charge straight at Bern and promptly get his ass handed to him... I don't know why, it's just this feeling I get.
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glyph is like one of those lame guys who need to get girls drunk to have sex lol
^also known as rape...
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glyph is like one of those lame guys who need to get girls drunk to have sex lol
^also known as rape...
It's only rape if she's passed out. :P
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"Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely."
Thought it was:"Aboslute power corrupts absolutely" ? or have I been missing out part of the quote for so long? ??? ???
I've always heard it with the first part in it.
*resisting urge to tear into on C.D.S.M. because he was joking*
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*resisting urge to tear into on C.D.S.M. because he was joking*
You have the urge to tear into me because I was joking?
Well then, perhaps I shall be serious!
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Well, as was speculated, magic was indeed involved. Now, from the way Maytag looks, it's not over yet for them both, and they're in the nude... :P
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WTFzors. this shit is getting out of control. I'm glad that Maytag saved Bernedette, but WTF IS GOING ON HERE, MAN! ??? :o ??? :o
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He's definitely a shapeshifter twin.
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Glyph's wacky eyes.
Mind = Blown. That is fantastic.
May's going to run into the other twin, I bet.
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May's going to run into the other twin, I bet.
Maybe they run into the real Glyph?
I really didn't think that was really Glyph to begin with - I thought it was Moss somehow, but the twins' eyes? good catch. Still don't know how Moss is involved, but he has to be somewhere...
Very impressed by the update promptness this week
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Heh,they bump into real Glyph who is going back from kitchen eating a sandwich to his room :D
And then big WTF on both parties ^^
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HAHA! I like that. and he's just innocently eating a sandwich, minding his own business as he walks to his room when these two naked girls smash right into him and end the chapter with Glyph caught in a pile of naked Maytag and Bern... EPIC! *lol*
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10$ says that glyph is tied up in a closet somewhere
....getting played with by danzig
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I want shapshifting twins! :(
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ok by the looks of it it's one of the shape shifting twins and they bump into Glyph on the way out carrying a plate of Sarnies but the big question is.......................whats the filling? one thing I can tell you it wont be Cheese and Jam lol
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glyph is like one of those lame guys who need to get girls drunk to have sex lol
^also known as rape...
It's only rape if she's passed out. :P
I hope you realise that it is rape whenever the woman's ability to effectively say no is taken away. The means by which that is achieved do not matter (but may count as extenuating circumstances as the man (or woman) is not responsible for the impaired state).
Eri
(* of course this is also limited by the way the jurisdiction in which the alleged rape took place consider that the woman had a right to say no. e.g. in many parts of the world it is still a given that a married woman has no right to refuse her husband).
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I hope you realise that it is rape whenever the woman's ability to effectively say no is taken away. The means by which that is achieved do not matter (but may count as extenuating circumstances as the man (or woman) is not responsible for the impaired state).
Eri
(* of course this is also limited by the way the jurisdiction in which the alleged rape took place consider that the woman had a right to say no. e.g. in many parts of the world it is still a given that a married woman has no right to refuse her husband).
You cannot tell me that simply because a woman is inebriated it's automatically rape if she has sex.
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You cannot tell me that simply because a woman is inebriated it's automatically rape if she has sex.
Some countries have tried to make it so:
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23379673-details/It%27s+rape+if+the+woman+is+drunk,+according+to+new+law/article.do
Men who have sex with drunken women will be at risk of being convicted of rape under new laws to be considered by ministers.
I have no idea if that law was finally passed or not (and no idea how to check either) but I remember it caused a bit of a stir back when the news came out.
I don't think the law contemplated being dunked in a magical sex-enchanted pool either... the fools!!
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Some countries have tried to make it so:
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23379673-details/It%27s+rape+if+the+woman+is+drunk,+according+to+new+law/article.do
Men who have sex with drunken women will be at risk of being convicted of rape under new laws to be considered by ministers.
I have no idea if that law was finally passed or not (and no idea how to check either) but I remember it caused a bit of a stir back when the news came out.
I don't think the law contemplated being dunked in a magical sex-enchanted pool either... the fools!!
That would be completely ridiculous. I mean, if she's drunk and passed out, yeah, not cool, if you spiked her drink with a conspiracy to get her drunk and willing, yeah, not cool, but if she's willingly downing beers and then you have sex with her and she wants it...then I really don't see how that would be a problem.
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Maybe they're just trying to save people from incredibly bad and embarassing sex, which is often the result when alcohol is involved? Y'know, kinda like drunk'n'driving.
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EXCELLENT COLOURING WORK SAVAGE SPARROW!
Just in time for the end of the chapter too.
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Maybe they're just trying to save people from incredibly bad and embarassing sex, which is often the result when alcohol is involved? Y'know, kinda like drunk'n'driving.
Hey, they knew the risks when the consumed alcohol.
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Maybe they're just trying to save people from incredibly bad and embarassing sex, which is often the result when alcohol is involved? Y'know, kinda like drunk'n'driving.
Hey, they knew the risks when the consumed alcohol.
I agree that some behavior puts you more at risk than others. And it is certainly the case that if you're passed out or just generally incapacitated because you've drunk an ompaloompa's weight in alcohol you might leave yourself open to some bad situations. But I would want the man who shot you in a dark alley to be prosecuted just the same as the one who slipped into your bedroom at night and shot you in your sleep. The act of rape itself is still reprehensible & rapists should be held accountable. Moreover, the statistics show that it's most often not the creepy villainous looking stranger who's most likely to commit that damnable act but the men the victim knows. This advantage gives them openings that wouldn't be allowed to strangers in a heartbeat - and to me at least it's all the more heart wrentching when the person you thought loved & respected you shatters your trust in not just them but the world in general by deciding that if you can't say no (or at least say it without slurring) then it's okay to fuck you. After all, you're buddies/dating/neighbors. That gives them the right to do whatever the fuck they want with your body while you're at your most vulnerable. :(
Oh yeah, I should probably comment on the comic. This being the comic thread and all. Great work Brion! I'm shocked, confused, and totally hungry for more. Please keep it coming. I can't wait to see what's behind that curtain that has May looking so surprised.
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I agree that some behavior puts you more at risk than others. And it is certainly the case that if you're passed out or just generally incapacitated because you've drunk an ompaloompa's weight in alcohol you might leave yourself open to some bad situations. But I would want the man who shot you in a dark alley to be prosecuted just the same as the one who slipped into your bedroom at night and shot you in your sleep. The act of rape itself is still reprehensible & rapists should be held accountable. Moreover, the statistics show that it's most often not the creepy villainous looking stranger who's most likely to commit that damnable act but the men the victim knows. This advantage gives them openings that wouldn't be allowed to strangers in a heartbeat - and to me at least it's all the more heart wrentching when the person you thought loved & respected you shatters your trust in not just them but the world in general by deciding that if you can't say no (or at least say it without slurring) then it's okay to fuck you. After all, you're buddies/dating/neighbors. That gives them the right to do whatever the fuck they want with your body while you're at your most vulnerable. :(
Yeah, but there's a difference between minding your own business and getting accosted, and deliberately and willingly giving up your sense of judgment and then making a bad decision that you regret when sober.
Besides, what if the man is drunk? Does that mean you raped him if you have sex? If you're both drunk, did you rape each other?
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Yeah, but there's a difference between minding your own business and getting accosted, and deliberately and willingly giving up your sense of judgment and then making a bad decision that you regret when sober.
Besides, what if the man is drunk? Does that mean you raped him if you have sex? If you're both drunk, did you rape each other?
But the thing about rape is that it's NOT your decision. Having too many beers? Totally your decision. Having the cute frat guy you were flirting with sneak you into his room & then rape you & possibly invite his buddies to join in - not something your drinking absolves him (and/or them) of. Even if he threw back a few his impaired judgment does not excuse him from committing a crime. As for a gender reversal yes, I would not bat an eye at a woman being charged of rape although the logistics of it would be far against her (one of the ironies of consuming large quantities of alcohol is that it makes it very difficult for even a guy who 'wants to' perform be able to) compared to the traditional scenario. As for two drunk people having sex with each other, well, if neither one of them wanted to have sex with the other person & both were so wasted that they were unconscious and/or physically unable to escape the scenario due to the motor f!#$king up effects of excessive alcohol, well, I just don't see how sex could possibly have happened between them in the first place, lol. I don't mean to say that drunken one night stands are non-consensual sex. A woman going to a bar to seek a sexual encounter, using alcohol to help her ease into the situation & then feeling awkward about it in the morning is not rape. I'm sure proponents of stricter rape laws don't mean for what was previously called "embarrassing sex" to be considered rape. But if the only reason you got to have sex with that girl was because you bought her drink after drink until she couldn't even walk out of the bar w/out help & then you decided to have sex with her while she was passed out then I'm sorry but I think that's not only a terrible breach of trust but a crime. Having sex with unconscious person is just not cool. I would no more condone it for the coma victim than the petite blond who doesn't know it's one tequila, two tequila, three tequila shots & then floor.
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Maybe they're just trying to save people from incredibly bad and embarassing sex, which is often the result when alcohol is involved? Y'know, kinda like drunk'n'driving.
Hey, they knew the risks when the consumed alcohol.
Alcahol is the number 1 reason why our species propagates so fast. If it wearnt for drinking many people would never get laid. This is a bad idea.
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But the thing about rape is that it's NOT your decision.
And yet, if you are drunk, it still is your choice. Maybe a different choice than if you were sober, but that was your fault.
Having too many beers? Totally your decision. Having the cute frat guy you were flirting with sneak you into his room & then rape you & possibly invite his buddies to join in - not something your drinking absolves him (and/or them) of.
OR, getting drunk and saying to said frat boy, "Hey, let's go fuck". And he's like, "Okay." Is that rape then?
Even if he threw back a few his impaired judgment does not excuse him from committing a crime.
No, but if a drunk girl says “Come get some” you can’t really fault him for going for it.
As for two drunk people having sex with each other, well, if neither one of them wanted to have sex with the other person & both were so wasted that they were unconscious and/or physically unable to escape the scenario due to the motor f!#$king up effects of excessive alcohol, well, I just don't see how sex could possibly have happened between them in the first place, lol. I don't mean to say that drunken one night stands are non-consensual sex. A woman going to a bar to seek a sexual encounter, using alcohol to help her ease into the situation & then feeling awkward about it in the morning is not rape.
Yeah, that’s exactly what I’m talking about here. Not about some guy sneaking into your dorm and raping you while you are passed out. Which is exactly what I said in the first place.
I'm sure proponents of stricter rape laws don't mean for what was previously called "embarrassing sex" to be considered rape. But if the only reason you got to have sex with that girl was because you bought her drink after drink until she couldn't even walk out of the bar w/out help & then you decided to have sex with her while she was passed out then I'm sorry but I think that's not only a terrible breach of trust but a crime. Having sex with unconscious person is just not cool. I would no more condone it for the coma victim than the petite blond who doesn't know it's one tequila, two tequila, three tequila shots & then floor.
But if she’s not passed out and she invites you to it, I still say its fine. Unless you want to assign some ultra-responsibility to guys to estimate whether or not a girl would really say the same thing if she was sober.
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The discussion about rape / alcohol should be moved to another thread. Thank you.
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agree wi Brion on this enough of this sort of thing please in this thread.
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MOVED Drunken Rape/Consensual Sex discussion HERE (http://www.flipsidecomics.com/forum/index.php?topic=215)
The funny thing is, I was writing up that post in response to CDSM's before Brion had responded. Gotta love good timing, but I think it was at around this point the conversation has really seperated it's self from the current events and became it's own topic for further discussion elsewhere.
Soooo.... Who loves Flipside? *lol*
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How do the know May as Jester Girl? Well, maybe Moss told them.
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Nice colouring on the cover! Although I now think this x300%:
(http://www.youthink.com/quiz_images/quiz678outcome7.jpg)
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Nice colouring on the cover! Although I now think this x300%:
(http://www.youthink.com/quiz_images/quiz678outcome7.jpg)
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Sooo, how 'bout them evil twins, eh? Anybody got any guesses why they, um, captured May and Bern?
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Well that was completely unexpected. May and Bern trapped in a scroll, no clothes, no weapons. Just what does one do to pass the time while trapped in a scroll? And being rolled up like that, does it make your hair curly? I guess Bern will be alright, since she's already kinda flat...
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Nice colouring on the cover! Although I now think this x300%:
(http://www.youthink.com/quiz_images/quiz678outcome7.jpg)
Nice catch! Him and Pygar from Barbarella were the inspiration for the character, so I colored him to match ^^ And thanks guys!!
--sparrow
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Sooo, how 'bout them evil twins, eh? Anybody got any guesses why they, um, captured May and Bern?
To perform terrible acts of experimentation of course!
Maytag could stand to lose a leg while she's at it.
*points at lame pun*
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New page: AUUUUGHHHH!
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Well that was completely unexpected. May and Bern trapped in a scroll, no clothes, no weapons. Just what does one do to pass the time while trapped in a scroll? And being rolled up like that, does it make your hair curly? I guess Bern will be alright, since she's already kinda flat...
A few things I figured (or at least think I've figured) so far after reading chapter 21, page 30:
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1. Those scrolls have been shown at least 3 times in a past as a teleportation method. So it's most likely the case this time as well.
Meaning: they aren't locked literally inside a scroll, but rather been transported to someplace else, most likely behind bars.
2. Having no weapons is only in Bern's case. Maytag have her dimensional bag with her at all times, meaning an ample supply of daggers, grenades and various merchandise which should be useful for escaping a conventional prison cell.
3. The question about who the culprit is:
- As was mentioned previously in this thread (before the rape&alcohol debate) glyph's eyes seems to be painted differently.
- Moreover, glyph doesn't know (as far as we can tell) those two new and mysterious "associates" of Moss, so if one of them was setting the portal behind the door - I assume that the other one disguised herself as glyph, rather than it being the actual glyph (can't be 100% on this, but I'm pretty positive).
4. Why and for what would they kidnap them?
- Mentioned earlier on the conversation of Moss with his "associates": "the things you do are a lot worse than spying... I never do anything to anyone that I haven't already done to myself!". Too cryptic to tell for the time being, but relatively speaking it could be worse.
- She might be what they are looking for? someone who can resist spells (enchantments in particular)?
- Moss's involvement is obvious. they couldn't have known Maytag as a Jester without his knowledge.
- Moss's agenda is reaching the 4th level of sorcery and one can assume he's still seeking it with his associates.
- Moss already mentioned he's going to visit/help his uncle back in book 0. It would be interesting to know what has transpired since then and how he got to know those two, maybe there is a remote connection to why they are seeking Maytag or her unique abilities.
5. Weird trap. Rape attempt or capture attempt?
They weren't sure that Maytag would resist the enchantment. So what they were really trying to achieve here?
If she resisted, she would get captured. if she did not, they would - well, have sex? seems they have unreasonable motives.
I suppose a trap like setting a portal on the curtained doorway would work only if your target is in a rush, but there SHOULD be better ways to scare your target than try to rape it... At least imo :)
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I don't understand why the twin would have needed to disguise herself as Glyph to do this.
I mean what possible point is there to being Glyph in the whole scheme? She could have just as easily been herself and the same thing would have happened.
Also, him knowing to call May "jester girl" points me towards thinking that this IS in fact the real Glyph and that he's been a part of this all along. Maybe in cahoots with the twins or maybe in cahoots with the entire inn staff (remember how he defended the inn as not being so weird and perfectly OK for them to sleep in it! aha!).
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I don't understand why the twin would have needed to disguise herself as Glyph to do this.
I mean what possible point is there to being Glyph in the whole scheme? She could have just as easily been herself and the same thing would have happened.
Also, him knowing to call May "jester girl" points me towards thinking that this IS in fact the real Glyph and that he's been a part of this all along. Maybe in cahoots with the twins or maybe in cahoots with the entire inn staff (remember how he defended the inn as not being so weird and perfectly OK for them to sleep in it! aha!).
Well, I don't find any errors in your logic. It still could be the real glyph.
However, I seem to be carried away by the conspiracy theory about glyph:
I'm surprised no one has said anything about Glyph's eyes.
Normal Glyph's eyes:
(http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w306/princess_of_zeal/1A.jpg)
More normal Glyph's eyes:
(http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w306/princess_of_zeal/1B.jpg)
Glyph eyes now:
(http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w306/princess_of_zeal/2-1.jpg)
Twin's eyes:
(http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w306/princess_of_zeal/3.jpg)
Another justification:
In the last panel, "Glyph" said: "That jester girl, Maytag was her name...? she resisted..." implying that he can barely remember her name.
Notice that in the previous chapter Nagelring with the truth spell, he had plenty opportunities to catch her name as she and Bern were busy confessing their love for each other over and over again :P So I really doubt that he's not even sure about her name at this point and knows her more as a Jester than as Maytag.
If this is indeed the real glyph - it must mean he's not just blond, but also really really dumb. Seems he can't remember a girl's name, only how she looks when naked.
I still think it's a disguised twin. Not sure about the reasoning behind looking like glyph. Maybe for framing him / turning Bern&May against their only source for fast transportation to Eschellon / turning them against the Phalanx. It's not impossible that the twins and/or Moss are somewhat opposed to the Phalanx/Conclave.
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oki!
I this easily leads to the fact that it is not Glyph, but rather the other twin.
However, it can also mean that Moss isn't in league with them, as he didn't tell them her name / about her being a jester.
Keep up the good work Brion! I'm impatiently waiting to see the next page :)
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Oooh, Glyph's a bad boy.
Now, I don't see why it can't be Glyph. We don't know him very well, he did just come in. Not to mention...it was his idea to come to the Bed and Breakfast!
...But then I looked down and saw Princess Zeal's post. You're RIGHT! Good eye. >3 It must be! Those seductresses!
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...But then I looked down and saw Princess Zeal's post. You're RIGHT! Good eye. >3 It must be! Those seductresses!
Yeah, but why?? Why did she need to be Glyph? Looking like Glyph accomplished nothing! She could have been anyone (short of Moss maybe) and had the exact same thing happen.
In fact it's better because it's MORE likely that they would run away from a stranger than from someone they know (and actually now that I mention it... why DID Maytag run from Glyph? She knows him... she should have been like "Hey Glyph WTF man, stop" or something).
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...But then I looked down and saw Princess Zeal's post. You're RIGHT! Good eye. >3 It must be! Those seductresses!
Yeah, but why?? Why did she need to be Glyph? Looking like Glyph accomplished nothing! She could have been anyone (short of Moss maybe) and had the exact same thing happen. In fact it's better because it's MORE likely that they would run away from a stranger than from someone they know
That is indeed an interesting question...
my ideas:
- She may have believed it is needed to be a male rather than female to scare them away.
- She may have wanted to frame Glyph (as to sever the link between them and the Phalanx, which is most likely opposed to Moss/Twins). Note that they WANT something from Maytag and think she might be useful.
- The fact that they wanted to kidnap them and think that having spell resistance raises their worth, could lead to their involvement with the Thin Man and/or Thin Man like experiments on girls. That is still a bit a far shot at the time being.
(and actually now that I mention it... why DID Maytag run from Glyph? She knows him... she should have been like "Hey Glyph WTF man, stop" or something).
He clearly meant war at that point. Maytag isn't the type to say "hey stop!" to someone who tries to rape/murder Bern. She would either throw her daggers at him, or thinking that she is in a disadvantage would try to escape.
Maytag knew at that point that glyph (she only thinks it's glyph though) is a powerful sorcerer and went far enough as in to cast spells on them. Saying "hey wtf stop" would just be a waste of time when someone attacks you. May proved in the past that she knows her way around combat/immediate-threat situations and wouldn't use any unnecessary actions which could have harsh reprecautions on someone as important to her as Bernadette.
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- She may have wanted to frame Glyph (as to sever the link between them and the Phalanx, which is most likely opposed to Moss/Twins). Note that they WANT something from Maytag and think she might be useful.
- The fact that they wanted to kidnap them and think that having spell resistance raises their worth, could lead to their involvement with the Thin Man and/or Thin Man like experiments on girls. That is still a bit a far shot at the time being.
Ah, I had not considered either of these... very interesting...
He clearly meant war at that point. Maytag isn't the type to say "hey stop!" to someone who tries to rape/murder Bern. She would either throw her daggers at him, or thinking that she is in a disadvantage would try to escape.
Well, he clearly meant war because -we- saw him step into the water with the all the intention, but she didn't see that... I was assuming she'd think he was also just under a spell. But on the other hand it is logical to conclude that if Bern is under a spell and making out with Glyph, that it was Glyph who cast the spell in the first place, yes (especially after the cart incident).
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So Maytag and Bernedette are captured!
Maybe this is Crest and Suspira's chance to actually, I don't know... do something! :D
YAY! EXTRAINIOUS SUPPORTING CAST! ;) :P :D
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@RoninAngel: That could be good. Although I suspect it will focus on Maytag and her ability to resist mind-altering spells. There was that theory about enchantments on the mind, deteriorating due to the mind's link to magick, so maybe Maytag's mind is more developed in this ability or there's more to it that she's stumbled upon or been blessed with.
Alternatively, she could simply be more skilled simply because of a greater familiarity with mind-altering magicks (her own aphrodisiac potions, etc).
If we do focus on Suspira and Crest then I guess Suspira should be fairly well recovered after that rest, so I can't imagine she'd be too drained to pull some powerful magicks. I still haven't seen any magick from the twins. The possession of Glyph is done with potion (probably added to his sandwiches) while the portal map could easily be something enchanted. *meh* It wouldn't surprise me if Crest and Suspira simply sleep through this whole event *LOL*
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My answer would have been pretty close to what Valenthesial said. About framing Glyph and all. Besides, it was someone they knew and the girls probably assumed Crest didn't look like the kind of guy to do that. They're evil twins, I'm sure they can smell confidence...and fear. And sandwiches.
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Intermission Maytag has her left arm! YAY! *lol*
Go Crest! You can do it boyo!
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LOL! That Crest thing is HILARIOUS :D
Even funnier cause I can totally picture "real" Crest thinking and doing something like that in the real comic.
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It wouldn't surprise me if Crest and Suspira simply sleep through this whole event *LOL*
No..! I'd really like Suspiria to come into the spotlight again in this next cap... I think she's an awesome character for how "so flawed yet with potential" she is.
Crest, I can't see doing anything but providing a "You go girl!" squad to Suspi so, either way.
If this is in fact a disguised twin posing as Glyph, then it would be cool to see a Glyph/Suspiria detective-duo sort of thing.
And of course Moss could very well decide to help May from their history together, which would also be cool... Moss is another Suspiria-like character who is great to watch.
The only thing I'm -not- hoping for is "yet another Maytag sits down and explains how amazingly free-thinking and liberal minded she is" sequence...
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No..! I'd really like Suspiria to come into the spotlight again in this next cap... I think she's an awesome character for how "so flawed yet with potential" she is.
Crest, I can't see doing anything but providing a "You go girl!" squad to Suspi so, either way.
She's my favorite char :P
Well, to be honest, she is rather unstable emotionally at the moment. You might be forgetting that not much time has passed since Kin got killed. Crest might be insecure, but he seems sensible enough, unlike a character I truly hate known as "Glyph".
I guess I would bet exactly on the Crest being the "You go girl!" squad to Inverness and those two actually TRYING to do something, Glyph too uncaring to bother (or maybe trying to hit on the Twins, as he seems to be doing on any female character so far),
while the end result ofc will be Maytag saving the day, not anyone else :D
But hey, that's how it should be! Maytag seemed to be capable of doing things that level 3 sorcerers are barely achieve, with just her strength of personality.
I hoping we can get more of Suspiria + advancement on the mainplot (aka what the heck Mr. thin man is up to? trying to make the perfect killing machine in order to do what?).
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Do you think the evil twins might be bisexual? It's of no importance, but I just got that vibe from them. And I think that the seduction might have just been a ploy to capture Bernadette and Maytag, with no rape intended or forthcoming. Overall, good chapter, but I'd like to see more battle sequences in the next one :).
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Suspiria, why are you asking Crest what the hosts are like? He's just as much of a stranger as you are. ???
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Suspiria, why are you asking Crest what the hosts are like? He's just as much of a stranger as you are. ???
Crest already met the hosts, Suspiria not. She was asleep at that time.
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Those scrolls have been shown at least 3 times in a past as a teleportation method. So it's most likely the case this time as well.
Meaning: they aren't locked literally inside a scroll, but rather been transported to someplace else, most likely behind bars.
Now you're thinking with portals!
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After reading the last couple of pages I can see why Maytag thought Crest reminded her a little of herself. He has a bit of the same attitude doesn't he? Except as far as I can see, he doesn't have the joker suit or the infinite bag of magic tricks to back it up. It's nice Crest character development in all, I'm starting to actually like him as his own character rather than think of him as "the new Regina."
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I don't want to double someone else's post, but do we know that Suspi says "Let's check the neck one..."?
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Ditto.
EDIT: Drat! My suspicions were right and I did post in the wrong thread. Oh well, you probably get the point anyway.
*Trudges off to bed slightly embarrassed*